I have come to embrace Socialism!

An 'ism' whether communism, socialism, fascism etc. is nothing more than a human cancer that eventually robs the very Soul of the 'individual'. Isms are prisons of conformity, though 'much' more and nothing less.

Originally posted by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet
reply to post by logicalthinking

 

Jesus was about guns? That's where I see your coming from. Socialism is not about taking from the rich and giving to others. Come on now! If you disagree with something you have to see the truth to what it is.
What is Socialism

Actually, Jesus was pretty anti Rich.

JUST throwing it out there

reply to post by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet


Admit it. You're just trying to keep your name off the NWO's watch list for the next couple of years.

reply to post by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet


I would like to ask, what do you have to gain or loose from Socialism? On one hand, when Jesus was alive, there wasn't too much to be capitalistic about. You had a king, all the money went to him....Kind of like socialism, where everyone has just enough to survive, works their butts off and the "King" takes all the money.

Hitler and Nazi Germany was actually Socialist also, maybe we do have a lot to learn?

Originally posted by Perseus Apex
An 'ism' whether communism, socialism, fascism etc. is nothing more than a human cancer that eventually robs the very Soul of the 'individual'. Isms are prisons of conformity, though 'much' more and nothing less.

The greatest human accomplishments and people throughout history that we now herald as the greatest of our kind, and even Christianity itself thrived under the most tyrranical governments and rulers known to mankind.

The ability to transcend such evils and embrace purity is how we unlock our greatest human potential. Some of the greatest men/women in history emerged from a prison..or died there. If you let these "ism's define who you are and determine your development as a human being then you will be lost.

If you focus on building your temple, then exteriors are irrelevant.

reply to post by endtimer


I do not think he is sick....Just a realist. It is your words of disrespect of a different viewpoint that are ill. We must value each others different opinions to have a successful society.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
To learn more about Socialism I also recommend you Wikipedia

Stalin
Lenin
Mao
Pol Pot
Castro
Mugabe
Chavez

the socialist "heroes" of the last 100 years.

nice straw man.

Originally posted by camaro68ss
Jesus was not a socialist! He was a Christian with Christian values in giving and helping the poor.

I'm sorry but WHAT?

Jesus was Jewish.... Christianity didn't exist.

:shk:

I decided that I was a democratic socialist (or social democrat) in the Western European sense when I was in my twenties and nothing that's happened since has ever changed my views. If anything, they have been confirmed by recent events.

I knew for a long time that American-style capitalism would collpase and said so, and I saw it happen over the past few years, with all the big capitalists running to Washington begging for a bailout.

After that, who can still claim with a straight face that capitalism is not a failure?

Originally posted by intelinside451
reply to post by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet

 

I would like to ask, what do you have to gain or loose from Socialism? On one hand, when Jesus was alive, there wasn't too much to be capitalistic about. You had a king, all the money went to him....Kind of like socialism, where everyone has just enough to survive, works their butts off and the "King" takes all the money.

Hitler and Nazi Germany was actually Socialist also, maybe we do have a lot to learn?

edit on 8-10-2010 by intelinside451 because: Added the Hitler bit for effect

Jesus was certainly a populist who wanted more justice and equality for the poor, and that makes him more like a socialist as I understand it. He was on the side of the majority--the common people--although naturally America-style fundamentalist Protestants try to paint him in their image, making him out to be some kind of capitalist, militarist and so on on.

reply to post by blupblup


Technically Jesus is Jewish by birth! By religion he is not consider Jewish and mainstream Judaism is so anti-Jesus that they even hate Muslims who believe in Jesus.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
reply to post by inivux

 

I disagree. You are saying that theoretically socialism is good, Im saying its not even good theoretically. How is socialism good theoretically?

If we live on an Island, a small group of people, and I build a boat that I plan to give to the Community, how is it good for "the collective" to come take my boat away, depriving me of the chance to truly give?

And I also think that capitalism is not the end of history, but just a stage of history and that its time is almost up. I still have a sense that this latest depression is going to finish it off, when all the government bailout money runs out.

hmm...how is it that this thread is on a popular topics forum, with only 4 flags?

