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reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 02:33 PM by JudgedCover

Originally posted by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet
reply to post by snusfanatic

Thank you! Seems we got off to a weird start here. But hey it's politics! It's like sports. You say one team sucks and the others will speak back at you. I do welcome constructive criticism. Just I would like people to ask questions then try to make me feel that these people want to rule you and then kill you. Come on now! Yes a few were. Pol Pot killed people. But hey many different types of people under different governments killed people. Then why have a government? I say the people should rule and work together. That is where Socialism and Communism comes in for me.

There is only ONE government that Christ believed in. He called it, "The Kingdom". A thorough study of this kingdom will find elements of all the current political systems of man minus the corruption and flaws of each due to that "man" factor.
Think of the story of Jesus debating the Pharisees over the tax issue, "...whose image is on this coin..." His dismissal of his disciples marveling over the architecture (Temple), his silence before Herod and humbleness before Pilate. The perspective Jesus had and His followers in the Acts and Epistles taught and displayed as well as historical accounts of early church history towards human governments resembles NOTHING of the modern-era Evangelical/Catholic political agenda.
The entitlement and powerlust that modern christianity embraces fails immensely to represent what Christ actually taught and His early followers modeled through humble submission and overwhelming charity WITHOUT compromising one single belief even to their deaths.
The false gospel of modern Evangelical/Catholic teaching, (moreso it's application) had caused great destruction to the cause of Christ and is the reason why Athiesm/Agnosticism is surging in the world, today.

reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 02:34 PM by camaro68ss

Originally posted by Gakus
Jesus was in fact a socialist, anyone attempting to argue otherwise is downright full of ignorance. He did nothing but preach for mankind to give and help their fellow man and to share with them as if they were their own kin.

Care to even say otherwise? ROFL

It wasn't "stealing" from one man and giving to another in his eyes, people should WILLINGLY want it to happen and to SHARE, rather than be complete greedy piles of selfish crap hording things they have no need for or "working hard" while climbing over all the backs of other innocents so you could afford a larger TV set? Yea sounds like God's will to me!

None of this stuff was suppose to matter to us, we were suppose to share with our communities and help uplift all those around us for the betterment of mankind, not yourself.

I love watching people attempt to defend their selfish desires and reasons honestly expecting any of us to believe god intended for capitalism, if anything he wants socialism.

Stop thinking like tools.

He was not! he did not force people to to give money to the goverment so the goverment can spread the weath around! you gave to the poor under your own kindness not by goverment force! Goverment force is Socialism, spreading the weath from the hard and smart workers to give to the lazy.

"The only problem with Socialism is you begain to run out of other peoples money"

"Socialism is a man standing in a bucket trying to pull himself up by the handle"

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reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 02:35 PM by Gakus

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by Gakus
Jesus was in fact a socialist, anyone attempting to argue otherwise is downright full of ignorance. He did nothing but preach for mankind to give and help their fellow man and to share with them as if they were their own kin.

Care to even say otherwise? ROFL

Stop thinking like tools.

Can you tell the difference between giving freely and being forced to give? One feels like giving, the other feels like rape.

If you bothered reading my entire post, rather than quoting small sections and nitpicking you'd of realized my overall message.

We shouldn't have to be "forced" to begin with, mankind should willingly SEEK to improve the lives of all those around us, and not just our selves. It's greed which makes something like capitalism possible.

Defending a type of ecomic system which only promotes further greed and war among its people?

Flawless logic.

ALL HAIL CAPITALISM!! without which we'd never be able to afford G4's and 100 bedroom homes, because we all really need those things to survive

reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 02:36 PM by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet

reply to post by camaro68ss

Your starting to sound really arrogant! Did you even look at the link I provided explaining Socialist politics?
Socialism 101

Socialism is an economic system characterized by public ownership and centralized planning of all major industries (manufacturing, services, and energy), banks and insurance companies, agribusiness, transportation, the media, and medical facilities. Under capitalism, these giant enterprises dominate the economy but are privately owned and operated for the purpose of generating wealth for their owners by extracting it from working people who are paid only a small fraction of what their labor produces. Socialism turns this around so that the class that produces the wealth can collectively decide how it will be used for the benefit of all.

reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 02:36 PM by Misoir

reply to post by Skyfloating

The Social Democratic Parties prior to the beginning of the New Left in the '60s and '70s were Democratic Socialist but eventually turned into the Center-left Social Democrats which are now Neoliberals.

reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 02:38 PM by dizzylizzy

Originally posted by endtimer
reply to post by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet

You say you are a person just like everyone else? In what sense? Do you really
think that everyone else embraces this sick stuff? Socialism has never worked
in any country on this planet in any time of history. Don't compare yourself to
everyone else.

