posted on Jul, 1 2004 @ 02:08 AM
I'll try to back up and be diplomatic here.
JT CANNOT be proven. I DO NOT believe in him. However, the 'proofs; against him are still lacking. Here's why.
Though I had originally just focused on the errors of your history arguments, Kano, something can be said about the laser picture debunkment. earlier
today I posted a thread about the theory that the speed of light -- taken for decades as a universal constant -- may in fact not be a constant. The
implication of this is that all the properties of light are not necessarily known. The observable effects of gravity on light, then, cannot be taken
for granted. I am not saying that Einstein is totally wrong -- indeed, JT's story relies on the einsteinian notion that gravity can warp space-time
-- but I AM saying that no living man can be certain about the verifiability of observations regarding gravity and light (in reality, a variety of
astronomical observations have shown that the gravitational effects of stars can make objects beyind them appear to 'shift' position in relation to
...But, I am not a physicist, and my goal is not to debunk your debunking on the basis of science. I am here, as I've said before, to point out why
your historical analysis may be wrong...
So, here we go (again)...
Let's be honest, if, at some point in the future, it becomes apparent that humans can move through space-time by means of artificial singularities,
everyone will have to wonder if JT was legit... though from a divergent universe. At the point where travel via manipulation of spacetime has been
proven once, the JT story will become plausible again (just as stories about the Viking landings ((and those of Irish monks)) became plausible after
thorough retroactive readings of history). I think it's fair to say that once one space-time transport via singularities that have been toyed with
in the manner JT describes occurs, that all skeptics will have to re-evaluate the JT data and story . After all, if the possibility of something has
been proven, then the reality of it having happened is worth looking into,....no, Kano?
On the other hand...
If events happen over the next few years that amount to more than 2% of divergence (which may have been magnified by Titor himself) with JT's
timeline... the skeptics have won. If, for instance, we contact aliens -- or some other big event happens -- then Titor was clearly a hoax. However,
it's important to note that such debunking events must be outside of human control, because Titor's theoretical existence has (if he was real)
affected our timeline. A civil war may have been averted because of his posts -- and reports from contemporary temporal recon units may have led us
to our present situation.
My ultimate analysis is this:
1.The development -- in the near future -- of travel via things like singularities makes Titor's story realistic. If, even years from now, someone
moves *something* in the same way we will have to reconsider Titor and wonder if he was real.
2.The Titor story is so well-written that only events caused by non-human forces can fully debunk it. A colliding asteroid or alien invasion would do
the trick... but the relative strength of the civil war prediction can always be explained away by the '2% divergence' and freedom to change the
future that Titor discussed.
3.Debunking Titor on the basis of historical details or tidbits doesn't make sense. take the Columbia example... JT may only have known that, in the
2000s, that there was a shuttle accident. Ok, so you say his prediction was ISS centered... How can we say that there won't be an ISS-shuttle
accident in the future.... or that 2% divergence doesn't explain this (a piece of falling fuel tank foam equals less than 2% odds in my book)?
4.In the end, JT was probably a hoax, but it has yet to really be disproven. Even the laser light debunkment can be refuted because not everything is
known about gravity and light. The JT story, then, is almost an unprovable and un-debunkable tale.