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reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 04:09 PM by Skyfloating

Originally posted by JudgedCover

Drive on a road? Go to a public school? Enjoy the safety and security of Fire and Police service?

I for one am very grateful that there are Corporations building all this wealth

reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 04:13 PM by camaro68ss

Originally posted by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet
reply to post by camaro68ss

We're defiantly a Capitalist market! Why are our jobs over seas and all the illegals being hired and most of the people are laid off? Greedy Capitalist.
Here's a great article explaining Capitalism in today's state.
Everything you love you owe to Capitalism
Plus here's a great article on Capitalism vs. Socialism.
Red Vs. Blue

I dont care about your dang articles. Articles are the the view of one man/woman.

Jobs are over seas because its cheaper to produce over there because of cheaper labor. why is labor cheaper, there not unionized and dont demand 5% incresses every year. because of Socialist greed " the working labor union man" demanding more pay every year. Companys said fine no more work for you and shipped the jobs over seas where people would be more then happy to work for less. you rather work for $15 instead of $25 or not work at all. Unions made there minds up and jobs got shipped out. thats why!

illegals are the same story. why pay a labor union guy $25 plus 5% incresses every year when you can pay a illegal $15

America is dieing because of these socialism union labors that demand more and more money!

Not everyone can be millionaires. this is one of the flaws of socialism

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reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 04:13 PM by inivux

Socialism in theory is a utopia. In the real world, it would fail miserably.

This is how the rational mind has thought of the subject for 60+ years now.

Welcome to The Club.

reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 04:13 PM by JudgedCover

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by JudgedCover

Drive on a road? Go to a public school? Enjoy the safety and security of Fire and Police service?

I for one am very grateful that there are Corporations building all this wealth

I am as well. I would also be grateful for leaders that We The People choose to lead this country would hold these companies accountable for gross atrocities commited towards mankind and this planet.

Our forefathers would have been arming themselves and building Guillotines in the streets for the "heads" of these corporations if they were alive today to witness what Corporate America has become. They revolted against King George for farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr less.

reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 04:15 PM by Skyfloating

Originally posted by inivux
Socialism in theory is a utopia. In the real world, it would fail miserably.

Thats what they keep saying, but actually its also a failure on paper, full of illogical thinking and whiny-eyed inferiority-rants.

"Workers unite! You have nothing to loose but your chains!" - as if all workers were chained up instead of volunteering out of their own free will.

Even on paper its nonsense.

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reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 04:18 PM by inivux

reply to post by Skyfloating

The problem with Socialism in practice is that it is affected by the inherent Human conditions of greed and competition.

For it to be successful, we would have to leave that part of our nature behind, and that will never happen because of the very concepts we would be getting away from.

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reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 04:20 PM by Skyfloating

Originally posted by JudgedCover

I am as well. I would also be grateful for leaders that We The People choose to lead this c
ountry would hold these companies accountable for gross atrocities commited towards mankind and this planet.

Most evil in the past century has come through Socialism. Genocide. Poverty. Orwellian Collectivism. Most progress through Capitalism. The industrial Revolution really boosted society.

Our forefathers would have been arming themselves and building Guillotines in the streets for the "heads" of these corporations if they were alive today to witness what Corporate America has become.

We are just normal people like everyone else, not the boogyman you dream up. No need to be afraid or feel oppressed - Im not doing anything to you, I am creating wealth for your country and you. I am your friend, the Capitalist.

reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 04:20 PM by camaro68ss

Originally posted by JudgedCover

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by JudgedCover

Drive on a road? Go to a public school? Enjoy the safety and security of Fire and Police service?

I for one am very grateful that there are Corporations building all this wealth

I am as well. I would also be grateful for leaders that We The People choose to lead this country would hold these companies accountable for gross atrocities commited towards mankind and this planet.

