Free at last! Free at last!

Interesting fact: any person you see, a homeless man walking down the road, a single mother in line at the grocery store, a half naked boy from a tribe in africa you saw on national geographic, you are related to them all.
Genetic science has proven what many of us have long suspected and FELT IN OUR HEARTS. we are all related to eachother. Any person you see is AT LEAST your 32nd cousin. So when you say you are concerned about taking care of your family... so am I.


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The OP quite nicely explains how awful the greed and selfishness are destroying this nation.

Since you are against evil socialism, does that mean you will be sending a cheque to the government for your education?
For the roads you drive on?
The police and fire department?
For your portion of military spending?

I don't see you complaining when its YOU who are living off the government teat. Its only when others try to do the same that you get your panties in a bunch.

Talk about a hypocrite.

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That was a nice lecture in the finer points of BUSINESS. Maybe someone should inform you that most of us in this world are NOT BUSINESSMEN/WOMEN... we are human beings who care nothing of quartely earnings. We, for the most part at this point just want to live healthy & happy. Maybe not a lot, but some of us have figured out you dont need huge profits to be happy. I`ve made SO MANY terrible bussiness decisions! Everytime I`ve offered food or drinks to neighbors, friends & complete strangers. What was I thinking! Everytime I gave money or belongings like a warm coat to someone with no expectation of a return favor with interest added... man i coulda owned my own house or automobile by now. No thanks. I`m just fine not havin loads of money. I`ll just have whatever life gives me... and it`s been fine so far with the occassional speedbump, roadblock, or detour. Why in the HELL should I feel the need to drive a fancy car when innocent people are starving 7& suffering? I`m sorry, maybe you sleep just fine at night, but some of us realize that we on earth are a family & you dont let down family, you just dont. Yes, starve the beast, by banding together! Not splitting up... I`m tellin you, people, we need to spread the love around, every last ounce of it you got before its too late. PS: Its actually very liberating letting go of material items. The things you own, own you.


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I'm on disability. Does that make me a "moocher"? You sure don't think much of your fellow man do you/?
I want to tell you what I think about people like you but my fellow posters have did a good job at that. So I'll leave you with this
I'll pray for you, God Bless, and may your remaining years be humbling

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[edit on 20-7-2010 by madhadder545]

Closed its business because of taxes ????? Come on!
Stop complaining. Come in Canada(especially in the province of Quebec) and see for yourself what taxation means. Every thing that I buy(except essentials) comes with a 5% federal tax. Then add another provincial 8% over the total. If you make more than 65 000$ per year, provincial and federal combined taxes takes back about 51%.

I think a lot of us hear your political message loud and clear, OP. I'm just surprised no one has called you out on the title of your thread - in its context it's a dog whistle if I ever heard one. I suppose one could just say you are clever and snide and nothing more or this is all just too obvious but I'm surprised no one saw fit to mention it.

So I will just say that your obvious disgust (hatred?) of the current administration makes your use of Dr. King's words is really insulting...maybe just to me but I'm calling you on it anyway so I can get on with my day and my work in good conscience knowing I said what I needed to say.

Have a pleasant day everyone. Do good. Work hard.

(even if you don't have a job, do something to better your mind or body today.)

Having 187 people in your company is not a small feat. That’s a nice size company. What these liberals don’t understand is you are risking EVERYTHING you own as well as risking your families well being to keep the doors open. What these liberals don’t understand without risk there is no reward and when there is no reward left you should get out and stop risking your well being.

I hate it when these liberals have their talking points of “tax breaks” and “working on the backs of poor people to make a profit.” They don’t understand your net net profit after taxes is running 2-3% margin.

At 187 people I’m thinking you had revenue of 20-30 million a year. That’s $600,000 to $900,000 profit after taxes. What liberals don’t understand you are risking 20-30 million a year to make 600k to 900k profit. That is a HUGE and scary risk to take. They don’t understand. They just label the small business owner a greedy fat cat that makes profits off the labor of the poor. They will never understand.

I’m sorry you lost your business.


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i am glad you are happy that 187 people are now unemployed. Also, glad to see you are against health care for those who cant afford it, probably like the 187 people you just made unemployed. Good luck with your next choice, perhaps it will be whether or not to set fire to a bunch of puppies, or beat a sack of kittens with a baseball bat

This is pure BS.

Guy -supposedly- owns a business yet he trusts all this to accountants who cannot forecast? There is "no data" to work with? And they seemingly know nothing of income taxes either.

Here's where he hangs himself: (from the OP)

My monthly income from my personal savings and retirement plans are structured in such a way as to insure that rather than pay income taxes, I will be getting tax refunds.

