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posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 01:42 AM
I think the better idea would be to have a massive agreement by the people of this country to refuse to do things like pay Federal taxes. Are they going to throw all of us in jail?

What you've done seems to work in theory, but I don't know. That's a little chunk of people out of work. I think the problem needs to be attacked another way, instead of businesses folding. That could leave people in starvation situations.

This is why we protest, we write senators, sign petitions. We let the government know we are not going to lay down for them, and we will kick out the bums who threaten our country.

See what you've done is take your money, nothing wrong with being rich by the way, and pulled it to you and a small select group of people. Those people who worked for you were out of a job. One less company generating income. You were helping people with the work you had for them. Now, it doesn't exist anymore. If you wanted to change things for these people you could have done something like become vocal about what is happening, put a petition together, something. Get the word out. You just stopped doing anything.

You can beautify what you did all you want, but it still has a selfish feel to it.

I don't defend Obama care, or some of the sleazy stuff our government does, but dammit we don't fight the system by putting people out of work in the process.

Business can work, it can work now, and it can work in the future. We have to be willing to fight for it. When my business takes off, I myself, plan to give back.


posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 01:44 AM
reply to post by Phedreus


I don't know what to say, other than that you don't seem to have much compassion for people that will run out of choices based on your own political ideals.

Congrats I guess.

posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 01:53 AM
and what if anything does your post have to do with conspiracy theory ?

to me it just seems like your bitching at the way the government turned out , and how you shafted 187 people because you didnt have enough money to wipe your horses ass on your ranch when you retire.

Its one thing to have money , its another to brag about it to the world , especially when you mention you put 187 people out of work.

your a great credit to society

posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 02:01 AM
reply to post by sapien82

Don't be so hard on the OP, after all this is what most small bussinesses are doing because they simply cannot compete with the big guys, and they're being taxed up the whazoo which most small business owners can't afford, while the giant industries are getting frikking bailouts, that's what happened. but all too soon the cards are going to topple and guess what the money anyone has isn't going to be worth the Toilet Paper we wipe our A***** with!!!!
It's coming and I have thought about doing the same thing if I ever get to find another job, the buying alot of land part, I am not a business owner and wouldn't be displacing jobs, but I thought about the same thing buying a farm and going off the grid. Only I know that I could spend every bit of my cash on the land and save not a dime because in a matter of a few short years, it won't be worth squat, so I intended on raising animals and growing produce, and living off that food and selling the surplus (bartering when the money system colapses) to get by. He's smart but he did seem a little smug in the OP, however he did clarify that he didn't mean to come off that way.

[edit on 20-7-2010 by ldyserenity]

posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 02:03 AM
Unfortunately, your sarcasm seems to be lost on most of the people responding to your thread. I get it. I get that this is so completely frustrating and sickening to you that you have no other choice. For that, I'm sorry. I wish I could say it'll get better eventually. I don't see that. I am 34 years old, and in my lifetime I have seen the virtual destruction of a once-great nation. I have seen it on the news from a global scale and I have seen it hit my neighbors and even myself on a most personal scale. I hope and pray to God that there is still hope for this country, but I fear that judgment is upon us.

May God bless you and your family as well as the 187 families that, sadly, will have their lives completely turned upside-down. I wish you all the best.

posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 02:06 AM
In a small town or big city, I would think there would be some sort of news article in reference to a 30 year old business laying off 187 people and closing its doors. Do you have a link? If not your fictitious tale was rather entertaining.

posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 02:37 AM
So you decided to just close the doors and put 187 people out of work, rather than put the effort into finding a buyer for your business and keeping them all employed?

While I feel for your need to protect your income and your family, you also have a certain responsibility to those workers who helped you to build your business and your fortune. A good manager / business owner would have found alternatives for those workers. As the cliche goes, "with great power comes great responsibility". You have chosen to ignore your responsibility.

Either the business was failing and selling was not an option, or you're just inherently selfish. You'd rather close the doors than make extra cash through the sale of the business to someone else willing to make a go of it.

This will have a major impact on whatever community that you call home, and you will be largely talked about and likely largely hated throughout the community for what you have done.

I hope you can live with yourself and your family, because it's not likely the community will be there to help you if you need it.

Karma is usually instant, and vengeful. 187 might come back to haunt you. Look it up in the penal code.

posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 02:43 AM
reply to post by Phedreus

I have structured my assets and earnings in such a way that I have made sure that when my wife and I reach 62.5 yrs we will receive all the social security benefits we are entitled to.

Hey, good for you! With that being said, it will now be my hard earned money that will be paying your SS benefits. I know, I know, you paid into the SS system but you got ripped off. It isn't my fault that you got ripped off so why should I have to eat your losses? It isn't my generation who is at fault for the government ripping you off, so why then should my generation have to suffer for your subjection?

To complain about all of the "moochers" and "blood suckers" is one thing, but then to turn around and do the same thing is something else entirely. So, go ahead and recieve those SS checks but just know, that it will be you who is the moocher then. Sleep tight!


[edit on 20-7-2010 by airspoon]

posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 02:44 AM
reply to post by ldyserenity

You raise another good point. Why is it that when a big company rolls into town looking to set up a call center that will employ a few hundred people, they get the local city kissing their ass and handing them tax incentives, including but not limited to raising taxes on the local taxpayers to build infrastructure improvements, and selling them commercial land at pennies on the dollar so aforementioned big company can set up shop?

The bailouts happen at both ends.

