Target Iran: The real reason behind the bullseye pegged on Iran

very very good article, very near reality as it is and not as we perceive it or as the powers in place want us to perceive and believe it ...
this whole world is based on lies and cheating by the powers in place, let it be the political ones or the church ....
the day that we, the people of the world, will have an answer about all this questions and lies and see reality as it is in reality, not in their fiction manipulation of the minds, I am sure we will live in a much more quiet, serene, human world !!!

so get up and look for real reality, brake down all the lies, ask for answers, brake down this virtual manipulated pseudo-reality facade !!!!
we can do it !! yes we can !! but therefore we have to do an effort to think, to analyze, to study, just like we do here now !!!!
I have to repeat myself all the time : we live in a neo-capitalist, neo-liberal, conservativ society where the powers in place are NOT elected to take care for us the people but only for the big corporations and the wealthy people, to make themselves and their nice friends as rich as possible !! they do not care about the people, only will they do when this people get very very angry and brakes down their monopolistic power on us the slaves !!
( also there is much to learn about all this neo-capitalism, neo-liberal economics, by reading about Ernest Mandel, a Belgian professor economics, very famous in the world but only in economic sphere, he was from the 4th International ( socialist ), and a Trotskist ( Trotsky was murdered by Stalin, doesn't that say a lot about his fiability ??? ).
So long live also WIKILEAKS !!!! all truth must come thru !!! we have to know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING !!! it is our right, it is OUR world not theirs
!!!!!! Long live also ATS !!!

I personally think why the US is occupying the area and Israel is the most powerful and Islam is the most prevelant is because TPTB are trying to take over the holy land, and make their own Sion. The only reason why is because of the fact that the bible says the holy land is from the Nile River to the Euphrates River and look at the israeli flag, a blue line on top (Euphrates) and a blue line on bottom (Nile) and the HEXagram in the middle...

i like to look at symbols more than a bunch of mumbo jumbo news and facts.

reply to post by gravitational


Let me tell you a little story about the Jews.... on second thought, I AM too lazy so i'll let this link do the talking....
www.biblegateway.com...

Over all, I give this thread an 8/10, mostly for the effort of you all at least trying to understand beyond your own back yard....

[edit on 8/25/2010 by pjl_u2]

It's far easier to procuce nuclear weapon than it was in the 1940's and 1950's, which the Media and most of the public base their knowledge to produce a nuclear weapon. You don't need as much uranium or plutonium as you did in the 40's & 50's. Most people think of nagasaki & hiroshima(atomic fission) when a nuclear explosion hits a city, but in fact today it would be much worse because Iran is seeking thermo-nuclear weapon(atomic-fusion). Nobody wants Iran to acheive nuclear weapons. If they Iran does achieve this it will most likely result in a middle east nuclear arms race. Iran is predominatly a #e muslim country. Jordan, Kuwait, Saudia Arabia, and Turkey are Sunni muslims. These countries probably would all seek nuclear weapons to counter Iran. What would be their deterrent? Not the U.N or U.S. because they now know neither would step in, because of in-actions in Iran.
viewzone2.com...

Wasn't it Brezinsky who laid-out the map of "securing oil-flow"in the middle-east?
Cannot find it now, but all warring in Afghanistan seems actually to be poised towards a pipe-line straight to Iran and also connecting the rest of the oil-pits around the black sea. TPTB need a docile/conquered Iran to fill this pipe-line me thinks..

it's all rather sickening to be honest. Crap like this constantly remind us how our "freedom" isn't exactly what You'd think. That politics is one giant yellow-brick road we are not allowed to travel on, might we discover the men behind the curtains.

reply to post by airspoon


"The truth of the matter is that Iran elected Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and
unlike the US, Iran doesn't have unaccountable electronic voting
machines, nor do they probably have dirty tactics to cheat the electoral
system, as we do."

Couldn't agree more; flag and star my friend. Too bad they don't issue
oak leaf clusters around here... this OP deserves a batch. For the electoral
process, you and Deevy Kidd are both shredding the X-ring.

I still personally believe the first step in taking our country back should
start with a media purge; then turn the voting machines into some
downrange artifacts for plinking. I can dream, but insist on talking in my
sleep too. Somebody's always within earshot who may not laugh.

reply to post by airspoon

"The Western media talks of me saying I would like to destroy a nation off the map.But Israel has already destroyed a nation. It is called Palestine" --Ahmadinejad

Its nice to see you and your Iranian buddy don't even know history. Deny Ignorance!!!

