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Is this a real alien picture? And what about this Roswell EBE footage?

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posted on Nov, 20 2010 @ 11:35 AM
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You might find some interesting information about the 'alien' images and the April Fools' Jokes of 1950 here.
Even the name of the boy. (Peter Scheffler son of the photographer) who acted as the alien between two american soldiers. Unfortunately the pdf-files aren't available anymore.

The above said goes for this image

I haven't got the time to translate the whole page but I think the google translation is quite okay.




posted on Nov, 20 2010 @ 11:57 AM
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I agree with you and am providing a link to some other research that confirms this.
forgetomori.com...



posted on Nov, 20 2010 @ 12:54 PM
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I have been thinking all sorts of stuff this morning... cable guy woke me up too early. all these are just ideas and I want to remind anyone who reads this of that by the insertion of question marks because I am basically talking off the top of my head.

Are the human looking aliens ascendants of ours or descendants?... making them time travelers?... and this would explain why they try to inform but are reluctant to tamper with events? the method of their intervention is on a spiritual informative scale but they try to handle scenarios lightly and carefully?

Or maybe they are precognitive mystics who foresee a future and finesse the reality to try to make us comfortable in light of the truth?

Greys... perhaps one of the oldest intelligent life forms? Creating other races, but from very distant worlds, tinkering with the possibilities of life on earth/other worlds and setting all sorts of things into motion? despite being an evolved race and there being precognition among them, there is still somewhat of a bit of diversity about what to do concerning future events? perhaps on a more intuitive scale but not unlike mankind there is some regression or issues that come up when handling problems? some life forming experiments go better than others?... for example, the dinosaurs.

what we are about to experience could be war or could be a blending of worlds? There are some that have bridged the gap between those worlds and despite fear it is critical that we form a treaty with the greys?... and perhaps the future of every race set into motion by the greys will depend on it or they will start falling like dominoes and much of the life in the universe will spiral into chaos and the celestial will behind these races will have to start all over?

and the very complicated long drawn out story behind all of this is so complex this gives rise to all the confusion about abductions and spiritual attacks and misunderstood messages and contrasting opinions?


i just realized this is starting to sound a lot like a star wars movie.


in any case, it seems the tide is turning on a spiritual level and this is why we keep hearing that this is most important from some.

but back to the topic at hand. I believe a lot of things have happened but I believe roswell definitely happened.
I believe it was a critical event... especially for the US.

Ok... I'm going back to bed.

I just felt like saying that.



posted on Nov, 20 2010 @ 01:00 PM
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Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by darkest4
I'm just a "disinfo agent" or a "debunker". /yawn


Most likely


The thing I find enlightening about the first photo, whether or not it is real or fake, is watching that 'debunking process in action

So here we have a previous thread on this image...

Picture of an Alien
www.abovetopsecret.com...

A collection of 'debunkers'... each line is a separate member and the thread is only 4 pages

ATS 'debunking' at it's finest




I remember reading in a book that this was a hoax photo made for Halloween. It said the supposed 'alien' is really a shaved monkey with a mask. I'll have to find the book again for the direct quote...

I thought this was debunked about 15 years ago as a shaven monkey...

I heard that it was a dwarf too. I heard that it was some type of circus sideshow or something (can't really rememba right now!)...

i remember hearing that it is just a shaved monkey used in an apirl fools day prank. But I cant help but wonder about the flaps of skin in the armpit area. has anyone heard the backstory to the photo?...

ive seen this before in a book it was an aprils fool joke and its some type of dummy lol u all thought this was real...

That picture has been around for years and as others continues to pop up. It's of such poor quality and looks so badly doctored without analysis. Rands points are very sound, but it's easier to sweep rational analysis for wishful thinking...

If you think that picture is "real," you are wanting to believe far too much...

For my two cents I believe it is a fake. Too many things wrong with the picture to be authentic. I also believe there is no such thing as an "alien" but merely Satan's "helpers" (demons) who are becoming more and more visible the closer we get to the end of the world...

that pic has been proven fake. I read that in a book that I have. they say some doctors done some examining on it and it was a big hoax...

Notice the people around him, the women and the two men in thick trench coats holding him up. This is Germany during WWII, the Germans were known for "steamming" jewish people to shrink them. Experiments were made such as injecting cement and other chemicals. Shrinking was one big experiment. It's a sad photo of human history....

EDIT: haha ... went back and read the comments about it being debunked already


NICE JOB ATS
That's the ole debunker spirit in action...

