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posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 04:56 AM
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Stop whining, this country is a capitalist paradise. Regulation is practically non-existent compared to other first-world nations.

You failed, plain and simple, the economy sucks, plain and simple. What did you think the f*cking carnival ride of excess and capitalist frivolity would continue forever?? You seem to enjoy calling the poor, sick, unemployed, and underclass parasites and moochers. Why don't you point your venom where it actually belongs AT THE BUSINESSES/BANKS WHO TANKED THE ECONOMY BY CHASING PROFIT WITHOUT REGULATING THEMSELVES SENSIBLY. A tiny fraction of our taxes goes to actual welfare, and I highly doubt such social programs are what brought you down. Jesus... and to think you're probably the kind of person who spouts off to the poor about personal responsibility, WHY DON'T YOU TAKE SOME AND HOLD THE REAL PERPETRATORS ACCOUNTABLE.

If it weren't for social safety nets, people would be a lot worse off, they wouldn't be magically freed up to become businessmen, shopkeeps, entrepreneurs, and industrialists. The plain fact is that our society breeds an underclass, and AT LEAST Socialism is able to address that and ease the burden when implemented properly and without oppressive measures.

I'm sorry to hear you're hitting hard times, and I hope it's for the best. But quit lashing out at the ass-end of the issue. If you can demonstrate that "parasites" and "moochers" on welfare caused your downfall then so be it... but until you do then I give no weight to your blaming finger.




posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 05:02 AM
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IMO it's true that the taxes will soon be crippling everyone even more than they are now - through those we know are already planned, and even more so by those that we aren't yet aware of.

It was most likely only a matter of time before you were forced to close your business because of said taxation. I also understand how people need to do their best to look after their families.

I feel so sorry, too, for the families who now have no income and who are cast at the mercy of this merciless, brutal band of thugs.

These conditions are being forced upon people by the criminals who now steal and pillage from everyone, in a way which has become so brazent that it suggests to me they believe no-one can do anything to stop them now.

IMO they have declared war on the people. We have to fight them, and the total collapse of the system may be necessary for this these heinous crimes to end. If so, bring it on.

However, in order to be successful in fighting them, I believe it's essential that we discard the Matrix they have imposed on us, and undergo a paradigmatic shift.

The thing is, you seem to believe you have got yourself into a safe situation....but your money can disappear overnight from your bank account, and if they have their way that is what will happen soon.

This suggests to me you are only partially aware of what is really going on.

To survive this, to reverse this, we HAVE to change our mindsets from the one of me first, me second, me last, from the us/them dichotomy.

Your money can disappear in the blink of an eye, and most probably will very soon, pension schemes, government grants will go with them. Your ranch is not your property, it belongs to the Fed Gov and can be taken from you on a whim at any time.

The legal system will not protect you, it too us corrupt to the core.

That would leave you in a similar or worse situation than your ex-employees are now - without the means to sustain themselves.

That is why we have to realise our survival depends on us stepping out of their way of thinking and doing things, and realise that we all have to help each other if we are ever going to get out of this mess alive.

You have 200 acres of land, and I urge you to make a shift in your thinking, and realise that our survival depends on us all pulling together, all looking out for each other.

Is there no way you could use some of that land to allow those people or some of them to grow some food to help themselves?

Some kind of co-operative endeavour, not based on the exchange of money, which could help you all - for as long as you do have use of that land, which may not be for too long?

Imagine the feelings of hope and courage and strength you could impart to these people by helping them too to have the means to help themselves.

Believe me, the money god is in its death throws. The only way we are going to survive is by recognising that we are all one, and we have to help each other.

Otherwise, one day it is very possible that you will find yourself stripped of all your material goods, of all of your money, pensions, etc - and at that time, in the immediate vicinity of where you live, you will have very few friends to help you, and you will reap what you have sown.

I believe we are faced with the imperative, like never before, of realising that we can only beat these monsters by sticking together and looking out for eaach other. They KNOW this and will do everything they can to divide and thus control all of humanity.

Strike a blow for freedom, step out of their Matrix, listen to your heart not your head and do some creative thinking about surviving this together.



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 05:11 AM
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In a small town or big city, I would think there would be some sort of news article in reference to a 30 year old business laying off 187 people and closing its doors. Do you have a link? If not your fictitious tale was rather entertaining.


Those were my thoughts as well. Tied up too neatly with a bow on top.