Palestine was never and will never be a NATION. Palestine was a REGION in biblical times and it encompassed most of the modern day middle east.

I love how ignorant people use the Palestine claim to fool other ignorant people into thinking Israel somehow stole a nation from another.

The Brits took it from Turkey during WW ll and GAVE some of the land of Israel back to the rightful Jewish owners. The Brits also gave the land of Jordan to the Arabs but that wasn't enough, they cant live in peace with anyone let alone Jews. The Jews then took most of it back by force ONLY AFTER THE ARABS attacked Israel not once but THREE times.

Try and learn history before you post this ignorant babel.

reply to post by Sky watcher


You are correct that the rightful ownership of the land should be studied.

But as this article tries to show it is no easy task, and actually I don't think it's possible to come to a conclusion.

My view is that the creation and subsequent voracity of Israel has been and will continue to be painful for Jews.

This link gives the numbers of Jews killed and moved out of neighbouring states as a result of the division created by the creation of Israel.

Extreme Zionism will lead to the eventual destruction of Israel.

Before Israel was created Muslims and Jews lived side by side and had done for thousands of years. Now they are at each others throats. The difference is Israel which causes so much resentment among it's neighbours.



[edit on 29-8-2010 by bigyin]

The Israeli government is not interested in peace. They are nothing more than a bunch of Nazis. A case of how the worm has turned. Hatred begets hatred, just as ignorance begets ignorance. But then what do you expect when you put a bunch of sociopaths in power.

reply to post by airspoon


some members may find what i share to be a source of material related to this thread.

some members may find this to be totally unrelated.

i have been studying psyop tactics for well over a decade now.
i have been studying neural linguistic programming for about the same amount of time.

neuro = of the mind (thought patterns / cellular & instinctual pre-cepts)

linguistics = words, and communication.

programming = manipulation, influencing, and controlling the actions, behaviors, intentions, and opinions of others. pysops. like pavlov's dog, except in this case not with bells, rather with subliminal and subconscious suggestions that influence and invoke peoples' emotional responses and subversivly manipulate their thoughts, but not fully recognized or acknoweledged by the conscious mind.

here are some examples, accompanied by how neuro-linguistic programming may be utilized to help paint a target on iran:

are we conditioned to recognize patterns and codes in words?

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/7fdcfce6ba0b.png[/atsimg]

but i could be wrong, this may just all be a bunch of science fiction (insert Twilight Zone theme music here)


there was this guy (sir) who created and wrote the script for (grew/grown) a television show that was weird (odd) called the Twilight Zone (Dream Land).

another example of neuro linguistics, perhaps:







[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/7770d6d90501.png[/atsimg]

again, members are free to believe the possibilities of what they choose to believe is possible or even plausible...

[edit on 3-9-2010 by Esoteric Teacher]

reply to post by bigyin


Excellent find, bigyin. Cecil E. Maranville certainly pulled the rug out from below anyone claiming first rights. It seems that the whole mess was down to typical mis-management by the British. Nothing new there!

reply to post by bigyin


Dude, I know I'm new here and all, but the part about assuming the holocaust wasn't real just made me have to respond...

have you ever seen the death camps? known people who survived them? well I have! that was no hoax, I like a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, but that's a bit too much even for me... I have been to Dachau (not far from Munich, Germany) when I was a boy, each year, Israeli youths (high-schoolers) go to Aushwitz, I have family members who survived Aushwitz, they managed to jump the train after living through that hell... I can assure you, it's hard to believe that human beings (especially "civilized" humans like the Germans) can do this to other people, but they did... and the same is being done all through the world (Darfur anyone?) the Germans were just much better organized... (being German...)

As for Israel being a front post of the US... well... you should remember that this wasn't always the case, up until the late 60's the US wasn't really all that supportive (i.e. the 56 war, where Israel, France and Britain fought against Egypt after Nasser decided to nationalize the Suez Canal - the joint forces withdrew after US pressure). We are all being manipulated one way or another... but dude, that's one giant leap your taking here... (don't everyone flame me at once).

