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posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 02:54 PM
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let's see.

You seem to have mooched off the labor of those who paid for the insterstate highway system you use, the electrical grid, the Centers for Disease Control, ad nauseum. As an employer, I'm certain you got tax breaks and refunds galore over the years, you parasite you. Since you mention 1099s, you don't contribute to your subcontractors in any way other than a straight check, leaving their healthcare up to them (and the rest of us if you didn't pay them enough to afford it on their own).

You didn't mention serving in the military, but if you didn't...well, bud, you are deep in debt to servicepeople, but don't sweat it; screw 'em, they're just moochers and parasites too.

Look: you didn't get where you are all on your own. You took advantage of things other people built and shared with you. You are healthy because of research paid for by everyone. You owe a debt impossible to pay and whine because some was taken from you for the greater good, but not enough to prevent you from living extremely comfortably by your own accounts.

So what's your beef?

You are obviously worth a few million at least...you're complaining because you aren't a billionaire?

Sorry, but as a former business owner, a combat veteran, and educator, someone who has given freely of himself to make a better world, YOU and your ilk are the reason the country's in the crapper: selfish twits who refuse to acknowledge the debt they owe to prior generations and who overcredit themselves for what their employees accomplish on their behalf.

As a combat vet, I'd appreciate it if you moved your sorry butt to elsewhere where the ignorant rich flock to enjoy the fruits of other's labors: I didn't risk my life to give you the freedom to avoid contributing to the system you chose and choose to exploit.



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posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 02:58 PM
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Truly, I cannot keep my mouth shut, I am sorry, but this type of thing is what's ruining the country, not what you did, it's your attitude about the people you employed.
It's that smug, self righteous back slapping of the business owners whom one, think that these 187 employees are drains on society, and WTH does this come from? If they are working there A** off for you, have a good working ethic and are loyal and make YOU money why would you call them losers and moochers? 2.) you business people seem to think that they are dependant on you, when if they are so hard working that even in this economy they will find other work, and being that they have proven that they are in fact WORKERS AND NOT MOOCHERS, They will find some other way, because workers can and do...simple point, we do not owe our living to you guys, if you all dissappeared tomorrow, after singing praises to the LORD, we will all go on and survive because we are workers, simple point.

So take your smugness and really look at who the loser is, here's a hint, you'll need a MIRROR!



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 03:05 PM
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And thank you Apache, for putting in about the military service people, I myself served this country, as well. A good point I totally missed in my post...isn't it sad that more than half of these veterans are destitute, a lot are homeless, yeah that's the thanks we get for keeping these sorry butt people alive and safe!!!!!



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 03:45 PM
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So, the OP goes into business when he can do good for himself.
He recognizes that the game has drastically changed and he is now playing a game that he cannot win, and people are hurt that he is not willing to work many decades more right until the point he dies so he can lose money to the house?
The thing I love about using Logic in an argument is,
If you argue logic you prove yourself to be one of 2 things.
Mods, I respect the T&C therefore i will not say what they are.
If I am in vegas and losing bad at a table, I think I would find another table or just quit al together.



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 03:47 PM
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It isn;t Phedreus' responsibility to keep people working. He did his part over the years by employing these people and (hopefully) giving them good wages and benefits. He was part of what made this country great and now they repay his hard work with the promise of financial struggle and possible bankruptcy. Get off his back!!
To pass Obamacare while the economy is stumbling is pure financial suicide. Nobody can project costs or profit margins with all the insane rules, regulations and taxes included in the bill.
Banks with be loathe to invest capital in small businesses and forget new business start-ups, who can provide any kind of accurate business plan?
It should be plain to everyone that the Obama administration and Congress have thrown America on the sword of hari kari, as to why God only knows but the best hypothesis going is that America must be destroyed to bring it into the New World Order. Sheer stupidity could not have produced such disastrous results.

"Ye shall know them by their fruit" and it is bitter indeed.

Best of luck to you Phedreus. When times get tough you cannot defend a 200 acre ranch by yourself. I hope you have family and friends as they will be greatly needed in the future for pragmatic reasons.

Edit to add - My brother started a business 25 years ago, he has worked 6 or 7 days a week, 12 - 14 hours a day. He is smart and hard working yet he can barely cover costs. He is nearly retirement age yet has little to show for it thanks to the vampiric New york tax code. You are not alone. Nearly every business owner in this country is in the same spot you are. I feel badly for your former employees but I believe you made the correct choice.