Where are MY incentives? If I could move to my own building and grow my business, I could employ 6 or 8 more people. I could generate more tax revenue for the city and state. Why can't I buy commercial property for $1.50 a square foot and have the city pay for my electrical and sewage lines? Where the hell is MY incentive package? I can't even get a F***ing loan to do it myself.

Am I too small? Not "important" enough to the local economy? I wouldn't be missed if I closed my doors and tossed my employees out on their asses? I guess.

The bailouts at the head end need to stop, too. Unfortunately, states and cities are vying for the jobs and resultant revenues that those companies will bring, so they kiss their asses to get them to come here rather than go there.

The little guys like me get NOTHING.

posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 02:45 AM

Originally posted by TressPasseR
In a small town or big city, I would think there would be some sort of news article in reference to a 30 year old business laying off 187 people and closing its doors. Do you have a link? If not your fictitious tale was rather entertaining.

Buddy, I think you could find a LOT of links if you did some research.

posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 02:49 AM
When I read posts like these I always think to my self "Maybe it is better if the world just whiped us all out, let the asteroids come let the sun fry us to a crisp.
Seing as we really don't give a filynig fudge about eachother, most of us just care for them self and the rest can rott.
We just don't seem to want to learn.

[edit on 20-7-2010 by Subjective1]

posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 02:54 AM
OP, Good job! I agree with you 100%. After all, you could have had a 500 acre ranch to retire to! Sounds like you got absolutely shafted huh? You talk about moochers and parasites and then you admit that you intend to receive SS. What's more, you then go on to say that you don't even need it to make ends meat, you just want it because your ponies need new saddles or your tv is going out of date. PLEASE.

posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 03:32 AM

Originally posted by Rockpuck

If 187 people lost their jobs.. it wasn't this guys fault, it was the Governments fault. Had they stayed out of his affairs and not taxed every penny, then pile fees on top of it, those 187 wouldn't be in such a situation.

I think he could have 500 employees or MORE right now on full salery if it wasn't for this condemned government and it's authoritarian theft tactics.

I am sorry for the 187 people, but this was a US Govt Hit job on a man and his company of hard workers.

BTW OP, if you ever need any ranch hands let me know

I agree with the other posters worried about them stealing your retirement. Be careful.

Here is the way I see it. I'd rather You have the money than .Gov

You have any plans to get some agriculture or livestock going? If so, mind if i ask what you got planned. I am interested in your strategies. Thanks for sharing buddy.

posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 03:51 AM
I couldn't really understand you OP through all the "me's" and "I's". Pat yourself on the back more because you've obviously amazing! I'm sure your 200 acres will be great when a horde of people take it after the system collapses. People who care are that way --->

posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 04:01 AM
Phedrus, I applaud your actions and wish you well.

Atlas is shrugging quite often as of late.

posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 04:03 AM
WASHINGTON (April 1, 2015) -- In a rare show of bipartisan support, Congress resoundingly passed the controversial Fair Land and and Asset Act, which the president earlier this week called "The last, best hope for over 200 million Americans in personal crisis." Seven years into a crippling global economic slump, the nation continues to reel from widespread civil unrest, long-term unemployment rates that finally surpassed those of the Great Depression last year, and annual interest on government debt now greater than defense spending for the first time in history.

The new law will effectively quintuple real estate taxes on all personal land holdings of over 100 acres, while also allowing for federal seizure "as necessary" of large farms, estates, and ranches for "national food security and the temporary quartering of homless in Economic Emergency Zones (EAZs)." In fiscal 2014, over 80% of all counties in the U.S qualified for EAZ status.

The law also will also impose a one-time 75% "asset tax" on all personal holdings "in whatever form" of individuals with net worths of over $1 million. With the 2014 restrictions on overseas fund movement and travel and the presence of thousands of armed "Grassroots Equality Brigades," escaping the consequences of the new law will be difficult for almost all high-net-worth individuals, say experts.

"A decade ago conservatives would have been up in arms about this, but with 100 million Americans out of work, its a whole new ballgame," said the spokesman of one Wall Street firm. "The silent majority has become the desperate majority, and traditional political stances mean a lot less when your three children are growing up in the back seat of a car."

[edit on 7/20/10 by silent thunder]

posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 04:11 AM
Just letting you know - I fully support your decision. I would have gone even further probably - retired to another country.

posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 04:28 AM
reply to post by FIFIGI

Expatriation is only going to get more difficult as time passes.

If anyone wants to get out, I recommend you begin the process forthwith. It won't be getting any easier.

posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 04:45 AM
Selfish beyond recognition because you obviously don't even recognize it. You're exactly what's wrong with this country. All you think about is yourself and how much money you could have made... just like everyone else. Until people like you stop roaming on this earth, we will always have these problems. Best wishes.... not.

posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 04:51 AM

Originally posted by Exuberant1
reply to post by FIFIGI

Expatriation is only going to get more difficult as time passes.

If anyone wants to get out, I recommend you begin the process forthwith. It won't be getting any easier.

Your right! It's getting harder and harder to migrate to another country and in fact, America has the most friendly immigration policy. We see the problem that many Americans have in legally migrating here.

With that being said, I would never give up on my country. If I had to, I would go down with the ship. This is my country, as it is my neighbor's as well. Sure, I have lived in other countries but I would never give up on my home country, ever. I believe the American idea and that of liberty, is well worth fighting for and if need be, dying for too. If we don't fight tyranny here, it is only a matter of time before you have to fight tyranny wherever it is you go and if you don't, your children will.


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