Second line.



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 05:14 AM
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Wow, congrats..very stirring and emotional! And bitter.

Bet in all those years you never reaped any benefits along the way...never made nice profits, never participated in investments or took tax breaks and exemptions, never took advantage of the cheaper healthcare for your family because you got to ride along with your numbers of employees, never paid NO taxes on supplies and on your own PERSONAL items due to your business license, never got cheaper prices on things like furniture and car leases or freebies and perqs and benefits from suppliers and vendors.

Bet you so struggled and still managed to paid off your house and your land and saved a nice nest egg too. My nose bleeds for you. Poor thing.

Yeah, congrats. Now you're a moocher and parasite of this nation. You've inspired me. I think I'll stop working too now to stop supporting you.

[edit on 7/20/2010 by ~Lucidity]



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 05:14 AM
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Plus retire at 62.5 years to a 200 acre ranch.

Yep that's capitalism for you.

Know who we all bailed out, it wasn't "the little people", it was


10/28/2008 Wells Fargo & Co. San Francisco Calif. $25,000,000,000

10/28/2008 State Street Corp. Boston Mass. $2,000,000,000

10/28/2008 Bank of America Corp.1 Charlotte N.C. $15,000,000,000

10/28/2008 JPMorgan Chase & Co. New York N.Y. $25,000,000,000

10/28/2008 Citigroup Inc. New York N.Y. $25,000,000,000

10/28/2008 Morgan Stanley New York N.Y. $10,000,000,000

10/28/2008 Goldman Sachs Group Inc. New York N.Y. $10,000,000,000

10/28/2008 Bank of New York Mellon Corp. New York N.Y. $3,000,000,000

11/17/2008 Regions Financial Corp. Birmingham Ala. $3,500,000,000

11/17/2008 UCBH Holdings Inc. San Francisco Calif. $298,737,000

11/17/2008 Bank of Commerce Holdings Redding Calif. $17,000,000
11/17/2008 Broadway Financial Corp. Los Angeles Calif. $9,000,000
11/17/2008 SunTrust Banks Inc. Atlanta Ga. $3,500,000,000

11/17/2008 Northern Trust Corp. Chicago Ill. $1,576,000,000
11/17/2008 Provident Bancshares Corp. Baltimore Md. $151,500,000
11/17/2008 U.S. Bancorp Minneapolis Minn. $6,599,000,000
11/17/2008 TCF Financial Corp. Wayzata Minn. $361,172,000
11/17/2008 BB&T Corp. Winston-Salem N.C. $3,133,640,000

11/17/2008 1st FS Corp. Hendersonville N.C. $16,369,000
11/17/2008 Valley National Bancorp Wayne N.J. $300,000,000

11/17/2008 KeyCorp Cleveland Ohio $2,500,000,000
11/17/2008 Huntington Bancshares Columbus Ohio $1,398,071,000

11/17/2008 Umpqua Holdings Corp. Portland Ore. $214,181,000
11/17/2008 First Horizon National Corp. Memphis Tenn. $866,540,000

11/17/2008 Comerica Inc. Dallas Texas $2,250,000,000

11/17/2008 Zions Bancorporation Salt Lake City Utah $1,400,000,000
11/17/2008 Capital One Financial Corp. McLean Va. $3,555,199,000
11/17/2008 Washington Federal Inc. Seattle Wash. $200,000,000
11/17/2008 Marshall & Ilsley Corp. Milwaukee Wis. $1,715,000,000

11/21/2008 City National Corporation Beverly Hills Calif. $400,000,000

11/21/2008 Pacific Capital Bancorp Santa Barbara Calif. $180,634,000
11/21/2008 Heritage Commerce Corp. San Jose Calif. $40,000,000
11/21/2008 First PacTrust Bancorp, Inc. Chula Vista Calif. $19,300,000
11/21/2008 Nara Bancorp, Inc. Los Angeles Calif. $67,000,000
11/21/2008 Webster Financial Corporation Waterbury Conn. $400,000,000

11/21/2008 Centerstate Banks of Florida Inc. Davenport Fla. $27,875,000
11/21/2008 Ameris Bancorp Moultrie Ga. $52,000,000
11/21/2008 Taylor Capital Group Rosemont Ill. $104,823,000
11/21/2008 Porter Bancorp Inc. Louisville Ky. $35,000,000
11/21/2008 Boston Private Financial Holdings, Inc. Boston Mass. $154,000,000
11/21/2008 Severn Bancorp, Inc. Annapolis Md. $23,393,000
11/21/2008 Trustmark Corporation Jackson Miss. $215,000,000
11/21/2008 First Niagara Financial Group Lockport N.Y. $184,011,000