Now as to the origin of the photo and story itself...


For example, the picture itself appears (with a brief discussion) in Margaret Sachs "UFO Encylopedia at page 75, which mentions that the article relating to the photograph appeared in a Cologne newspaper published around the 1950s.
www.abovetopsecret.com...



1949, New Mexico. Source and story unknown, but probably authentic. It can not be excluded the small being that can be seen is not of extraterrestrial origin.
thebiggestsecretpict.online.fr...



A copy of this photograph appears in UFO documents released by the FBI .One resident of Winchester, Virginia forwarded a copy of the photograph to the FBI in 1967 and a response dated 3 October 1967 sent in the name of J Edgar Hoover stated "I can assure you the photograph you mentioned does not represent employees of this Bureau" (FBI., 1967). The same letter also states that "the investigation of Unidentified Flying Objects is not and never has been a matter that is within the investigative jurisdiction of the FBI" - a statement that was rather misleading given the FBI's prior involvement in investigating UFO reports which has been demonstrated by other documents released by the FBI.
www.isaackoi.com...




“Above, one of the most impressive photos of an alleged extraterrestrial creature recovered from crashed UFOs. For many years it was thought the photo originated from a crash in the USA, but recently it was found it was captured in Germany, shortly before the Second World War. The officers who hold the being are high-ranking members of the SS” [Brazilian UFO mag, n.18, p.18, dec 1991]



“The June 1950 Talk of the Times reproduced a pair of photos received from Cologne, Germany, one of which is a retouched picture of Dr. E.W. Kay’s model saucer that appeared in the press on January 11, 1950. The other is of two agents holding up a small humanoid with proportions somewhat like a small monkey. The caption reads, “As one silver capsule broke: the first Mars man was captured! Eyewitness G-man, McKenerich, from Phoenix (Arizona), reports ‘I was astounded by the importance of this great moment. For the first time I was seeing a being from another world. At the same time I was equally amazed by the desperation of this Aluminum Man. His body was covered with a shiny metal foil.’ The observatory in Phoenix, Arizona, presumes that this is for protection from cosmic rays.””
magonia.haaan.com...



Putting together information from various sources, this photograph appears to have been:

(1) published in the German newspaper Neue Illustrierte (on page 3 of the 1 April 1950 edition, with the title "Der Mars-Mensch").
(2) admitted to have been a hoax / joke just a few days later. This admission has very rarely been mentioned in discussions of the photograph online or in print.

The history of the publication of this photograph in UFO books and publications tells a rather sorry tale. Some correct information has appeared in a few publications but not been disseminated while, on the other hand, false information in popular books has been repeated.
www.isaackoi.com...



But even funnier is that when the debunkers create a false image to prove their point... and that image then gets passed around to various websites as 'proof' of their theory... how come no one calls them on that?



falchtpram.jpg It's even labeled 'faked pram'



I produced this quick and dirty montage to show how indeed the two men’s hands are aligned, and in a position that suggests they were holding a rigid object. A baby carriage is a very good guess:
forgetomori.com...




Now all the readers will say "Oh yeah I heard that was debunked...it was a pram


So if we get a REAL photo of an alien or UFO, does anyone think it will ever make it to the top through all the BS? Or just get buried with the hoaxes from both sides of the fence?


edit on 20-11-2010 by zorgon because: No WAY do you need to know why


Is a pleasure to read posts so well prepared. Thanks Zorgon. It is no accident that you are one of the top members of this site.



posted on Nov, 20 2010 @ 01:00 PM
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Originally posted by Unknown Soldier
He is obviously desperate to prove you wrong by being neutral about it. He must be a "paid debunker" too, out to cover up this smoking gun evidence.


Heck no... to get a paycheck one has to put in a little more effort. Simple comments like" I say its fake cuz I saw it in a book hoax somewhere" or similar comment (about 50% of posts
) does not qualify as "paid debunker" They are merely opinions based on nothing to support it. Kinda like this one...



Obviously real, a tree monkey alien in a speedo. And to think our tree dwelling counter parts were of earthly origin


Can you prove it's a shaved monkey in a speedo? Looks nothing like a monkey at all and I doubt they had speedos in the 40's. So it would seem that your interpretation of the facts is just as 'valid' as thinking it's a real alien

Oh that was sarcasm? Yeah that always helps getting at the truth



The government doesn't need to put "paid debunkers" on ATS... there are plenty who do it for free



posted on Nov, 20 2010 @ 01:02 PM
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I remember that photo its a very old hoax, as I remember they were holding a baby carriage in the original photo.



posted on Nov, 20 2010 @ 01:10 PM
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Originally posted by fusionhunter
I think its fake because I had a book and that was in the hoaxs section as far I can remember.