And to compare Jesus to Socialism is really, really sick.

I think Canada needs believers like yourself. Get packing !!

Capatilism has proved to be superior to Socialism?

What was Jesus if not a Socialist, he told us to share all we have with those less well off.

reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 02:40 PM by Skyfloating

Originally posted by dizzylizzy
What was Jesus if not a Socialist, he told us to share all we have with those less well off.

And where did he say "If someone chooses not to share, force him into the collective by taking it from him"?

reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 02:43 PM by Skyfloating

Originally posted by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet
I got the red jersey and you got the blue jersey. This time we show good sportsmanship.
You're a really reasonable person.

Thanks. I embrace dissent on my own threads - it breeds threads speeding up, more replies, more debate. This is fun

reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 02:44 PM by Gakus

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by dizzylizzy
What was Jesus if not a Socialist, he told us to share all we have with those less well off.

And where did he say "If someone chooses not to share, force him into the collective by taking it from him"?

No it was more along the lines of

"If you wanna be greedy and not attempt to make a better life for those around you, you can rot in eternal hellfire"

which to me is pretty much the same exact thing.

reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 02:44 PM by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet

reply to post by Skyfloating

Skyfloting. I'm still waiting for you to annualized and tell me what do you think of the link I required to understand what is Socialism.
Socialism 101

Socialism is an economic system characterized by public ownership and centralized planning of all major industries (manufacturing, services, and energy), banks and insurance companies, agribusiness, transportation, the media, and medical facilities. Under capitalism, these giant enterprises dominate the economy but are privately owned and operated for the purpose of generating wealth for their owners by extracting it from working people who are paid only a small fraction of what their labor produces. Socialism turns this around so that the class that produces the wealth can collectively decide how it will be used for the benefit of all.

reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 02:45 PM by camaro68ss

Originally posted by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet
reply to post by camaro68ss

Your starting to sound really arrogant! Did you even look at the link I provided explaining Socialist politics?
Socialism 101

Socialism is an economic system characterized by public ownership and centralized planning of all major industries (manufacturing, services, and energy), banks and insurance companies, agribusiness, transportation, the media, and medical facilities. Under capitalism, these giant enterprises dominate the economy but are privately owned and operated for the purpose of generating wealth for their owners by extracting it from working people who are paid only a small fraction of what their labor produces. Socialism turns this around so that the class that produces the wealth can collectively decide how it will be used for the benefit of all.

I know what socialism is! it rears its ugly face in the labor unions and goverment unions. Forcing and demanding pay raises every year till they bankrupt the companys they work for.

The goverment Unions are the worst no wonder the goverment is underwater. Goverment Unions get payed 20% more then a privet worker gets paid for doing the same thing. May sound great to you but thats why the goverment is defalting on its debt.

Socialism has been tryed and faild but people still think it can work. The problem is now Socialism has taken route in our markets and its to blame for the slow groths we have now. we are not a capitalist market when goverment has its hands in it.

What made this USA the top producing countery in the world???? Capitalism! But since FDR's new deal we have slowly become a Socialistic market and that is what is making this country fall

reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 02:46 PM by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet

reply to post by Skyfloating

True true! What would you consider yourself on the political line? As I stated I embrace Socialism and helping people out. My cousin of the other hand is mixed for politics.

reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 02:47 PM by NewlyAwakened

Originally posted by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet
Your starting to sound really arrogant! Did you even look at the link I provided explaining Socialist politics?
Socialism 101

Socialism is an economic system characterized by public ownership and centralized planning of all major industries (manufacturing, services, and energy), banks and insurance companies, agribusiness, transportation, the media, and medical facilities. Under capitalism, these giant enterprises dominate the economy but are privately owned and operated for the purpose of generating wealth for their owners by extracting it from working people who are paid only a small fraction of what their labor produces. Socialism turns this around so that the class that produces the wealth can collectively decide how it will be used for the benefit of all.