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posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by g146541
So, the OP goes into business when he can do good for himself.
He recognizes that the game has drastically changed and he is now playing a game that he cannot win, and people are hurt that he is not willing to work many decades more right until the point he dies so he can lose money to the house?
The thing I love about using Logic in an argument is,
If you argue logic you prove yourself to be one of 2 things.
Mods, I respect the T&C therefore i will not say what they are.
If I am in vegas and losing bad at a table, I think I would find another table or just quit al together.


Ummmmmm no it's how he described the employees...or did you miss that he was inferring they are a parasite??? Oh and that they will not be able to live without him, or do you have problems with understanding plain english? I am sorry if I offend but many people here at ATS are not english speaking as their first language so maybe you missed a lot of the OP's opinion on his worker or you didn't read the whole thing.



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 06:39 PM
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A clarification

I am truly sorry it was possible to read into my OP the idea that my employees were parasites, or that I in any way insinuated they were not capable of doing good work and making a living.. They worked hard, and most excelled at their positions. My purpose was to show what I was as a business owner would no longer be contributing to a government that wanted me to be a slave. That this was what the government gets back in lieu of its anti business policies. 187 lost jobs that statistically convert to the statements I made.

Not sure what serving your country has to do with this thread, albeit I do think it is each man’s duty to serve in some capacity. My father, brother and son as well as I have and in the case of my son are fulfilling our self required, obligation to our country. Other than that my only obligation to the rest of society and government is very aptly put by Ayn Rand: to deal with others, not as victims and executioners, nor as masters and slaves, but as traders, by free, voluntary exchange to mutual benefit.

Neither forcing my burdens upon another nor allow others to force their burden upon
Me.

I agree that a man cannot serve two masters, but I take it a step further, Man should serve no master but himself.

Over the 30 yrs of doing business, I have paid a good wage. In fact the wage was so good that 187 people chose to work for me.
Over 30 yrs of business many employees have retired with very comfortable pensions. Many have made goodly sums of money due to their investing in the company and sharing in its risk as well as the profits.
Over 30 yrs my business never once failed to pay its bills, its taxes, or its payroll. The business fees, license, and taxes both federal and state, that my business paid, along with both the personal taxes I and my employees paid, more that paid for our use of the infrastructure in place for just such use. (which if not provided by the state or fed, would probable have been provided by a private business that would have made money off it and most likely done a better job, all for less.)
Over 30 yrs. of owning a business I have at one time or another lived over the shop and ate ramen noodle soup for supper just to make payroll. I borrowed money from my parents and siblings who at the time could barley afford it, to pay bills and quarterly taxes. I have seen my wife drive a 10 yr old car because we couldn’t afford a new and make payroll and pension contributions because of the bad decisions I made. I worked 17 hr days making sure the company stayed in business for one more week.
Where were all you altruist then? Did one of you come to me and declare Phedreus you have really hit a bad strip how bout we help and hold off on your taxes this month. When the company health insurance was going to be revoked for lack of payment, did any of you come to me and say, hey you have given people all these jobs and benefits as well as good service to your fellow men, why don’t you let us loan you the money to make that payment until you get back on your feet? none of you were to be found. I borrowed money from those who valued my business an my ability enough to take a risk of loaning me money.
But god forbid that I was late on quarterly taxes, or had trouble finding the money to pay for the government mandated policies required to be allowed to run a business.
I can no longer in good conscious contribute to the current socialist oriented agenda that has taken over this land. To do so is counter to what I believe in. So I have decided that I will no longer actively support with my work, deed, or actions, a society that would seize from me without regard to my own well being, that which I have worked for my entire life. I wish nothing from you but that which under the law I am due. I will not allow the moochers and buzzards of this government to keep feeding off the carcass of the business I worked my life to build and that through their machinations’, no longer serves to benefit me.
I am proud that I made my fortune through my own ability. I am proud that others found my ability and workmanship to be worth more than that of others. I am proud that free men found me and my company honorable enough to work for and to deal with.
I did all this for one reason, for myself. edited for grammer.


[edit on 7/19/2010 by Phedreus]

[edit on 7/19/2010 by Phedreus]



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 06:50 PM
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Good luck to you. Your thread was rather timely...here's a link to a column that basically reinforces the idea that your decision isn't a singular event (yes, it's from a Conservative web-site).

www.americanthinker.com...



