I have come to embrace Socialism!

Originally posted by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet
Well yes.

Oh alright.

But you're coming from a point into attacking me for embracing Socialism

Oh its nothing personal, just some inquiry into the recent glorious History of Socialism for curious readers.

Being a bully about it is not going to make me feel guilty.

Bully? No, dont feel oppressed by mere academic inquiry.

I can say the same thing about Capitalist, the United States and countless others.

You can say the same thing about the United States as you can about the list of illustrious Gentlemen?

Originally posted by MurderCityDevil

Originally posted by camaro68ss
Jesus was not a socialist! He was a Christian with Christian values in giving and helping the poor. Socialism is the government taking your money and spending, giving to who they see fit.

Jesus if alive and walking today on earth would not need the government to take his money to give to other. Jesus today would give directly to the poor and cut out government all together. You don’t need the government to help other people and by god I don’t want the government taking my hard earned money and giving it to other. I should have the right to decide whether or not I want to give my money to the poor or needy without giving it to the government first.

Jesus was not a socialist, he did not force you to give him money so he can give your money to others!

jesus was not christian, hahaha

it wasnt until in acts that paul and barnabas coined the term christian

40 years after the dude was murdered

just saying, not defending the guy

it was ment in the sence of his values. you are taking it to litteral

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Wow! I'm shock to see all the anger I get for embracing Socialist politics and believing Jesus was a Socialist! People! I know politics is a very touchy subject to discuss and like sports we prefer to fight then talk. But we need understanding here.
Socialism 101

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yeah i know, but it made me laugh a little

not attacking what you said, hah

Originally posted by Misoir
But you are trying to stereotype a group of wrongdoers as the set principle of all Socialists.

We`re talking about the last centuries vanguards of socialism here, not just "a group of wrongdoers"

How about the people who did not use Socialism as a propaganda tool for power? How about the Socialists of the Nordic and other Western countries who were not tyrants?

Who exactly? Lars the Viking?

Originally posted by MurderCityDevil

Originally posted by camaro68ss
Jesus was not a socialist! He was a Christian with Christian values in giving and helping the poor. Socialism is the government taking your money and spending, giving to who they see fit.

Jesus if alive and walking today on earth would not need the government to take his money to give to other. Jesus today would give directly to the poor and cut out government all together. You don’t need the government to help other people and by god I don’t want the government taking my hard earned money and giving it to other. I should have the right to decide whether or not I want to give my money to the poor or needy without giving it to the government first.

Jesus was not a socialist, he did not force you to give him money so he can give your money to others!

jesus was not christian, hahaha

it wasnt until in acts that paul and barnabas coined the term christian

40 years after the dude was murdered

just saying, not defending the guy

Paul and Barnabas did not coin that term. Unbelievers in the ancient city of Antioch did. The early Christians referred to themselves as followers of "the Way". Basically, those outside the faith used that term because the way these people spoke, lived and interacted with each other reminded them of that Jesus fellow.

What a novel idea. In this age when the term Christian is tossed around like a $3 dollar whore, that non-believers should have ownership of the term "Christian" to bestow on those whose LIFESTYLE reminds them of Jesus...well I imagine there would only be about 12 Christians in the world...

reply to post by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet


dude, i love where you're coming from. as a christian i've had to wrestle with the same question as well. in my view though jesus wasn't expousing any kind of political idealogy. he knew full well that the coin he instructed to 'give unto caesar' would probably be used for warfare or caesar's personal gain. i've come to believe that jesus's teachings about giving, etc were meant to be taken on a purely personal level. as for the political element, jesus came from a time when poor didn't just mean poor. poor before capitalism and social mobility was something closer to a caste, someone whose lot was unlikely or unable to be changed.

for those reasons i view personal charity and an economic system that allows the poor to be socially mobile as most compatiable with my form of christianity. i recognize that our views are not the same but applaud your honest conversion to what you feel is right. i wish you success, friend. just not too much success at the ballot box.