Our forefathers would have been arming themselves and building Guillotines in the streets for the "heads" of these corporations if they were alive today to witness what Corporate America has become. They revolted against King George for farrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr less.

what are you talking about???? why do you hate coporations so much??? Corporations are Successful because they can produce a commodity cheaper then anyone else and sale it to the market at the lowest bitter.

If you hate corporations so much I demand you to stop being a hypocrite and throw out your AT&T iphone, you Comcast or dish network tv, stop going to walmart, target, safeway. Stop going to all name brand gas stations. Stop buying name brand shirts and pants and only consume items made by mom and pop shops. Please stop your hypocrisy

With out corporations America and the world would not be were its at today

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reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 04:24 PM by Skyfloating

reply to post by inivux

I disagree. You are saying that theoretically socialism is good, Im saying its not even good theoretically. How is socialism good theoretically?

If we live on an Island, a small group of people, and I build a boat that I plan to give to the Community, how is it good for "the collective" to come take my boat away, depriving me of the chance to truly give?

reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 04:27 PM by JudgedCover

reply to post by camaro68ss

If you would view my entire activity in this thread you would see I don't hate corporations or capitalism. I believe that capitalism is the best mankind currently has to work with due primarily to the fact that it lends itself to individual freedom moreso than the other systems/idealogies and I absolutely wholeheartedly believe that ANY system that infringes on the personal liberty of any human being is an inferior and ultimately destructive system.

However, any system that is taken to an unhealthy extreme becomes just as destructive. A nuclear reactor can provide enormous power and a better standard of living to multitudes of people, but if that reactor meltsdown it will destroy everything that has progressed as a result of it.

It is so painfully obvious that American Capitalism and American Corporations have leaped over the threshold of what is righteous and balanced becoming a destructive force that is poised to destroy everything that has flourished as a result of it up until this point.

Do I believe in removing the proverbial baby with the bathwater? Absolutely not. But SERIOUS and I mean SERIOUS reform must be DEMANDED by the people of this nation lest we find ourselves rotting away under the fallout of what is happening in this system today.

reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 04:31 PM by sligtlyskeptical

Originally posted by camaro68ss

What made this USA the top producing countery in the world???? Capitalism! But since FDR's new deal we have slowly become a Socialistic market and that is what is making this country fall

Think about that for a second. The USA became as successful as it was because it was virgin land full of resources to exploit. Capitlism just served to deliver that wealth into a few pockets instead of across the population as whole.

Tell me another country that has adopted capitalism in full that is really better off?

reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 04:33 PM by Skyfloating

Originally posted by sligtlyskeptical
Think about that for a second. The USA became as successful as it was because it was virgin land full of resources to exploit. Capitlism just served to deliver that wealth into a few pockets instead of across the population as whole.

If you really think the population as a whole has not greatly benefited, you havent been travelling to other countries much. With Capitalism, everyone benefits.

Capitalism is your friend.

reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 04:37 PM by camaro68ss

reply to post by sligtlyskeptical

South Korea, Tiwan, indonisia are prime examples of countrys. There nabors practice your perfect little examples of socialism and are among the poorest in the world. but once you cross the county lines into capitalism its prosparity. look at East and West germany post cold war. West germany is better off and richer in that section of the county

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reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 04:47 PM by Romantic_Rebel

Originally posted by camaro68ss
reply to post by sligtlyskeptical

North Korea, Tiwan, indonisia are prime examples of countrys. There nabors practice your perfect little examples of socialism and are among the poorest in the world. but once you cross the county lines into capitalism its prosparity. look at East and West germany post cold war. West germany is better off and richer in that section of the county
edit on 8-10-2010 by camaro68ss because: (no reason given)

North Korea practices Juche philosophy. That is not Socialism. Indonesia is a Unitary state. Taiwan is apart of the Republic of China. Which is not the People's Republic of China. Kuomintang is the political philosophy of the country

reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 04:49 PM by JudgedCover

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by sligtlyskeptical
Think about that for a second. The USA became as successful as it was because it was virgin land full of resources to exploit. Capitlism just served to deliver that wealth into a few pockets instead of across the population as whole.

