TROLL! either that or your one of those infiltrator units. sigh

also, that video OP first posted is SATIRICAL

Yes a jumbo jet flew into the pentagon and no other footage from an entire city remains save for a guard shack that shows a orange blob....nothing suspicious there, whats that you say there were witnesses - right the ones that say they didnt actually see the plane hit and one at the pentagon that said he saw it fly away.

From having foreknowledge of the events from various agents and sources to the lies that followed them to justify war - the whole thing smells to high hell of bull# - what is bull# exactly? - it's the SEC deleting stock filings that show a massive windfall from shorting airline stocks well before federal tax law would ever allow for reporting purposes...

Proof? Here's your physical proof...

1. Residue testing that NIST refused to test was done by independent researchers and was reported in a peer-reviewed chemistry journal. Small bi-layered chips, found consistantly in dust samples gathered at the towers had layers of red nano-engineered material that was shown to clearly be aluminothermic.

2. In a perfect condition, the maximum temperatue that can be reached by hydrocarbons such as jet fuel burning in air is 1,520 degrees ferenheit. When the towers collapsed, these deeply buried fires would have been deprived of oxygen and their temperatures would have significantly decreased. Dr. Frank Gayle a metals expert on jet fuel fires stated the steel couldn't have melted. Molten steel was found weeks later and fire fighters stated that the core of the fire was still burning around 1,500 degrees six weeks later!

3. The buildings fell at free fall speed into their own footprint. Over 1,300 professional architectural and engineering professionals have proven the pancake theory as implausable. Factual information can be found at Architects & Engineers for 9/11 truth.

5. In the aftermath of building 7, there was strong evidence that demolition using incendary devices was discovered by FEMA. There was also numerous highly qualified witnesses that reported finding several tons of molten metal.

6. Lack of airplane debris at the pentagon site. All the security camera tapes were confiscated that would have clearly shown a plane hitting the pentagon. To this day, none have been shown to the public except for a few second blurred video. If the OS has nothing to hide, why not show these video tapes?

7. None of the contents of the black boxes which were designed to survive the most severe crashes have never been released to the public. The FBI states they were never found, but yet we have found black boxes on the ocean floor (Air France flight 447 which crashed in the Atlantic ocean).

8. United 93 was still aiborne after the alleged crash according to ATC/Radar.

9. The Pentagon entry and exit hole was out of scale for a 757.

10. The flight path of the 757 that hit the Pentagon according to the official report couldn't have happened due to the light poles that were taken out and by eyewitnesses.

A proper investigation of this tragedy was never done. The debris was quickly removed and we were left with a story that has a lot of holes in it. If the government really wanted to prove without a doubt the OS is fact, than show the public the security videos, give us answers to why our government couldn't find the only plane that wasn't grounded or deverted in our air space. What was so secret that bush was video taped blacking out information on 9/11. Why was Cheany and Bush not questioned seperately. I don't blindly accept what our government tells us. They've been caught in numerous lies in the past. There are more facts than I care to write down here.

Where is your OS proof! Or is it the same lip service our government wants the sheepish to believe.

I will stop being a "truther" when the government tells the truth about the cockpit voice recorders from the WTC planes.

Originally posted by L1U2C3I4F5E6R


The truth again is not present from you people. NO PROOF. where is this proof that you have been trying to accumulate for so many years now? Nothing has ever been presented that constitutes proof. You have failed to establish any factual chain of evidence. Why has no one involved in this mass destruction come forward publically to support the truthers and say they helped plan and carry it out?

It would of taken hundreds of people. The US gov does not have the best track record of carrying out successful covert missions. So all of a sudden they can fool the world? Silence hundreds of people. Oh yeah...you will say they killed all witnesses to. How convenient.

You all need to wake up and stop finding fault for your fantasy. Only the truthers believe this story and the rest of the population believe the OS. Otherwise everyone would be a truther. But we are not. More credible people believe the terror attacks.

The whole fo the US Army believe the terrorist did it. The UK government has denounced the idea of the US gov performing this kind of act. The rich and wealthy believe the OS. As not one has stepped forward to help the "truthers" Where is the truthers support from some really PROMINENT people that are not Muslim.