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by bowlbyville

Good luck to you. Your thread was rather timely...here's a link to a column that basically reinforces the idea that your decision isn't a singular event (yes, it's from a Conservative web-site).

www.americanthinker.com...


I truly wish that I was able to be so elequent. Thanks for the post.
second line.



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 07:05 PM
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I share your anger .

Good luck and enjoy the fruits of your labour.

I think the most astounding point of the OP is that six months of investigation and two professional advisers could not give accurate cost projections for government mandated expenses to allow you to even see if your business was viable for another twelve months.

The shame is on the governmental systems in place for you being left with no real option but to strategise your exit and the protection of your future.

'You got to know when to hold'em know when to fold 'em.'

P.S. just out of gossipy interest what was your trade?



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 07:23 PM
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Happy trails. I wish I could check out of the system. Oddly enough I thought the grass was greener owning a business. I've been groomed by all my school years to be a good indentured servant to some corporation and with a life which is dependent on the mercy of the government.

I'm working under the illusion that I keep the salary I earn, for some reason salaries are always quoted pre-tax.

For every dollar I make, the government keeps 40 cents (Fed, State, FICA, SSI, etc). I put away a dime into retirement. Of the 50 cents I take home, another 5 cents go to sales tax. I then spend another dime to dress and travel to work (gas, car, insurance, registration, maintenance, haircuts, clothes, etc). I put thirty cents into house and food. I have a nickel left for savings, and they want to redistribute my last nickel to somebody who didn't work for it.



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 07:24 PM
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That truely was the point that I felt I had no other choice. I had no quantifiable data upon which to build my business plan for the future. The data i did have even with being opptunistic in my assumptions consistantly pointed to the company barley breaking even or losing money for the foreseeable future.



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 07:41 PM
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I say good for you.


seems apropriate



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 07:47 PM
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...phedeus, boyOboy, you really pissed off some posters, didnt ya?... i reckon no one ever taught ya thats what braggin' will get ya - especially in hard times when folks are struggling to feed their kids and keep a roof over their heads... you braggin' about retiring before you're 62.5 to a 200 acre ranch, then callin' other folks parasites is just askin' for a butt chewin'... if you're a heavy man, you should feel a little lighter now, huh?...


...btw, what state is your ranch in and is it a working ranch or just acreage?...



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 07:57 PM
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You sir are a gentleman and a scholar! I think what you are doing and your entire post are poetry! To he** with that goverrnment. The best thing anybody can do is to follow your lead and no longer support them or their schemes of enslavement. They are the biggest criminals in the history of the world. Nobody has stolen more, murdered more, ruined more lives then they have. They should get nothing from anyone!



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by Wyn Hawks
...phedeus, boyOboy, you really pissed off some posters, didnt ya?... i reckon no one ever taught ya thats what braggin' will get ya - especially in hard times when folks are struggling to feed their kids and keep a roof over their heads... you braggin' about retiring before you're 62.5 to a 200 acre ranch, then callin' other folks parasites is just askin' for a butt chewin'... if you're a heavy man, you should feel a little lighter now, huh?...


...btw, what state is your ranch in and is it a working ranch or just acreage?...


that was the intent of my post. Not to brag about retiring but to piss off all the moochers and parasites in this country. to rub in their face that they will not be getting a free ride on my dime anymore. That without us producers to feed off of the moochers of the world will have nothing. which is exacltly what they have invested.



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 08:21 PM
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Then you should have posted it to the NAACP forum and the Welfare forum. Not here.

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posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 08:31 PM
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Good job, OP. I'm glad I live in a country where the government is perpetually bankrupt. Much as it likes to become draconian, it doesn't have the budget.


And don't mind those self-praising military types. The only freedom they gave you was the one conceptualized for them by their superiors. It's not like they served in WWII. (And even then Hitler worked for the Elite.) If anything, it was the ICBMs that gave the West freedom from Soviet threat. The missiles are the real heroes.


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posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 08:47 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Jul, 19 2010 @ 08:53 PM
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It sucks to have to throw in the towel.. but yeah its by no means a great environment out there for any small to medium business.

However yes it does seem the best way out is to set your self up decently and then expel your self from the system.. I've contemplated it many many times... However I see society collapsing fast enough that I nor anyone else wont have to contemplate it for to long.. it wont be a choice for many people soon, it will just be what has to be done.

However enjoy your retirement.. while the collapse happens.. and write a book abut it. may make you some cash and will at least document it for future generations to learn from.





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