Well anyways, if you embrace socialism so much, I assume you donate to charity, have/will start a philanthropy to give to the sick and poor. I'm all for the compassion of Jesus, but just remember that Jesus did not force other people to be socialists, so as long as you don't vote for any law that says I have to be socialist, I'm all for you being a socialist.

reply to post by witness63


Socialism with dictatorships are insanely dangerous to any country.Because the government decides all the power and laws and rules.They end up abusing thier power.The theory is good and sounds good but it never works if the government gets to powerful and controlling.
If a facist dictator gets voted in mass genocide and massive wars will result.

Originally posted by witness63

Originally posted by intelinside451
reply to post by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet

 

I would like to ask, what do you have to gain or loose from Socialism? On one hand, when Jesus was alive, there wasn't too much to be capitalistic about. You had a king, all the money went to him....Kind of like socialism, where everyone has just enough to survive, works their butts off and the "King" takes all the money.

Hitler and Nazi Germany was actually Socialist also, maybe we do have a lot to learn?

edit on 8-10-2010 by intelinside451 because: Added the Hitler bit for effect

Jesus was certainly a populist who wanted more justice and equality for the poor, and that makes him more like a socialist as I understand it. He was on the side of the majority--the common people--although naturally America-style fundamentalist Protestants try to paint him in their image, making him out to be some kind of capitalist, militarist and so on on.

Not entirely true..

30% of His staff were Tax Collectors who according to Roman history, profited quite nicely from "their cuts" as well as some his most devoted followers like "Wee little man" Zaccheus, who himself had to be quite wealthy if we were able to pay all of the people he had cheated as a Tax Collector four times over.

He also performed miracles for a Roman Centurion as well as Peter in the Book of Acts evangelizing another powerful Roman Centurion. There was also Lydia, who was a successful and wealthy businesswoman in the Book of Acts.

Jesus recognized that wealth was a tool. A tool to accomplish God's will on the earth. But like any tool in the wrong hands it could wreak great destruction and the "love" of this tool is described by Paul as the root of all evil. Jesus exposed whether wealth had an unholy hold on a person by challenging the Rich Young Ruler to give it all away as he boasted about how righteous He was. He couldn't do it, exposing who he really was and this inspired the famous line about how difficult it was for a rich man to enter His Kingdom.

reply to post by SeventhSeal


Jesus spoke out against the subjects being double taxed by the king And the Roman empire. Both 'authorities' misused the funds and were far off course from establishing any kind of 'civil' society. Corrruption was rampant as it is today.....

The good news is, the folks are beginning to awaken, become enlightened, so they may evolve to a higher purpose/End.

Jesus was a Christian?

LOL!

reply to post by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet


Actually, Jesus was leading the Jews away from the Roman Socialist occupation of the Holy Lands. But it's kind of hysterical how you socialists suddenly run away from atheism to proclaim a likeness to Jesus.

Jesus forgives you for your folly. Jesus tends to have a soft spot in the heart for foolish comments. Next thing we know you'll be proclaiming the Russian Orthodox Church as your one guiding light.

Attack you for proclaiming your socialism? Au contrare, mon ami. Or mon frere or whatever form of European/French socialism you embrace. Shout out your socialist tendencies from the rooftops. Let there be no pretenses between us. That way we can build a higher and thicker wall between your ilk. Sort of like those halcyon Knights of the Round Table days when the peasants couldn't construct a ladder high enough to scale Arthur's walls. You stay out there. We stay in here. Dance of the Red Death thing. The wider and deeper the moat, the better we are each prepared to mingle with our own kinds.

There have always been socialists, gypsies, migrant workers, unemployed, Bolsheviks and plenty of gulag housing. This has never meant that we must ALL get down to grovel in the mud.

I was under strict socialism for good part of my life, I will give some facts. But I will also give my thoughts on capitalism in contrast.

• Socialism is a economic system, not a character attribute or religion. Jesus was not socialist. If Jesus was socialist then George W Bush is socialist for giving away money to Haiti? Also, Microsoft is socialist company for donating money on regular basis and for supporting free IT education and free software? Of course, ATS is socialist for being community-driven enterprise with totally free access, etc. Being a good, normal person of virtues and qualities does not make you socialist! I hope that's somewhat clear and simple to understand.
  