Any Lords? Any Kings? Any Billionaires, Any Fortune 500 CEO's? Any Current Senior Members of the US or UK armed forces? Any Nobility? Any Supreme Judges? What about the Head of the FBI or CIA or NSA or DIA or DEA or DHS? No you say....are they all in collusion. Are they all wrong?...all these established people. Or are a few people on ATS and a couple of other websites the right ones.

Wel, perhaps not surprisingly, you exemplify the very weaknesses of which you accuse the 'truthers'. This is just so common, it kind of makes me yawn.

You make sweeping subjective generalisations not based in fact, for example:

Quote: 'The whole fo the US Army believe the terrorist did it' For this to be true, you would have to have asked the whole of the US Army. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I am guessing that really isn't the case.

In fact there is evidence that not all the US Army believes the OS. Have some fun and do some research on this incorrect and sweeping subjective generalisation. Just because someone wants something to be the case, and says it is, doesn't make it factually accurate. There is plenty of evidence out there which disproves this statement. Try doing a Google search.

Quote: The rich and wealthy believe the OS.
Frankly, this statement belongs in the garbage can. Since you keep saying that truthers have no evidence for their statements, please show me that your own high standards of statements supported by evidence proves that this statement is true. I could point you to many sources which prove the falsity of this statement, but I'm not going to. Do some research yourself, prove your own statement is true - or false.

Even if this risible statement were true, which it isn't, so what? This is either totally illogical, or you are basing your argument on a premise that if the 'rich and famous' don't support it, it can't be true. Could you prove that such a premise has any merit?

Frankly, these two unsubstantiated statements alone drain the life out of any desire I might have to discuss this matter with you.

Quote: Where is the truthers support from some really PROMINENT people that are not Muslim?
This statement simply proves that you have not read the 9/11 truth information. For that reason, I'm not going to bother to discuss this with you any further.

9/11 truthers are so used to this kind of unfounded criticism, it's absolutely nothing new, it's very, very common, it happens all the time, it's a tedious fact of life.

This kind of reasoning will have no effect at all on those who are truly searching from the truth, because they want truth, not sweeping, unfounded statements.








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Originally posted by L1U2C3I4F5E6R


The truth again is not present from you people. NO PROOF. where is this proof that you have been trying to accumulate for so many years now? Nothing has ever been presented that constitutes proof. You have failed to establish any factual chain of evidence. Why has no one involved in this mass destruction come forward publically to support the truthers and say they helped plan and carry it out?

It would of taken hundreds of people. The US gov does not have the best track record of carrying out successful covert missions. So all of a sudden they can fool the world? Silence hundreds of people. Oh yeah...you will say they killed all witnesses to. How convenient.

You all need to wake up and stop finding fault for your fantasy. Only the truthers believe this story and the rest of the population believe the OS. Otherwise everyone would be a truther. But we are not. More credible people believe the terror attacks.

The whole fo the US Army believe the terrorist did it. The UK government has denounced the idea of the US gov performing this kind of act. The rich and wealthy believe the OS. As not one has stepped forward to help the "truthers" Where is the truthers support from some really PROMINENT people that are not Muslim.

Any Lords? Any Kings? Any Billionaires, Any Fortune 500 CEO's? Any Current Senior Members of the US or UK armed forces? Any Nobility? Any Supreme Judges? What about the Head of the FBI or CIA or NSA or DIA or DEA or DHS? No you say....are they all in collusion. Are they all wrong?...all these established people. Or are a few people on ATS and a couple of other websites the right ones.

Wel, perhaps not surprisingly, you exemplify the very weaknesses of which you accuse the 'truthers'. This is just so common, it kind of makes me yawn.

You make sweeping subjective generalisations not based in fact, for example:

Quote: 'The whole fo the US Army believe the terrorist did it' For this to be true, you would have to have asked the whole of the US Army. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I am guessing that really isn't the case.

In fact there is evidence that not all the US Army believes the OS. Have some fun and do some research on this incorrect and sweeping subjective generalisation. Just because someone wants something to be the case, and says it is, doesn't make it factually accurate. There is plenty of evidence out there which disproves this statement. Try doing a Google search.

Quote: The rich and wealthy believe the OS.
Frankly, this statement belongs in the garbage can. Since you keep saying that truthers have no evidence for their statements, please show me that your own high standards of statements supported by evidence proves that this statement is true. I could point you to many sources which prove the falsity of this statement, but I'm not going to. Do some research yourself, prove your own statement is true - or false.