11/21/2008 Western Alliance Bancorporation Las Vegas Nev. $140,000,000
11/21/2008 First Community Corporation Lexington S.C. $11,350,000
11/21/2008 HF Financial Corp. Sioux Falls S.D. $25,000,000
11/21/2008 First Community Bankshares Inc. Bluefield Va. $41,500,000
11/21/2008 Banner Corporation Walla Walla Wash. $124,000,000
11/21/2008 Cascade Financial Corporation Everett Wash. $38,970,000
11/21/2008 Columbia Banking System, Inc. Tacoma Wash. $76,898,000
11/21/2008 Heritage Financial Corporation Olympia Wash. $24,000,000
11/21/2008 Associated Banc-Corp Green Bay Wis. $525,000,000
12/5/2008 Superior Bancorp Inc. Birmingham Ala. $69,000,000
12/5/2008 Manhattan Bancorp El Segundo Calif. $1,700,000
12/5/2008 East West Bancorp Pasadena Calif. $306,546,000
12/5/2008 Cathay General Bancorp Los Angeles Calif. $258,000,000

12/5/2008 CVB Financial Corp Ontario Calif. $130,000,000
12/5/2008 Bank of Marin Bancorp Novato Calif. $28,000,000
12/5/2008 Oak Valley Bancorp Oakdale Calif. $13,500,000
12/5/2008 Coastal Banking Company, Inc. Fernandina Beach Fla. $9,950,000

12/5/2008 TIB Financial Corp Naples Fla. $37,000,000
12/5/2008 FPB Bancorp, Inc. Port St. Lucie Fla. $5,800,000
12/5/2008 United Community Banks, Inc. Blairsville Ga. $180,000,000
12/5/2008 MB Financial Inc. Chicago Ill. $196,000,000
12/5/2008 First Midwest Bancorp, Inc. Itasca Ill. $193,000,000
12/5/2008 Old National Bancorp Evansville Ind. $100,000,000
12/5/2008 Blue Valley Ban Corp Overland Park Kan. $21,750,000
12/5/2008 Iberiabank Corporation Lafayette La. $90,000,000
12/5/2008 Central Bancorp, Inc. Somerville Mass. $10,000,000
12/5/2008 Eagle Bancorp, Inc. Bethesda Md. $38,235,000
12/5/2008 Sandy Spring Bancorp, Inc. Olney Md. $83,094,000
12/5/2008 Old Line Bancshares, Inc. Bowie Md. $7,000,000
12/5/2008 Great Southern Bancorp Springfield Mo. $58,000,000
12/5/2008 Southern Missouri Bancorp, Inc. Poplar Bluff Mo. $9,550,000
12/5/2008 Southern Community Financial Corp. Winston-Salem N.C. $42,750,000

12/5/2008 Bank of North Carolina Thomasville N.C. $31,260,000
12/5/2008 Unity Bancorp, Inc. Clinton N.J. $20,649,000
12/5/2008 State Bancorp, Inc. Jericho N.Y. $36,842,000
12/5/2008 First Defiance Financial Corp. Defiance Ohio $37,000,000
12/5/2008 Central Federal Corporation Fairlawn Ohio $7,225,000
12/5/2008 Southwest Bancorp, Inc. Stillwater Okla. $70,000,000
12/5/2008 Popular, Inc. San Juan Puerto Rico $935,000,000
12/5/2008 South Financial Group, Inc. Greenville S.C. $347,000,000
12/5/2008 First Financial Holdings Inc. Charleston S.C. $65,000,000
12/5/2008 Encore Bancshares Inc. Houston Texas $34,000,000
12/5/2008 Wesbanco Bank Inc. Wheeling W.Va. $75,000,000
12/5/2008 Sterling Financial Corporation Spokane Wash. $303,000,000
12/12/2008 Bank Of the Ozarks Inc. Little Rock Ariz. $75,000,000
............ and the list goes on.


Source: money.cnn.com...


The video below tells it like it is. It is 3.5 hours but worth every minute.


Google Video Link


Know your enemy: It is a government that is sleeping with the banksters and big business.