• Socialism can work. It really can and did more than few times actually work - it does not force you to "give away" your property, that's a lie. It's like saying capitalism forces you to do job you hate 13 hours a day for a "capitalist bastard" who is a douche - its a lie, capitalism does not force you to do that. Communism does force you - if you don't do what Stalin says you end up grinding rocks in Gulag, don't mix Marxism, Maoism and communism with socialism
  . Mandatory military service is usually associated with socialism but many capitalist/democratic states have or have had it. Socialism usually has more laws and bureaucracy, ideally that's a good thing but in reality its a deadly poison to the society.
  
• Socialism can not work forever because of futile attempt to establish social equilibrium. This is simply due to a generally uncompetitive economy when in nature man is a competitive being. You'd think competition causes chaos and equality creates order - in reality this is false and proven incorrect.
  Example: In socialism you'd have one fairly good operating system on one fairly good computer, all government mandated. So if you think of a better operating system, you can't really demonstrate it unless you have some family relations in the government enabling you to do so. Socialism is attempting to create a Utopian world with only one operating system because it is simply PERFECT - capitalism is not, that is why I prefer capitalism, capitalism does not claim to be perfect. Jesus does not promote Utopian society for only kingdom of God can ever be Utopian. Why do socialist countries build so many monuments and gigantic status? For the same reason tower of Babylon was built - to demonstrate "infinite powers of Utopian society". Another common term used is so called "harmonious society" which is in reality "brainwashed society".
  
• Unlike socialism, capitalism promotes self-sustaining economies, free market etc. depending on type of capitalism, you can sustain yourself with little work or barely sustain yourself by slaving yourself to death. It's not promoting Utopian society, its using logic and common sense which dictates hard work in order to create vast empires which we have today. Unfortunately, today and in past 100 years, that hard work is mostly from external race-based slavery which I won't discuss. If you fail, you can always take a loan and try to pay it back. In theory, a bank lending the money depends on economic success of the society - in reality it is the other way around, which is creating a cancerous tumour of a system just like most socialist countries do. That tumour will explode one day and most of you will live to see it happen. But what sustains the tumour? Military industrial complex, modern slavery, drug trade, organized crime etc. does a fairly good job. at delaying this cancer.
  
• Technology does not permit labour-free society, it does not create a Utopia. Even though it still doesn't, it should greatly lessen our physical labour and help create a capitalist society with technology and science behind it rather than fake economy, slavery and bank overlords behind it. In current reality, this is actually due to socialist thinking - business owner rather employs a hundred Chinese labourers than a handful of technological experts to devise a modern solution. This is exactly because a huge number of people still are under communism which promotes hard work and sweatshops as healthy. If all people on earth were granted same rights as a US citizen then we'd force ourselves (our kids) to technologically advance in order to survive because its a shorter and logical path to take - currently we're driven by corruption and slavery rather than education and knowledge.
  
• There's a lot more... all common sense logic goes against socialism and any other ideology.... Also, modern day capitalism is mostly cloaked socialism based on elaborate resource trading where resources are pretty much stolen from few other countries bullied into oblivion and deceived beyond belief. If you've worked in large multinational corporations or been in places like Singapore, Hong Kong, Cyprus, Gilbratar etc. (said corporations are always there no matter what they do) you can see how thriving and new "capitalist" economies greatly depend on illegal or barely legal operations and awful war industry. That's not the fault of capitalism, its a plan of people with darker agendas which are beyond me..... As I said, if only we all had US citizen rights granted for free
  .
  

That's my 10c. You have to really experience certain things to see how our world works, socialist or capitalist. They're hard to discuss let alone prove or even worth proving....

Originally posted by seenitall
Jesus was a Christian?

LOL!

Yes, if you knew your biblical history you would know that Christianity was originally a Jewish sect. Jesus was a Christian, which was a branch of Judaism of the day.

You are confusing early Christianity with Catholicism. Peter served as the first Pope, Peter and Paul were both martyred. Things started to change with the rise of Catholicism.

The scribes Peter and Paul argued extensively with one another over how many of the traditions from the other Jewish sects should be carried over to the new Christian base. The timeline rolled onward.......And then we had that movie Mel Gibson made about the Crucifixion.