Even if this risible statement were true, which it isn't, so what? This is either totally illogical, or you are basing your argument on a premise that if the 'rich and famous' don't support it, it can't be true. Could you prove that such a premise has any merit?

Frankly, these two unsubstantiated statements alone drain the life out of any desire I might have to discuss this matter with you.

Quote: Where is the truthers support from some really PROMINENT people that are not Muslim?
This statement simply proves that you have not read the 9/11 truth information. For that reason, I'm not going to bother to discuss this with you any further.

9/11 truthers are so used to this kind of unfounded criticism, it's absolutely nothing new, it's very, very common, it happens all the time, it's a tedious fact of life.

This kind of reasoning will have no effect at all on those who are truly searching from the truth, because they want truth, not sweeping, unfounded statements.








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Face it "skeptics" (rofl)

Shyam Sunder, Bazant, Zhou, David Chandler, NIST, all the pundits in the tank, JREF et al....

You all FAILED. The most basic premises of the Official Story are illogical, improbable, and some...IMPOSSIBLE.

Nobody is going anywhere guys. Till then, if I run into Dominick Suter...I'll have him send you all a post card.

Originally posted by Pershing1973
People will never change, I love a good Government cover up but this is just ridiculous. If they wanted to collapse the twin towers wouldn't car bombs at the base made far more sense. Would have saved all the trouble of inventing passengers, hiding aircraft and answering questions on whether a plane strike at the top could of toppled the twin towers.

Lets be honest if you wanted them to crash to the floor, isn't an aviation method a bit far fetched. If this was a conspiracy where are these planes? How did nobody see them being disposed of? What happened to the so called passengers and relatives? Has anyone a shred of proof that these planes were switched? If so who piloted them? Why would they do it?

Before I look at the possibility of demolition charges I would like the above answered with some evidence.

When Yousef did the truck bomb in 1993, he would have suceeded if he would had picked a better parking spot.
But he picked the place with the most concrete. If he would have parked by a different pillar, it would have destroyed
all of New York by hitting the other Tower by falling over instead of straight down. But to really make sure, two trucks.

The term "skeptic" has officially been pimped and hacked by pseudo intellectualized college grads who see "skepticism" like a club or a gang. Many of them claim logic but adhere to so many logical fallacies of debate, it's dizzying.

Especially appeals/arguments from authority. Boy do they love that one.

Stop hacking skepticism, it's embarrassing.

You'd have to be either mentally inept or blindly trusting to believe the official story of 911. In either case, that is your own problem. I feel sorry for you. On the other hand, you probably don't know any better. Of course, you're on THIS site, so I would think you'd have SOME common sense...which makes your lack of such things so much more disturbing. The real folks behind this tragedy counted on people like the OP to believe everything they're told by the MSM and our elected officials and attempt to force it upon others, despite things like logic and reason. It seems a fragile way to carry out a plan, but its been proven to work time and again. Never underestimate the ignorance of mankind or their compulsion to believe what they're told as though it were fact - whether it makes sense and stands up to reason or not.

Those who believe the official story of what happened on September 11th do so in SPITE of the facts, not BECAUSE of them.

Originally posted by franspeakfree
I would start off in no particular order with the following to gain a better understanding of just how the life that has been kept from us actually works.

1. The 12th Planet, New York: Harper, 1976, ISBN 038039362X
2. The Stairway to Heaven, 1980, Avon Books (Bear & Company, 1992, ISBN 0939680890; Harper, 2007,
3. The Wars of Gods and Men, 1985, Avon Books (Bear & Company, 1992, ISBN 0939680904)
4. The Lost Realms, Avon Books, 1990, ISBN 0-380-75890-3
5. When Time Began, 1993, (Harper, 2007, ISBN 006137928X, ISBN 978-0061379284)
6. The Cosmic Code, Avon Books, 1998, ISBN 0-380-80157-4
7. The End of Days: Armageddon and Prophecies of the Return, William Morrow, 2007, ISBN
8. Fingerprints of the gods 1995
9. Supernatural: Meeting with the Ancient Teachers of Mankind. London: Century. ISBN 1844136817.
10.Nineteen eightyfour
11.Terra Papers
12. An introduction to the book of the dead
13. Dead Sea Scrolls

So do you honestly expect me to read these 13 pieces of literature to respond to you?
What am I expected to understand if I read all these things?