It's not "socialism" We are a corporate dictatorship. Read my location.

We need to reform our banking system folks pure and simple.

Go to 5:24 and listen carefully, very carefully. This video shows a doable solution on how to take back our country.

Words are powerful.

The Federal Reserve Bank is not Federal and is not run by the people and for the people. The Federal Reserve Bank is a private corporation and uses other people's money for it's own profit.

"Most American's have no real understanding of the operation of the international moneylenders........The accounts of the Federal Reserve System have never been audited.
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It operates outside the control of Congress and...manipulates the credit of the United States" - Barry Goldwater

Even though it is not a part of the government, the Federal Reserves is more powerful than the Government.

The Federal Reserve determines, What your car payment will be, how much your house will cost and if you will have a job or not.

The Federal Reserve is the single largest creditor in the US.

"I sincerely believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs." - Thomas Jefferson 11:28 in video

If we the people, do not unit and rebell against this system - if we all just continue to remain service to self, we are all going to hang together.

Yes we need central banks, no we do not need these central banks in private hands.



[edit on 20-7-2010 by ofhumandescent]



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 05:17 AM
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Instead of passively accusing Phedrus of lying as you are currently doing, perhaps you should just come out and call him a liar.

Or are you too scared to risk the consequences of making such a clear statement?

Is that why you resort to sly implications? No courage? Or perhaps no confidence in your assessment?



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 05:35 AM
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I can understand where you're coming from.I have a small business. Just me.I've had employees in the past. Usually students who want to paint houses all summer. I wouldn't be able to sell my business because most my customers are one time only. I have some people who I paint for every 2-3 years, but I couldn't bank on that, not with the economy the way it is. I've been buying gold and silver. I only keep enough money in the bank to pay bills. I'm kind of depressed, the feds are going to start requiring precious metals dealers to report all bullion purchases to the irs by Jan 1 2012. I have to step up my buying schedule,I've decided to put some plans on hold. Damn!
www.economicpolicyjournal.com...



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 05:51 AM
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You'll choke on the property seizures.



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 05:55 AM
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Bravo!

What a way to start my morning! I adore you.

We, too, own a business, which has done very well for the past 12 years---up until now, that is.

Now, with the current recession, we stare at the ceilings most nights wondering how we are going to pay our mortgage in six months. So much of our income is handed over to the government, we can barely afford to send our children to college, much less worry about retirement. We've laid off four employees in the past three months, and they, too, are collecting unemployment. We used to feel proud that we were helping to support a half dozen families through our hard work and efforts, but sadly, this is no longer true.

That ANY ONE replying to this post could criticize you for doing what you have to do is extremely irritating. For many years, you kept 187 families fed and clothed. You are to be applauded.

I wish we could retire, because I only see hard times ahead for us. Be glad you got out when you did. You've worked hard, so enjoy the rest of your life.

Ah, but pray for the rest of us evil business owners. Obama is eating us up and spitting us out. Innovation, guts, knowledge and a free economy is what built this country. Socialism will take it down. When you stop encouraging people to start small businesses, you are essentially dismantling a once thriving country.

Applauding you this morning. You see? There are actually wise, logical people on this board who understand you.

Count me in.



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 06:14 AM
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You are very astute and I applaud your decision. The Socialist's have destroyed this nation with the FULL cooperation of the destroyed. I have been in business and most people do not understand what it takes and what responsibility we take to sleep with us every night. Good luck to you and yours.



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 06:16 AM
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Phedreus, You did great.
The system in which we live is stacked massively against us.
From the middle classes down,we all become servants to the system.
You start work, you work a week ,fortnight or a month before you get paid.
you pay all taxes and other deductions before you get your money,and everything you buy again you pay extra taxes.
To buy anything apart from your food and living,then you have to take on credit, so becoming even more enslaved to work more and pay more,possibly for the rest of your life. Then when you die all you have worked and struggled to get and paid taxes for,your family have to pay more taxes to keep what has been paid for.
We are ignorant because we don,t know,
Vagrants (tramps ) are shunned because they don,t allow to system to exploit them and make them more richer, maybe someone made a law against vagrancy.
Look at this site how politics has given so many different opinions.
To build even a small business takes a lot of effort,when things go wrong there is little support, from the same organisations who take the excessive cash when trying to make your business grow.
There are 100,s of taxes 100,s of laws to make you pay more taxes (called fines) he he rubbing hands together ,what other new laws and taxes can we invent.
Enjoy your retirement.