Please define "public ownership".

When you figure out what that means then you'll realize that all socialism is doing is upping the ante on monopoly. Instead of a bunch of firms, some of them big, you have one big firm. And this is supposed to solve the "evils of capitalism" and not exacerbate them? How?

Really that whole paragraph is economics fail. Labor theory of value was discredited long ago. Please visit www.mises.org.

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reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 02:49 PM by JudgedCover

Originally posted by dizzylizzy

Originally posted by endtimer
reply to post by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet

You say you are a person just like everyone else? In what sense? Do you really
think that everyone else embraces this sick stuff? Socialism has never worked
in any country on this planet in any time of history. Don't compare yourself to
everyone else.

And to compare Jesus to Socialism is really, really sick.

I think Canada needs believers like yourself. Get packing !!

Capatilism has proved to be superior to Socialism?

What was Jesus if not a Socialist, he told us to share all we have with those less well off.

That's like saying a pile of crap is superior to a bag of farts. Both stink. Seriously, unless you are a Wall Street Banker, a Mortgage Banker, an AIG or GM Executive or an Oil Tycoon, I do not even begin to comprehend how you can be so brazen to critiques of Capitalism in this present reality we are in.

"...the love of money is the root of all evil..."-----why Capitalism will ultimately fail. There are many scriptures that can be quoted regarding Socialism/Capitalism failing too (most of what Proverbs says comes to mind).

The real issue is that of all the systems, Capitalism most embraces the concept of individual freedom, while the other systems shift power and judgement to the ruling collective i.e. government.

Individually we should all endeavor to be "socialists" to our neighbors in need, but we will best be able to accomplish this in a system that allows us to be free to do so.

The fact is, we can at this very moment, search the newsites and see in any corner of the world the abuses of all of these systems and it's global impact on us all. They are all flawed. If you believe in the Biblical Jesus, then He cannot be a supporter of ANY of these systems because according to the Bible, He is not flawed.

reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 02:50 PM by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet

reply to post by camaro68ss

We're defiantly a Capitalist market! Why are our jobs over seas and all the illegals being hired and most of the people are laid off? Greedy Capitalist.
Here's a great article explaining Capitalism in today's state.
Everything you love you owe to Capitalism
Plus here's a great article on Capitalism vs. Socialism.
Red Vs. Blue

reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 02:51 PM by Skyfloating

Originally posted by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet
Skyfloting. I'm still waiting for you to annualized and tell me what do you think of the link I required to understand what is Socialism.

No need to keep showing the link.

I know socialism very well, I've been exploring and exposing its consequences since many years.

It contains a variety of cognitive distortions that have negative real life effects. I, for example, dont need the collective to handle my money - I can handle it quite well myself. Thanks to me, many people are helped and can make a living. My money and support is given freely and not ruled by the collective.

If everybody governs, nobody governs.

reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 02:52 PM by Skyfloating

Originally posted by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet
True true! What would you consider yourself on the political line? As I stated I embrace Socialism and helping people out. My cousin of the other hand is mixed for politics.

Im a Libertarian-Capitalist and Neo-Buddhist.

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reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 02:53 PM by Skyfloating

Originally posted by Misoir
The Social Democratic Parties prior to the beginning of the New Left in the '60s and '70s were Democratic Socialist but eventually turned into the Center-left Social Democrats which are now Neoliberals.

They moved to the center, which is why they prosper. Its all quite simple really.

reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 02:54 PM by dizzylizzy

reply to post by Skyfloating

Not sure Jesus was into a colour prob, he definately taught share all you have.

Answer me one thing has Capatilism done any better than so called Socialism?

Most of us hypthetically clock in and out on minimum wage or just above, struggle to survive Oh well never mind the greedy cats of Capatilism are laughing all the way to the bank.

Could an office survive without a cleaner??

reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 02:54 PM by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet

reply to post by Skyfloating

Can you explain the latter for me? I rarely hear anyone use the word Neo. let alone Neo Buddhism.
By The Way. Neo is not a word. Firefox refuses to list it as a correct word.