reply to post by beebs
I have seen many times where people on ATS do not understand the reasons that groups such as the Guardians of the Free Republic do the things they do
- and using legal terms such as de jure and de facto to declare the current gov't(corporation) actions null and void.
I'm curious as to your opinion on the 'Sovereignty' movement/ 'GOTFR' movement?
I feel these people are on a better track, but not quite the right one, because they too are failing to deal with the 800 pound guerilla in the room.
They harbor the illusion that the Founders actually won the Revolution and at some point our Constitutional Form of Government actually worked.
The truth is that the Founders were part of a Masonic and Rosicrucian Conspiracy to create a New Atlantis, which is really a euphemism for a new Rome.
They competed against Protestant Christians for power that are another dominant faction, yet because Christianity as we know it was put forth by Rome,
this is also a Roman faction even though they themselves don’t understand that they are and will disagree with it.
So what went on behind the scenes between the Mason/Rosicrucian Faction and the Christian Faction are details mostly overlooked and obscured at this
The third faction was just people looking to survive and enjoy some kind of freedom in an uncertain and often hostile and fluid environment of a new
world and nation, who really were out just to survive and didn’t care.
The founders did obscure from the public the debts that they agreed to pay in order for England, Europe’s and Rome’s blessing and permission to
manage the new nation. The nation was actually named by Prince George using his powers as a Prince Elector of the Holy Roman Empire.
This led to the enterprise having a hard time getting off the ground, and as the founders died out, and many of these secrets with them, a new more
independent minded group of politicians ended up inciting the War of 1812 through their failure to make good on the obligations to England, Europe and
Rome the founders had agreed to in the Treaty of Paris. Once again History obscures this.
Yet at Ghent at the conclusion of the War once again the critical agreements that had been kept under seal by Congress regarding the debt and the
chain of command for the nation came out on the table and our delegation acquiesced once again and submitted to England and Rome’s demands. While
the Holy Roman Empire dissolved on paper, the original Roman Empire has never gone out of business and uses the Vatican and the Catholic Church as a
In the aftermath of Ghent when a new crop of politicians had to explain their submission to these foreign powers in the Treaty, they let it be known
what the Founders had saddled them with. This led to a whole backlash against the Masonic movement and many lodges were abandoned and burned to the
The debt we were obligated was so severe the first attempt at secession by the South occurred during this time period, as they cited that Northeastern
Bankers were manipulating the currency and the debt so it could never be paid off.
Andrew Jackson famously talked them out of seceding in a famed joint session of Congress, yet the discord remained.
When the Second United States Bank charter was allowed to expire as a result of the political pressure against these obligations the bankers all but
ruined the economy through hyperinflation before releasing the strangle hold, but with in 40 years Southern Frustration with the Bankers and
Industrialists in the North and their close ties to Europe and Rome led to them wanting to secede at any and all costs, and the eventual military
imposition of what Europe and Rome wanted that lasts to this day.
So the freeman movement, the patriots, etc, are in fact all pursuing a myth that never existed in the first place, except in a theory sold by
politicians who were actually double dealing and defeating those notions behind the citizens back.
It’s always been a struggle since day one, because no administration except for Jackson’s has ever tried to come to grips with the fact that we
are not yet, and have never been a sovereign nation. Jackson came close to pulling it off but the Bankers ultimately pulled the rug out beneath him.
The banking cartels wealth emanates from Rome. That is why the Rothschild Family has Papal Titles and gets to use the Papal Crest and insignia, its
Rome’s money. While the Roman State did collapse the patricians who had long before had all it’s wealth filtered into their hands did not. They
are the Shadow Government.
Where many people get confused is King Henry and the Church of England, but the truth is that the Church of England is still based on the Roman
principles of Christianity, it just allows for localized control and administration of the system, but the wealth still flows back to Rome.
As long as the Roman Elites and their Blood Lines survive, and they control the resources and the wealth, no revolution is going to succeed any better
than our first one.
People fail to understand that the Pope in 1490 decreed through Papal Bulla that everything west of the Canary Islands yet to be discovered is
property of Rome. He simply allowed the Kings of Aragon and Spain to divide that amongst them selves to rule it as vassals, Rome’s agents.
They also forget William the Conqueror pledged England and all it would ever own to Rome in exchange for the Pope’s blessing.
So America was never ever England’s as a result to grant independence too, which is why you will see when you read the Treaty of Paris and
understand the language of it, that the English Monarch gave up his claims to it as an English Monarch, but did not give up his claims as a Roman
Prince, Prince Elector, and Arch-Treasurer.
Various subterfuges create the illusion that all of this was rectified long ago, yet one thing remains clear, every notable entity on earth is a bound
party to the United Nations save one, Vatican City, which can observe but is not bound by anything the United Nations or anything that it’s sister
agencies like the World Bank or World Health Organization do.
So the truth is that the 800 pound guerilla that no one wants to deal with because they are too busy pursuing myths and illusions is the unholy
trinity of the City States, Washington D.C. the District of London, and Vatican City all of which exist as corporate entities not bound by laws of the
nations they exist within.
There will be no real freedom until Rome is defeated once and for all, and Rome is not threatened because most people don’t know it’s never
stopped ruling the world and running it.
By the way there is a reason so many of our legal terms are in Latin!
[edit on 6/8/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]