If you really think the population as a whole has not greatly benefited, you havent been travelling to other countries much. With Capitalism, everyone benefits.

Capitalism is your friend.

The only friends I have are people.

The real truth is that any system is completely dependent on just that...people. All systems of government throughout human history have been subject to the character of it's leaders.

A nation and it's people can thrive under a monarchy...when that monarch is a benevolent, righteous and wise ruler.

When the ruling order of any nation becomes predominantly comprised of self-serving, corrupt, greedy and powerlustful people then it is doomed to fail.

Which brings us back to some of the original discussion in this thread. The only system that Jesus Christ preached was the Kingdom of God/Heaven. This system will thrive for all of time...

DISCLAIMER the following statement was based upon a personal belief/interpretation and is therefore subject to be considered the ramblings of a insane, moron, whack-job idiot.

...because it is the only political system that is completely devoid of the concept of selfishness. The Constitution of this Kingdom is laid out in what is called the Beattitudes. However, such a system cannot exist successfully in this world in it's present state. But those of us who believe in and long for such a kingdom can little by little condition ourselves to become more prepared for it by exercising selfishness from our being in whatever way our maturity allows us.

Once more, any system that will better allow an individual to freely find their way to that path or choose to disregard it entirely even, will be a superior system.

reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 04:56 PM by inivux

reply to post by Skyfloating

What is to say the island community won't share it? What is to say you won't be getting something in return?

reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 05:13 PM by sickofitall2012

reply to post by JudgedCover

I travel 3 miles to and from work on a piece of crap road full of pot holes, so...
I went to school, but now I pay a large amount in school taxes to two different counties and I have no children.

reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 05:38 PM by Wally Hope

Originally posted by camaro68ss

Originally posted by ImAnAlienOnMyOwnPlanet
reply to post by camaro68ss

We're defiantly a Capitalist market! Why are our jobs over seas and all the illegals being hired and most of the people are laid off? Greedy Capitalist.
Here's a great article explaining Capitalism in today's state.
Everything you love you owe to Capitalism
Plus here's a great article on Capitalism vs. Socialism.
Red Vs. Blue

I dont care about your dang articles. Articles are the the view of one man/woman.

Jobs are over seas because its cheaper to produce over there because of cheaper labor. why is labor cheaper, there not unionized and dont demand 5% incresses every year. because of Socialist greed " the working labor union man" demanding more pay every year. Companys said fine no more work for you and shipped the jobs over seas where people would be more then happy to work for less. you rather work for $15 instead of $25 or not work at all. Unions made there minds up and jobs got shipped out. thats why!

illegals are the same story. why pay a labor union guy $25 plus 5% incresses every year when you can pay a illegal $15

America is dieing because of these socialism union labors that demand more and more money!

Not everyone can be millionaires. this is one of the flaws of socialism
edit on 8-10-2010 by camaro68ss because: (no reason given)

It has nothing to do with socialism. Capitalism keeps workers in competition for jobs. Workers demanding more pay is not socialism. When the corporations demand more profit is that socialism?

We are living in a false economy where our 'success' is measured by how big our personal bank account is, never mind that a lot of the world lives in poverty. 25,000 people die from hunger everyday, yet we have the resources and technology to feed everyone.

Capitalism isn't markets. or money, it is the 'private ownership of the means of production'. In other words a small minority of people control the worlds markets and the worlds wealth.

Capitalists did not invent the 'computer', a person did. In fact inventors rarely get wealthy from their inventions.
It doesn't take capitalists to make money, it takes people. The only thing capitalism does is centralise wealth and distribute it upwards to smaller and smaller groups of people, causing the rich poor divide to widen. If capitalism was really working for the average person then the rich poor divide should be getting narrower, not wider.

