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Originally posted by hotbakedtater
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
Exactly why abortion exists, it is a responsible choice and a valid one. If a man does not want a child he cn choose to only have sex with women he would have as mothers for his child or use what is in his arsenal of preventative measures. If a woman doesnt want a kid she has hte choice to abstain or use birth control, which for her arsenal includes abortion.
It is not a woman's way of eschewing responsibility because it is a valid legal reproductive choice she has available to her.
Prevent means stop. if I am no longer pregnant I stopped pregnancy/prevented pregnancy.
Originally posted by TarzanBeta
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
No thanks since I am correct, why would I want to change? I am pregnant, I abort, it prevented the pregnancy. See above post of mine too.
Originally posted by TarzanBeta
reply to post by hotbakedtater
hotbakedtater- - I know what you mean, but for the sake of semantics, I would change your post to say "preventing birth" and not "preventing pregnancy".
If you GOT PREGNANT, you didn't prevent it.
???
That's like saying that a bullet was dug out of a guy's head, so they prevented him from getting shot.
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
What facts would those be? My feelings do not interfere with the facts at hand.
Originally posted by mayertuck
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
Then I have a fallacy, I am only human. I have feelings, especially on this topic. Does it negate my points because I am passionate about the subject?
Originally posted by mayertuck
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
reply to post by mayertuck
Another misrepresentation. I don't do personal attacks of other members. What I am engaging in called debate. I am presenting my case, and responding to opposing points.
if you are practicing debate, then why all the fallacies? To debate you argue the points and nothing else. Feelings and emotions should not be part of the equation.
Last time I looked this is not a formal judged debate.
And you know its perfectly ok to have feelings on a subject, what you gotta do is be able to put those feelings aside and see all points of an argument. That is the only way to solve anything. Have you read my first post and saw how I came to my conclusions? If not please go read it. I too have strong feelings on it, but I do not let those feelings interfere with the facts of the matter at hand.
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
reply to post by mayertuck
A woman is stepping up when she aborts. Reproductive rights are different than individual rights, as females and males have different reproductive rights and the same individual rights. Their reproductive rights will and should only be equal when their reproductive organs ar the same for both genders.
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
Their reproductive rights will and should only be equal when their reproductive organs ar the same for both genders.
Originally posted by sticky
Men, if you don't want any kids, just get a vasectomy. It can be reversed if you change your mind. It's not 100%, but quite successful in many cases.
You keep that information to yourself. Nobody needs to know that you are sterile. Not even your current sexual partner.
I've heard it called "the perfect crime" before, and it does seem to be.
edit on 17-9-2010 by sticky because: I like editing my posts!
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
I am sorry you are correct her reproductive rights have not been trampled. But why would you advocate a scenerio in which an innocent baby is put into a negative position of having their rights trampled, particularly the child's right to be supported by both halves of the dna soup that created it?
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
I am sorry you are correct her reproductive rights have not been trampled. But why would you advocate a scenerio in which an innocent baby is put into a negative position of having their rights trampled, particularly the child's right to be supported by both halves of the dna soup that created it?
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I think the man shouldn't be forced to care for a child that he didn't want. I know he should have chosen not to have sex if he didn't want the child, but so should she. And if SHE has an out, I think he should, too.
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
reply to post by mayertuck
There is no need to remedy male reproductive rights, they already have them.
Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by sticky
There you go Sticky.......PROBLEM SOLVED !!!!
Thank You
ok girls....off your birth control pills, the men finally realised a vasectomy solves the abortion and pregnancy issue so now we no longer have to worry about birth control.
Now Sticky...STDs?
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
So you are advocating forced abortion.