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I like this idea! It is responsible, most of the time reverable, and it is empowering, esp in the above scenerio.
Originally posted by sticky
Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by sticky
There you go Sticky.......PROBLEM SOLVED !!!!
Thank You
ok girls....off your birth control pills, the men finally realised a vasectomy solves the abortion and pregnancy issue so now we no longer have to worry about birth control.
Now Sticky...STDs?
Yeah, you wear a condom, maybe two if she looks like a whore. STD's don't have anything to do with this issue. It's pretty clear that the man in the OP isn't going to win his case. Like I said, get a vasectomy and keep that information to yourself. It's not her right to know that you can't have kids.
I've heard a few stories about women confronting men that they are pregnant, only to find out that the man they hoped to be it's father was, in fact, sterile.
edit on 17-9-2010 by sticky because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by AzoriaCorp
Originally posted by sticky
Men, if you don't want any kids, just get a vasectomy. It can be reversed if you change your mind. It's not 100%, but quite successful in many cases.
You keep that information to yourself. Nobody needs to know that you are sterile. Not even your current sexual partner.
I've heard it called "the perfect crime" before, and it does seem to be.
edit on 17-9-2010 by sticky because: I like editing my posts!
More failed logic. Ok, women, just get a hysterectomy if you dont want to get pregnant.
Of course it is, as it is the males choice to engage in pregnancy producing behavior. You are saying if she cannot afford it she can choose to abort. If she has it and cannot afford it tough because the man get soff scott free. No way is this scenerio anywhere near right. It 100 percent gives the man a free waltz while leaving the woman two agonizingly difficult choices. Both knew the outcomes involved in engaging in sex yet one can just walk away and never look back.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by DoomsdayRex
FINANCIAL care.
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
So you are advocating forced abortion.
That's ridiculous! No one is forcing her to have an abortion. It's totally her choice.
Originally posted by HunkaHunka
At the end of the day... if you feel like forcing anyone to take responsibility is a good idea this means you have deeper issues.
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
I like this idea! It is responsible, most of the time reverable, and it is empowering, esp in the above scenerio.
Originally posted by sticky
Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by sticky
There you go Sticky.......PROBLEM SOLVED !!!!
Thank You
ok girls....off your birth control pills, the men finally realised a vasectomy solves the abortion and pregnancy issue so now we no longer have to worry about birth control.
Now Sticky...STDs?
Yeah, you wear a condom, maybe two if she looks like a whore. STD's don't have anything to do with this issue. It's pretty clear that the man in the OP isn't going to win his case. Like I said, get a vasectomy and keep that information to yourself. It's not her right to know that you can't have kids.
I've heard a few stories about women confronting men that they are pregnant, only to find out that the man they hoped to be it's father was, in fact, sterile.
edit on 17-9-2010 by sticky because: (no reason given)
It also falls under male reproductive rights.
That's ridiculous! No one is forcing her to have an abortion. It's totally her choice.
Originally posted by mayertuck
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
Originally posted by sticky
Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by sticky
Unless of course she says no sex if he wears a condom. not a real right, granted I say that should be a deal breaker to begin with, but were not talking about making smart decisions, were talking about rights.
Originally posted by KILL_DOGG
reply to post by joechip
I'm a man and a father and this is utter idiocy. The man is not being descriminated against in any way. If the father takes the child after it is born, the mother is required to pay child support just like in the vica versa case. So the argument is null. Men are not being treated any differently and I think the entire basis for the argument is unfounded and....well....stupid.
However,I do think that a woman should be required to have the father sign a waiver before being allowed to have an abortion that isn't medically required or induced by rape. An old girlfriend of mine, whom I got pregnant back in college, had an abortion, but never told me. I had to find out through a mutual friend. That's something that has bothered me for years. I would have gladly taken the child and absolved her of any responsibility for it, or if she could not have been swayed I could have at least been there to offer her support through what must have been a very stressfull situation.
Originally posted by sticky
Originally posted by mayertuck
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
Originally posted by sticky
Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by sticky
Unless of course she says no sex if he wears a condom. not a real right, granted I say that should be a deal breaker to begin with, but were not talking about making smart decisions, were talking about rights.
Why would any man agree to put themselves into that kind of a risk situation? Are we really that horny? Don't answer that, we really are. But, that would be an unwise decision on thier part. Find another mate, plain and simple.
I'm not really sure where I stand in the debate. I do somewhat believe that I should have more rights in the issue, but, its never going to happen.
edit on 17-9-2010 by sticky because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by Loki Lyesmyth
Loki
I hear this story all too often......your quote "HUGE" payments. Exactly what HUGE payments is your friend paying just for ONE child per month?
Funny that...a couple of friends of mine said the same about the HUGE payments they were paying in child support until one of their ex wives (also a friend of mine) showed me her CSA statement she was getting $9.60 a month (not a week, a MONTH!) in child support. The other was only paying $360.00 a month for 3 children - thats $120.00 per month per child. Another just recently told me she was getting $29.00 a month for 3 children. Now all ex husbands are doing VERY well for themselves however they're all self employed. Cooking the books, no doubt.
Got my drift?
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
FINANCIAL care.
Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by mayertuck
I was being cynical
Originally posted by sticky
How is that at all failed logic?
I'm a man! This idea comes from a MAN! Not a woman.
Nobody is putting a gun to your head to do it. You choose to.
Originally posted by Hedera Helix
reply to post by KILL_DOGG
What kind of child support should a man expect from a woman who works in housekeeping at a hotel/motel???