One does not get "tax refunds" from paying no tax. In fact, any income he receives from investments will be taxed as capital gains.

Try harder next time.

Originally posted by Whiffer Nippets
This is pure BS.

Guy -supposedly- owns a business yet he trusts all this to accountants who cannot forecast? There is "no data" to work with? And they seemingly know nothing of income taxes either.

Here's where he hangs himself: (from the OP)

My monthly income from my personal savings and retirement plans are structured in such a way as to insure that rather than pay income taxes, I will be getting tax refunds.

not defending OP in anyway but there are those who get tax refunds with out paying any taxes. "mostly poor" you hear it all the time in the news. He can set it up in a way to were his income is in the "poor" bracket to get refunds on his taxes he did not pay. it happens all the time.




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Maybe his wife works and pays taxes and he's got it structured where everything she pays in gets returned. I'm willing to take what the OP said at face value because I personally know a couple of small business owners considering the same thing.

[edit on 20-7-2010 by jefwane]

Just a few passing thoughts on the many post.

I guess I could have tried to stay in business, and risk losing everything I have worked for. Maybe I would have succeeded even in the current environment. But the bottom line is simple; my business was not one that was to big to fail. At this stage in my life I was not willing to risk my future or that of my family. My obligations to them are paramount. Over the last 30 yrs I provided a living to hundreds of people, and now that I move to ensure my living and retirement I am pilloried.

No I am not a moocher by positioning my finances in such a way as to collect my ss. I paid into it all my life. Regardless of my personal wealth under the contract with the government I am entitled to receive some of that money back. What I do with it is my concern. If I want to spend it on new saddles, or a new boat, or perhaps to help the hardworking guy next door over a rough spot, that is up to me. The government seems to have no problem giving my monies to those I would never consider worthy of giving to myself, so I will take back what monies I can and use it as I deem fit. If not for my business and my work, that money would not be there for the government to spend in the first place.

Anyone familiar with business knows that you don’t just come in one day and close the doors. Unlike some businesses, mine closed owing no outstanding debt, with a fully funded pension and retirement plan, and with all employees being paid for outstanding pto and vacations.

I did not make my fortune on the backs of others! I paid each and every person who willingly chose to work for me. Those that worked hard were rewarded. Those that didn't did not stay long.

Yes I am being quite selfish in my actions. It matters a great deal to me that I see to it that me and mine do not become a burden on someone else.

You can believe what you wish, but as far as my opinion goes, we have passed the point of no return. This nation and the world are rushing headlong into an ecomonic collapse the likes of which have never been seen. I urge everyone to make plans now to see to the welfare of your families, in the coming tribulations.

Moochers...you said?
But your wallowing in social security...
You receive supports from the government for not using your land...
You want to use the roads paid for by others taxes...but your fighting to find a way to cheat the rest of us of your fair share....
Your defended by the various armed forces,police, fire departments and every other public service....
You callously dispose of these people who worked for you...
Smug...disgusting...parasititcal...
I hope some of them see what you've written and sue you for wrongful discharge...or even better organize and start a drive to decrease the budget deficit by repealing the socialist farm and land supports that allow bourgoise pigs to randomly screw wage slaves....
Good luck with your retirement.
Enjoy your retirement

Nope. Sorry. I ran this by an accountant. I am correct.

And if he claims to have enough "income" to support his supposed lifestyle - yeah - he ain't going in no 'poor bracket'.

Besides which - he stated himself that his accountants do not know what their doing.

This story is nothing but a fantasy built to Propagandize against so called "Socialists".

Again, it's an interesting story - but there are far too many holes in it.

If you're going to try and float BS it actually helps if you know what you are talking about.

That's his biggest mistake - he knows no details. Anyone with a supposedly mid sized and successful business who's been doing it for 30 years has absolutely got to know some basics of accounting. They would not say - "my accountants set it up in such a way" - he would use more detail.

And - he's liquidating this biz due to the upcoming health care plan? Yeah - that's how many years off? And yes a competent accountant would know how to work with this.

Who in the heck is going to listen to an "accountant" who claims they don't know what to do and they have no data?

Right. That's exactly what I'd do. Liquidate my biz because my accountant says they have no data and don't know what to do. Sure.

This story is pure fiction.

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Thanks for sharing, I love your story and your solution. Our representatives, both republicans and democrats, have brought this on. If you had not taken your current course, everything that will happen now would have happened just a year or two down the road and without you having anything to show for your life's work. My hope for you is that the lazy socialist bastards don't take what you have earned despite your best laid plans.