Realy? Please give me the ISBN - International Standard Book Number - so then i will check it out.



posted on Nov, 20 2010 @ 01:22 PM
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Originally posted by A boy in a dress
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I'd say they are all fakes. Can't prove it just yet. But then you can't prove that
they are real either.


I think its fake because I had a book and that was in the hoaxs section as far
I can remember.


Well, looks like you managed to gather in a single post some the tricks that always a debunker uses. Did they have a book of techniques to messed up cases? It should be the favorite book of many felows ATSers. This kind of void and recursive rhetoric,never adds anything to the posts and only serve to create confusion on who is really interested in finding out the truth.



posted on Nov, 20 2010 @ 01:29 PM
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Originally posted by InfaRedMan

Originally posted by RUSSO
Sometimes the need to debunk things exceeds all bounds of reasonableness.


That's hilarious! I was just about to say,
Sometimes the need to believe things exceeds all bounds of reasonableness.

IRM :shk:


Im not showing ligths in the sky, neither blured pictures of ufos. When good stuff comes out the need to debunk things exceeds all bounds of reasonableness. Im not a believer, i'm not a debunker. I sit in the middle of this in the pursuit of the the truth. Some people here seems have preconceived ideas, no matter the quality of content.



posted on Nov, 20 2010 @ 01:30 PM
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that photo is proven fake

2nd

OP, i see this video for the first time, whats the story behind Andes Humanoids?




posted on Nov, 20 2010 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by RUSSO
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I'd say they are all fakes. Can't prove it just yet. But then you can't prove that they are real either.


Wow.

I'm not trying to prove anything. You, otherwise, seems to be desperate to prove they dont.

Your argument is redundant and not helpful to the thread.

But thanks anyway.


But he has facts on his side and facts so far state that we don't have any real evidence of alien beings visiting Earth. So even if he says a simple "No, it's fake" it's still an argument which holds true at least untill proven othervise.



posted on Nov, 20 2010 @ 01:41 PM
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Originally posted by anubisone
that photo is proven fake

2nd

OP, i see this video for the first time, whats the story behind Andes Humanoids?



Proven faked? Where is the proof? I did not see a good proof about that yet.

If you saw the videos, readed the description and paid attention, you know the same as me.

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posted on Nov, 20 2010 @ 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by etcorngods
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Then it came to me, the message from GOD was:

The alien is us, "No Brains", "No Guts", "No Balls".

The letters "ET" translate to "US" using the ET Corn Gods language.

See the websites listed in my Profile.

This is GOD playing with us. The word “Person” translates to be: “Pin Head”.



Finally, a direct meme to attack eh?

First of all, the thinly veiled insult is unappreciated.

Second of all, as for the whole matter being like a religion; I presume you mean to say there are zealots among them who are not moved or prompted by logic, I agree. However, the same can be said of politics, sports enthusiast, anthropology, archeology, history, sociology, climatology, economic studies, and many, many, more.topics to which groups of people cling.

I would propose that 'skepticism' could also thus be classed, in which case your words are suspect.

If you don't mind, I would like to proceed to request we gather information, muse at the possibilities, rinse, repeat.

What I found in your response was caustic, and somewhat indicative of the seriousness with which you regard this subject. While I seek to discover whether the records of the main stream media bear out the publication of and categorization of alleged hoaxes, you are free to rail at my "pin-headed" ignorance. But try an do so without intimating that you have any idea who I am, or what I believe.

.... there... I feel a bit better.....

(Notice I did not insult you, call you anything, or disrespect your motives, as I perceive them.)

Have a nice day.



posted on Nov, 20 2010 @ 01:45 PM
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But he has facts on his side and facts so far state that we don't have any real evidence of alien beings visiting Earth. So even if he says a simple "No, it's fake" it's still an argument which holds true at least untill proven othervise.


Facts? What facts?



posted on Nov, 20 2010 @ 01:55 PM
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Originally posted by Rhain
reply to post by hepatoscopy
 


I agree with you and am providing a link to some other research that confirms this.
forgetomori.com...


That's an excellent contribution.