I encourage you to brush up on history - not everything is a conspiracy theory...

reply to post by bigyin


Some more history for you:

1) Palestine was the (mis-spelled) name that the Romans gave Israel after they have destroyed the second temple in 70AD (They renamed the province after the Philistines which were a people from the Agean sea which were the "mortal" enemies of the jewish people). The Romans did so to erase the connection of Jews to the land, they also built a temple for their own gods on what was left of the Jewish temple (not far from where the dome of the rock stands today)

2) When the Mamluks controlled the area, followed by the Ottomans after them, Israel was a very backwards area, and was not very important (BTW Jerusalem is not mentioned in the Koran... checked out Dr. Mordechai Kedar), and since 70AD until basically the foundation of the state of Israel, there were Jews living throughout the country (mostly in Hebron, Zfat, Tiberia and other places, Gaza among them, there was a very ancient synagogue there, which now houses a mosque...)

3) In 1917, when the British occupied the area from the Turks (i.e. Ottomans), and the Mandate was established, they, in Nov. 29th, 1917, issued the Balfour Proclamation, stating that Jews will receive a national home in that territory. This was later affirmed and re-affirmed in a host of other international treaties (specifically in the 1920's and later). However, due to Arab resistance and political interests, the area which was assigned to the Jews kept being downsized... until what we had in 1947 with the Partition agreement (which as you know, the Arabs rejected, and the Jews - accepted, despite not liking it much)

4) Jews and Arabs didn't live all that well together, there were numerous "pogroms" against Jews throughout the arab world (in Yemen, Spain and other places), Jews were prosecuted, and lived as "Di'mi" which is a term used for "secondhand citizens". It is true that in some Arab nations, Jews managed to amass wealth and influence, but that usually happened in the less Muslim countries (Iraq and others).

5) Jews in Iran are a prosecuted minority, it is true that there are jews in the Maglis (the Iranian parliament) but that is more to show off than anything real, Jews live there in fear... prosecution, just a couple of years ago, several jews were thrown in Jail for now reason.

6) It might be true that the entire thing against Iran is not about nuclear weapons, I've read in some places that they don't have much, it's just the Arab way of sounding strong by pounding on their chest and say "we have weapons! we're strong" that Saddam did (look where it got him...) however, it is true that their PM has stated that Israel should be wiped out (several times) not everything is broadcasted to you guys...

And to the other poster who said Israel doesn't want peace (and that it's a bunch of Nazi's - seriously? seriously?), as someone who lives in Israel, lost friends and family members in several wars, I tell you from the bottom of my heart, we all want peace, it's only a matter of the cost - I don't think there's a conflict on earth where the victorious side had to BEG for peace... the US/UK/Russia didn't beg for peace from Germany after WWII, neither did the UK/France after WWI... there are so many crazy aspects here that one's mind might blow up...

reply to post by Esoteric Teacher


Thank you for your presentation, however I believe the connections you are making, are a stretch to say the least. I'm not saying they are wrong, only that it isn't nearly enough to convince me that something is there. For instance, airspoon = Rap Noise (add the "e") but the "e" is special because it stands for "essential" and this word has 9 letters. You then have two words, Rap and Noise so 1 and 1 and you add that to the 9 letters of "essential" and you have 9/11. Does this mean that Rap Noise caused 9/11 and I must have known about it the whole time, seeing how "airspoon" is my name?

Also:

Usama Bin Laden = Alas, Nine dad bum
Does this mean that 9 dads are bums or does this mean that 9 bums mugged dad?

As much as I respect your argument, statistics actually play against such a theory. Odds are, you can jumble letters in one word, to make all sorts of different words. Furthermore, why would English be dominant? It isn't even the most widely spoken language, as the Spanish language takes that honor.

Also, the spelling of words like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Usama Bin Laden, are only spelled in our alphabet phonetically, as they are from another alphabet all together. I believe both names are from Arabic, though Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is Persian. I'm not sure of the etymology behind both last names but I do know they aren't related to English.

In other words, it's a stretch and a coincidence. When you revert these names into their native alphabets, I'm sure you can get all kinds of even different words with them. For the names intended for our own alphabet, you can literally pick all kinds of words that they will spell with the same letters.



--airspoon

reply to post by ender_shadow


Firstly to answer your question, no I havn't seen the death camps. Nor do I wish to see them.

Now where did I say anything about the holocaust ?

You say you live in Israel. Has it ever occurred to you that having been brought up there you might have been fed a certain point of view ? There was a tv program I saw recently which followed some Israeli children and showed how they were taken to Aushwitch etc .... it was laughable to see the way they were brainwashed from birth to believe evryone is out to get them. Seriously you need to leave Israel and go and live in a part of the world not concerned with sectarianism. There you will find a completely different take on things, and, after a while you will come to realise just how your entire view of the world has been carefully crafted by your leaders.