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 06:25 AM
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Thank you for posting this link. It confirms and illustrates well the truth of what is going on.

The financial crisis was engineered, following their tried and tested strategy, which sadly millions still fall for:

1. Create a problem
2. Fuel widespread panic about the problem.
3. Then offer a solution, which will be readily accepted because the people are blind, and even more so when they are in the grips of the panic we created.

So, in this way, the engineered financial crisis, engineered by the Banksters and the Federal Reserve, was a great basis for triggering a global panic of huge proportions.

The same band of gangsters then implemented the next step in their plan. Use the situation to divert billions of dollars from the public purse to the Banksters, the Corporations and the Fed Res.

A huge fraud which gives a veneer of 'respectability' to the fact that they have just stolen over 70 billion from American people, and put it into the accounts of those who want them to be slaves.

This transfer of wealth from the nation, the people, to the facist, nazi criminals is taking place at an alarming rate. This is also what all these taxes are about.

Under common law, taxation is not allowed. Read up on common law.

This is why it is imperative that all people unite in their minds and hearts and look out for each other. This is our strength, this is what they fear.



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 06:29 AM
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The money is going from the PUBLIC purse into the PRIVATE sector.

Get real - government is simply a group of people who pretend there is some kind of system which protects the people.

This, of course, is a lie.

The private Corporations now run the country and are now sequestering every last dime from the nation, pretty much all the country's wealth has now been creamed off into these private corporate accounts, over which the people have NO legal power.



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 06:33 AM
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30 years and I am about three days away from freedom. I will be gone with my fortunes in tow. I will also be taking my know how, my passion for life and my willingness to help everyone around me up the ladder. The person that started this thread is angry for good reason.
Those who don't produce prey like vultures on those who do, it is how they survive. I feel no guilt about selling out. The payoffs, ripoffs and things nobody saw that I have endured to keep me and mine in the life raft have paid off. It is mine I worked for it and I am keeping it end of story. 1031 capital gains is the last insult I will incure from this childish, do nothing, suck from the teet untill your 50 country we live in. Good luck to you all as I fear God may not have mercy.........



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 06:41 AM
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Yes yes, quite dramatic, thank you for that OP. We all have it so rough don't we, even the "parasites" that you mention, probably think they have it rough as well. They might even think you're a parasite. Funny isn't it.



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posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 06:47 AM
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Go for it! Just forget about the other posts about being "selfish" I personally think that you´re doing the right thing. I know it wasn´t a easy call and I know what is like to feel that you´re living a lie and you´re the government and bank's slave. Cheer up, we should start an ATS exchange program, it would be nice. we can visit your farm, than you could come to Brazil and spend a time at the beach, then we would visit another ats member in australia that gave up on the capitalist way and now owns a small ranch. It bet it would be so fun if we all got together in orded to "build something real" instead of just posting messages and comments about the capitalistical way of ruling the world. By the way, you could start a small resource based comunity if you have enough room. Let´s live the venus project



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 06:51 AM
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The world is changing fast,even our own governments seem confused by making wrong judgements.
Each and every one of YOU start making preparations (like phedreus has) what can you lose?.
The net (ATS)youtube has educated you to be aware of what is possibly coming.
None of the systems seem to work properly, whether its capitalism, socialism,communism, so look after yourself and yours,and if you can help others great.
Or you can close your eyes and say i see nothing, what is all the fuss?

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posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 06:57 AM
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I'm really sorry to hear you are closing down your business. I hope you enjoy your retirement.

I do however dissagree with your view on socialism. It's about making a fairer society to help those people who for what ever reason have no wealth. I don't like lay abouts and scroungers on the state, they shold be made to work for their benefit or hand out. But socialism has its place, along with capitalism.

Do you not think capitalism is to blame for the way debts have run up and crippled economies?

I think that all key services should have a nationalised company in competition with private run businesses, owned by the tax payers, in order to keep the people in some control over the capitalists.



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 07:03 AM
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Good luck OP and well done in making a successful business but I feel bad for all the families that are now jobless and feeling the strain, not you who had to pay tax like every other person in business.

[edit on 20-7-2010 by Scope and a Beam]



posted on Jul, 20 2010 @ 07:05 AM
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People are born ignorant and are sold a concept way to live and that is your ignorances



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