We have a lobby in our state, New Jersey, that is attempting to further tax "millionaires". What a tantalizing word, "millionaire". They weild this term as if it connotes evil. A "millionaires tax". This as if those that have attained that level of savings and earnings have all done this at the expense of others. What this lobby will do if it should succeed in further taxing "millionaires" is to chase every last small business owner out of the state. I work for a "millionaire" as do 9 more employees. I don't exagerate when I tell you that to open any business in New Jersey, no matter how small, takes the financial backing of a "millionaire". That amount of money is rather insignificant in the world of trillion dollar deficits. 10 families, down from 12 last year at this time due to layoffs, are still at least partially dependent on my employer staying in business. Our pays have been cut and our benefits, paid health care for one, have been rolled back substantially but we are all still hanging on and we are currently happy to do so. My employer has taken deep cuts of his own. I have seen evidence of this first hand.

Small minded, short sighted lobbyists under the thumb of socialist idealogues are on the verge of taking control of this state and the country. The socialist states of Europe are all on the brink of collapse. What does that tell you?

Look at all the envy in this thread!

This is a man who (if his story is true; I am in no position to comment on that) has worked his whole life and finally managed to make enough to extract himself from the system that steals his rightfully earned wealth and squanders it on such endeavors as bombing people. Who in his right mind does want to be part of that system?

Now he can go to a less-populated area with his family and probably get to know nature and the higher things a little better. Nothing in his post suggested he won't still help a neighbor in need. Maybe he won't, but that's his karma, not mine or yours.

Though nobody's come right out and said their hate-filled replies are fueled by envy, the envy oozes out of every word in such a way that it's obvious. And all the while you're calling him selfish!

Hell, I envy the guy too. But I choose to acknowledge that emotion and not try to escape it by turning it into an accusation.


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Originally posted by Whiffer Nippets

Who in the heck is going to listen to an "accountant" who claims they don't know what to do and they have no data?

Right. That's exactly what I'd do. Liquidate my biz because my accountant says they have no data and don't know what to do. Sure.

This story is pure fiction.

Too true, and if we could learn one thing from this BS it would be the value of a good accountant. Not to mention how silly it is to get a "tax return". You have let the government borrow your money interest free. It's better to structure so you don't get a return and keep your money every month.

[edit on 20-7-2010 by antonia]

I'm curious.... there is a lot of talk in this thread about Socialists and mooching.

So when the government pays $700 billion in tax dollars to bail out wall street, is that socialism?

When the government spends $100s of billions on corporations like AIG and bailing out Fannie Mae, is that socialism?

The RICH in America are great at taking money for THEIR benefit, and then screaming when they get taxed for something that benefits someone else.

Hypocrites.

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Like me my accountant and tax lawyer are very good at their jobs. I trust their opinions. Their projections, and highly qualified opinions pointed to an ever increasing social debt load, with more and more government policies which would strangle business growth. Coupled with the continuing economic slowdown what reasonable person in a posistion to do so would not look to the welfare of his family first. When your own accountant and lawyer, (both good friends) are telling you its time to get out and they themselves are making preperations to do the same, I take their advice seriously.

Originally posted by Whiffer Nippets
Nope. Sorry. I ran this by an accountant. I am correct.

And if he claims to have enough "income" to support his supposed lifestyle - yeah - he ain't going in no 'poor bracket'.

Besides which - he stated himself that his accountants do not know what their doing.

This story is nothing but a fantasy built to Propagandize against so called "Socialists".

Again, it's an interesting story - but there are far too many holes in it.

If you're going to try and float BS it actually helps if you know what you are talking about.

That's his biggest mistake - he knows no details. Anyone with a supposedly mid sized and successful business who's been doing it for 30 years has absolutely got to know some basics of accounting. They would not say - "my accountants set it up in such a way" - he would use more detail.

And - he's liquidating this biz due to the upcoming health care plan? Yeah - that's how many years off? And yes a competent accountant would know how to work with this.

Who in the heck is going to listen to an "accountant" who claims they don't know what to do and they have no data?

Right. That's exactly what I'd do. Liquidate my biz because my accountant says they have no data and don't know what to do. Sure.

This story is pure fiction.

im defending the OP but now that you brought it up im kinda thinking the same thing. i kinda want to know the name of this company he owned now? what the company was making a year. what products he was producing or services he was providing? hell im seem to know more about the GP "gross Profit" of this company based on his employee count then he did.

I agree with what he is saying and were he is going with this post. I agree goverment is to big and they are killing small companys but does he really own a company?

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