In a nutshell, you have been and are being conned.

It is fascinating to hear you complain about Nazi attrocities, and yet at the same time from your window you can witness the same attrocities being inflicted upon citizens of Gaza by your beloved countrrymen. Please take time to consider the hypocrocy you are portraying.

I will respond to your second post here if I may.

You begin by offering some additional history. All well and good. However I gave up paying any attention to what you are saying because early into your post you decsend into personal opinion about what has taken place.

Historical facts are fine, but not when mixed with personal conjecture. But you see this is probably part of the same problem being brought up in Israel. Facts go out the window and are replaced with propoganda and lies which you and other Israelis come to believe as facts.

In essence you are living in Lala Land.

reply to post by airspoon


Good post. Although I have seen these arguments and issues discussed before, you have made a good job of presenting the oil/dollar/reserve issue.

The only thing is, I think that this story is incomplete without looking at how this situation ties in with China, and Russia, for that matter.

For instance, recently, Obama made that speech setting out his major re-build and regeneration projects, including that rail network expansion/upgrade. Within hours, I was reading about how China had announced their own major rail project, not an internal one (they already have some fairly amazing developments there), no, no, they are going to build a high-speed link to Iran - and then eventually to London...a new 'Silk Road' - only I'm guessing silk won't be top of the cargo list? We have also been reading about various other Chinese ventures in Iran, not least their new high-tech missile production factory.

Now I may be wrong, but that rail story/release seemed to me to be more than just another hint from China about their fiscal/logistical strengths, but was also revealing about their continued pursuit of influence and control in certain regions (China-Iran via Pakistan, Afghanistan)- pretty much all of which, as we now know (ask Mr Geitner) probably ought to be viewed currently as an increasingly hostile and challenging stance to the USA. In short, I think it was a two fingers to Obama's rail PR, and with an added measure of: 'and here's to your oil/dollar and middle eastern ambitions too'.

China have spent a couple of years dropping heavy hints, and indeed making real things happen gathering international groups together (and proposing alternative models at the UN?) that they are keen to see the dollar replaced as the default reserve currency, and so perhaps we should be viewing their influence on Iran re: oil trading (as you have laid out) as part of a bigger picture, i.e. NOT Iran acting unilaterally on it's own - I think there is a pattern and the momentum appears to me to flow from the East...

Originally posted by airspoon
reply to post by Perseus Apex

 

It doesn't matter who controls what currency. I too happen to believe that those who control the European currency, also control the US currency, however the system of influence over the international commodities market is designed by the control of the USD.

... They did this to pry control away from the elites, in an effort to disperse control of the international oil market and the rest of the commodities as a whole.

Currencies aren't independent.

--airspoon

I agree Airspoon.

The argument by Perseus is that there is neither gain nor loss to the elites by switching commodity markets from dollars to euro's, because the same group control both currencies.

OK - Perseus, you are correct in saying they control both currencies - but they will lose a great deal if commodity trading is switched to euro's.

The main thing they will lose is the US military. The US military is funded on international credit that is available only because the $US is interchangeable with oil and other commodities. So, if the dollar is no longer critical for trade, then why continue to fund the US war machine? Nations will stop doing it - there is no comparable force in the EU that the banksters can use - so they lose control.

reply to post by Esoteric Teacher


I have never seen more concocted, disparate and tenuous pile of .. information .. assembled as 'evidence' since the official 911 report.

Try again.

Originally posted by texxlnghorn
Nobody wants Iran to acheive nuclear weapons.

Nobody? I do - I wish they had 1,000 nukes - then Israel would keep its fkn mouth shut, and the region would be 100% stable.

Originally posted by GhostLancer
reply to post by Thepreye

 

--Thanks! I've been noticing a coincidental pattern in Hollywood that I'm sure others have as well. It's a fact that our military/industrial complex has its tendrils deep in movies and TV. Further, at some higher level, the elitists do as well.

I don't quite know how to respond to this - I guess for many people your idea might be new, or even radical ..

For anyone with a brain that works, and can think at all - your statements are so far understated as to be laughable.

The mainstream movies and TV are social conditioning and propaganda - almost purely - propaganda isn't 'sprinkled' - it is the main ingredient. Much of this I feel is done unconsciously, because the people creating these things have simply been immersed in the entire propaganda soup since childhood schooling (which is also 99% propaganda and lies).

TV and movies are designed to make you think, believe and act a certain way - and to think that is natural, normal and acceptable.