I still find it terribly frustrating trying to track down sources which take the form of a reference to an article that refers to a publication that quoted someone reporting something in a long-defunct newspaper. Things couldn't be more prone to manipulation than that. Great work.... it added information to the discussion about that picture.

I fail to see the connection between the self-confessed German hoaxer and his son and this picture, though. I think it odd that he went to the trouble... and the picture itself doesn't really look anything like the picture I am interested in. And everyone out there with Photoshop needn't bother playing with the imagery, we already know how effective digital manipulation is (which is part of the information problem). But this photograph was made in black and white film stock, at best, or photographers glass at worst. Such image manipulation was not "common" nor "practiced" by any but specialists. Who would create such a hoax and why? Any body getting rich off this picture? Anybody famous for it?

I agree I am inclined to guess that this is a fake.... but I refuse to accept that a guess is a valid substitute for knowledge.



posted on Nov, 20 2010 @ 02:05 PM
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Who would create such a hoax and why? Any body getting rich off this picture? Anybody famous for it?


In that time, I think if you deliberately prepare such a lie you would be arrested or worse.

I see no plausible motivation for this. Unless this was a attempt frighten the enemy. But there would be better to create a lie about a super military weapon, not a picture of an alien.



I agree I am inclined to guess that this is a fake.... but I refuse to accept that a guess is a valid substitute for knowledge.


Me too, but this is my skeptic side talking. On the other hand my believe side tells me: Why?
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posted on Nov, 20 2010 @ 02:29 PM
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wtf! read posts people...

the alien on the stretcher in the first video looks like the same alien in this one. why?
because of the gaping hole in the right leg in both videos.

www.youtube.com...

can anyone explain that?



posted on Nov, 20 2010 @ 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by Maxmars
That's an excellent contribution.
I still find it terribly frustrating trying to track down sources which take the form of a reference to an article that refers to a publication that quoted someone reporting something in a long-defunct newspaper. Things couldn't be more prone to manipulation than that. Great work.... it added information to the discussion about that picture.


Well yeah that is a good addition... but it really "does show that posters shoot from the hip"


www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...





But this photograph was made in black and white film stock, at best, or photographers glass at worst. Such image manipulation was not "common" nor "practiced" by any but specialists. Who would create such a hoax and why? Any body getting rich off this picture? Anybody famous for it?


That is the one key issues in all this on that one image WHY? April Fool's hoax? Perhaps but we still really haven't tracked down the original source of that image in my opinion. It's been published and republished so many times it is now hopelessly buried under confusion.

I too am sure its not an alien, but though the picture was supposedly first released in German in 1950, that images does not say 'German' to me. Those coats are Russian heavy winter trench coats. German spooks were snazzily dressed... just look at any old SS and NAZI photos. Standard issue trench coats for the SS was black leather. Though the shape is the same, the ones in the photo are coarse woolen coats typical of Russia as I showed in an earlier post, not shiny leather like a NAZI coat



Russian heavy trench coat



Now this is just my opinion... but I bet the original source is Russian... like those 'famous' UFO crash pictures. And yes KGB wore fedora's as well






Here is the video clip

alien-ufo-research.com...

Fake too? Seems like a lot of effort to go to... And Roger Moore hosted the full documentary that included this clip ( I have a thread on it..PROJECT ISIS: The KGB's Discovery of The Tomb of The Visitor www.abovetopsecret.com... )

That is my main issue with things...

Even if something real DOES come along... we will NEVER know it because it will get so buried in deliberate obfuscation that only a handful of people will even bother to study it. And soon it is forgotten somewhere in the basement



I agree I am inclined to guess that this is a fake.... but I refuse to accept that a guess is a valid substitute for knowledge.


Agreed... endless posts of guesses really do nothing but fill space

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posted on Nov, 20 2010 @ 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by PyxisVela
Now that the picture is enlarged, in my opinion it's even more clear that it's a fake. It does not sit well or blend into the picture at all.


I was about to write a post similar to yours.

And the mand on the left, looks like he has bend the "aliens" arm 90 degrees...

100% fake!



posted on Nov, 20 2010 @ 02:54 PM
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unfortunately pranks and hoaxes can get people charged under the UCMJ...so highly unlikely that military members would start a hoax...what would the benefit be of a hoax of any kind? all these "alien hoaxes" are tell us is that the government is indeed lying and you peeps are easily lied too because at the same time they are telling us that they dont exist...but are doing alien hoaxes.

you peeps have some weird thought processes.



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