Socialism does not require a government. Socialism is an economic system where the workers own the means of production. Work places would be cooperative/collectives where the profit is shared amongst the workers instead of a private owner. This improves working conditions and increases worker wages putting more money into the economy.

Anarchism is traditionally socialist...

flag.blackened.net...

Anarchism is the no-government system of socialism." [Anarchism, p. 46] In other words, "the abolition of exploitation and oppression of man by man, that is the abolition of private property [i.e. capitalism] and government." Errico Malatesta, Towards Anarchism,", p. 75

(By 'private property' he means the 'means of production' rather than your personal possessions.)

We are convinced that freedom without Socialism is privilege and injustice, and that Socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality." Bakunin, the 'Father of Anarchism' The Political Philosophy of Bakunin, p. 269

Socialism is simply an economic system and does not need government or state system or force of any kind.

It has nothing to do with any political figures of the past who have been labeled as whatever. There have been no true socialist countries, or well known true socialists. There have been many who claim the label, or have been labeled by others, but do the opposite in practice. Governments have always ruled by coercion and deception, in the east and west.

There have been NO socialist countries including Russia and China. No socialist wants what happened in those countries. Do some real digging and research, not just the first article you find that supports what you want to hear.

You have to realise that you have all grown up in the belly of the beast so to speak, you are all smart enough to realise that populations are conditioned to think a certain way through school and media etc., so it should be obvious capitalists want to demonize socialism in the minds of the population? As conspiracy theorists you should be the first to be suspicious of what you've been told by TPTB surely? The conditioning is so transparent most people don't even realise it and really believe they are thinking for themselves.

Before WWII and TV, mass media, the working class was predominantly socialist, even in the USA. The Industrial Workers of the World (the IWW) was founded in Chicago in 1905 for example. People were more educated and less confused because they taught each other, now we are taught (conditioned) by the capitalist state.

www.iww.org...

Capitalism being the dominant system doesn't mean it's the better system. The capitalists have always had the upper hand, in the beginning they were the only ones who could afford education. Now of course they have government, military, police, media, schools. All we have is ourselves. Socialism has never failed because its never been given a chance, capitalists are not about to give up their power easily. The 'one world economy', it's been hear for years.

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reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 06:06 PM by camaro68ss

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel

Originally posted by camaro68ss
reply to post by sligtlyskeptical

North Korea, Tiwan, indonisia are prime examples of countrys. There nabors practice your perfect little examples of socialism and are among the poorest in the world. but once you cross the county lines into capitalism its prosparity. look at East and West germany post cold war. West germany is better off and richer in that section of the county
edit on 8-10-2010 by camaro68ss because: (no reason given)

North Korea practices Juche philosophy. That is not Socialism. Indonesia is a Unitary state. Taiwan is apart of the Republic of China. Which is not the People's Republic of China. Kuomintang is the political philosophy of the country

I mis typed and ment south korea, Taiwan was a under british rule till 2000. thats why that island state is alot more well off then the main land of china

reply posted on 8-10-2010 @ 06:28 PM by againuntodust

Jesus was not a socialist.

He was not a capitalist either.

The bible in Romans 13:1-3 states the following:

Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

In essence, all systems of government are ordained by God and that government authority does not exist to punish the good-doers, but the evil-doers; so you are exhorted to do good no matter what system you live in, and love your fellow humans as you love yourself.

That truly means that you should not even take part in seeking fortune or fame, or even the "American Dream". In fact the bible also states in Romans 12:2 ...

And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

It continues on to say...

Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good. Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another; Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord; Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer; Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality. Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not. Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep. Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits. Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

That being said, I don't think Jesus cares either way if you live in a Socialist or Capitalist or Fascist state. As long as you carry yourself accordingly. Just because everyone is 'equal' in your society (socialism, classless society) does not mean you are like Jesus. It is when you give up society altogether, when you 'mind not high things', and you give entirely of yourself to help others, that you are truly like Jesus.

And that is why none of us are as good as Jesus. We refuse to do that.