Originally posted by Misoir
It was all about control at all means necessary and using the guise of proletariat revolution as a cover up for their planned concentration of wealth in the form of the state using the state as a mechanism for creating capital flows which would be directed straight to the leaders of said state.

So Marx labelling of everyone who has money or education as an "oppressor" has nothing to do with the mass-murder of intellectuals, artists and the wealthy?

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Thank you! Seems we got off to a weird start here. But hey it's politics! It's like sports. You say one team sucks and the others will speak back at you. I do welcome constructive criticism. Just I would like people to ask questions then try to make me feel that these people want to rule you and then kill you. Come on now! Yes a few were. Pol Pot killed people. But hey many different types of people under different governments killed people. Then why have a government? I say the people should rule and work together. That is where Socialism and Communism comes in for me.

Originally posted by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet

Thank you! Seems we got off to a weird start here. But hey it's politics! It's like sports.

No offense btw - it IS just sports

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Check out the article I linked and tell me what you think!
Socialism 101
Good short introduction.

Jesus was in fact a socialist, anyone attempting to argue otherwise is downright full of ignorance. He did nothing but preach for mankind to give and help their fellow man and to share with them as if they were their own kin.

Care to even say otherwise? ROFL

It wasn't "stealing" from one man and giving to another in his eyes, people should WILLINGLY want it to happen and to SHARE, rather than be complete greedy piles of selfish crap hording things they have no need for or "working hard" while climbing over all the backs of other innocents so you could afford a larger TV set? Yea sounds like God's will to me!

None of this stuff was suppose to matter to us, we were suppose to share with our communities and help uplift all those around us for the betterment of mankind, not yourself.

I love watching people attempt to defend their selfish desires and reasons honestly expecting any of us to believe god intended for capitalism, if anything he wants socialism.

Stop thinking like tools.

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I got the red jersey and you got the blue jersey. This time we show good sportsmanship.
You're a really reasonable person.

Originally posted by Gakus
He did nothing but preach for mankind to give and help their fellow man and to share with them as if they were their own kin.

This has nothing to do with socialism.

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Coming from a heavily Anti-Socialist point of view it could easily be viewed that way or should I say skewed that way. I have read Das Kapital more than once and what I got back from his discussion about the Bourgeois was his opposition to their oppression, he labeled them the capitalist class. He never said they were all evil nor did he call for their death, what he stated was that their power should be stripped from them and handed to the workers. Artists, Educators and others who do not own the Means of Production are not considered as 'evil' or 'oppressive' in any way.

Originally posted by Gakus
Jesus was in fact a socialist, anyone attempting to argue otherwise is downright full of ignorance. He did nothing but preach for mankind to give and help their fellow man and to share with them as if they were their own kin.

Care to even say otherwise? ROFL

Stop thinking like tools.

Can you tell the difference between giving freely and being forced to give? One feels like giving, the other feels like rape.

This is what my dad taught me about Socialism.
Think of it like you are a Mamas Boy he said
Mom Billie Got more cake then me
Mom Billie will not share his toys with me
Mom Billie won't give me his money
Mom my friends all are rich so I want what they have or you are a bad parent
Etc
Anyway America has never held a Socialist Believer hostage, we are allowed to move to any
Socialist Country we choose and claim it as our mother country.

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No, the leaders of the Social Democratic Parties who rose to power after World War 2.

Originally posted by Misoir
what I got back from his discussion about the Bourgeois was his opposition to their oppression, he labeled them the capitalist class. He never said they were all evil nor did he call for their death, what he stated was that their power should be stripped from them and handed to the workers.

Can you show me where a socialist has ever proposed how value should be created? The capitalist creates the wealth of nations. Creates value. The socialist wants to disempower the only person who creates value for society.

Where did you get all those streets? Where did you get Internet?

What methods for the creation of value have socialist writers offered? None. They only bash the status quo because they`d like to be up there themselves.

Originally posted by Misoir
No, the leaders of the Social Democratic Parties who rose to power after World War 2.

Those are democratic left-centrists, not socialists. You, having authored a thread about classical liberalism recently should know that.