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Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by guohua
Protectionism is not intended to regulate price so much as it's meant to regulate source. But surely you knew that with economics 101 or what ever you took. Have you seen the thread about Progressives not understanding economics?
Originally posted by antonia
I'm not illegal, I'm not married to an illegal, My relatives are not illegals. Thanks but try again.
Originally posted by antonia
You assume I know nothing because I disagree with you.
Originally posted by antonia
I have taken Macro and Microeconomics, read many books on the subject and worked in business. Pricing works on supply and demand for the most part. Low Supply, High demand= High Prices etc.
Originally posted by antonia
We are practicing protectionism now with steel. There is a tariff on imported steel. Jobs have not returned to the American Steel industry. There is also a tariff on imported tires. What was the reaction? The price of tires went up and imported tires are still cheaper. No new jobs were made in america because of that tariff.
At the crux of all these issues is China's need to fuel its growth and keep people working. Many Chinese steel companies are owned by the central or provincial governments, and they operate with cheap, if not free, capital. China's currency is also undervalued. In combination, these factors require China to sell its products as cheaply as possible to maintain demand for them -- and to keep its citizens employed.
Originally posted by antonia
Historically, prices always go up when you institute a tariff. In order to make a tariff work there must be some American company making the stuff.
Originally posted by antonia
Most of the things we use are i,ported, clothes, electronics, etc. All the companies will do is raise the prices. When transport costs go up they raise the price, when taxes go up they raise the price. They always pass the cost on, this is historical fact.
Originally posted by antonia
I didn't say the export of these jobs wasn't an issue. I'm stating kicking all the illegals out isn't going to fix that problem. perhaps you should look at why the jobs are being exported in the first place. It's not because of illegals.
Originally posted by antonia
I live in the U.S. and was born here. I do not display my location because I am one of about 150 people with my first name in the state I live in. It would be far too easy to find me.
Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
No, I assume you know little because you repeat the stuff thats simplistic and over hyped by the media, and your reasoning is shallow and superficial.
And if tariffs are so pointless, why are they opposed so vehemently by the countries they have the greatest impact on? For exactly the same reason workers here demand them? Or no? Do you have some other understanding of why these policies create such heated battles?
At the crux of all these issues is China's need to fuel its growth and keep people working. Many Chinese steel companies are owned by the central or provincial governments, and they operate with cheap, if not free, capital. China's currency is also undervalued. In combination, these factors require China to sell its products as cheaply as possible to maintain demand for them -- and to keep its citizens employed.
See full article from DailyFinance: srph.it...
There is a point where raising the price is not cost effective, and the profit margins narrow. Products have a price point above which demand falls. If you had added cost managerial accounting to your list of studies, you would know that you dont only choose to produce that which is highly profitable.
Apparently, you dont read for comprehension. I think I elaborated why which came first is beside the point.
The Founders, (I know you dislike the Founder religion) d
If Americans were willing to take the lower end jobs then the Hispanic wouldn't be coming over here because they will know that there aren't any jobs.
Originally posted by antonia
Originally posted by Rockstar02
reply to post by antonia
Wow, what a crappy cop out. Look at the numbers. When 82% of a country speaks one language, I don't think you need a label to define anything. i think you know what I was trying to say, but if you're trying to break my coconuts over the "official language" of the United States, then I'm not going to sit here and dignify you with a response. You wanna defend the illegals and look like the most PC person here? Cheers. When you head on back to the real world, look me up and I'll gladly go to town on this debate with you...
It wouldn't be a debate. It would a one-sided argument with you screaming "you are wrong". My point is that you need to stop blaming your problems on others. If a company wants someone to speak Spanish it is their right to demand it. If you want the job learn the language or go elsewhere.
[edit on 10-6-2010 by antonia]
Originally posted by antonia
China is against it because it's nonsensical and will cause them to have to raise their prices. If they have to raise prices they will cut labor to even out the profit margin. You cannot set the source by manipulating the price. It has been done many times and it's never worked.
Originally posted by antonia
That point is pretty high these days. Transport is still rather cheap. It's much cheaper than paying American labor costs. All tariffs do is seek to manipulate price, this does not address the central reason why the businesses left in the first place. If you want businesses back you offer tax breaks, stable labor costs and other incentives.
Originally posted by antonia
I have no desire to waste my time speaking to someone who makes assumptions about my background and then insults me.
Originally posted by antonia
Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
The Founders, (I know you dislike the Founder religion) d
More assumptions.
Originally posted by antonia
I'm tired of the "Church of the Founders". At the end of the day they were people.
Originally posted by Night Star
Oh I see, so if millions of Americans or another english speaking nationality decided to enter Mexico or another spanish speaking country, then it would be ok for employers to demand that they speak english now if they want a job?
No, fact. Which is why I wish I could find the other post. I usually dont forget, but apparently, you do.
reply to post by antonia
Originally posted by antonia
I'm tired of the "Church of the Founders". At the end of the day they were people.
"They took our jobs"! Oh really? You were entitled to those jobs?
"I have to learn Spanish to find a job"! So learn Spanish. You want to work right? Bone up and learn.
You know what? I think we should give all of you what you want. We are going to take every illegal and get them out of this country.
Originally posted by chise61
reply to post by antonia
No, actually anyone that wants to live in America needs to bone up and learn English. If I went to go live in Mexico I'd learn Spanish, if I went to go live in France I'd learn French.
They want to live here then they have a responsibility to adapt to this country, not the other way around. It's that simple.
Bilingualism is a skill needed in the global economy.
Originally posted by Tiger5
reply to post by Rockstar02
Well FYI before I posted it seems that there were rifts anyway. In fact Arizona and illegals his has been a hot button topic for several months. Go back and check up previous OPs. Obviously killing a mexican kid is no big deal to you. I am a parent so I am steamed.
Why don't you explain to us all why Illegals are being hired over the Americans (I would not call us natives). Here is the news Illegals work for lower rates and aremore productive. If you have another RATIONAL explanation then I am all ears>
[edit on 10-6-2010 by Tiger5]
Originally posted by CaptGizmo
It boils down to they will work for much less because less here is a fortune in their homeland where they send their money to.
The USA is the most darkest disgusting surge on this earth. May god have pity on your souls.
Originally posted by Unown
Don't you think I'm ashamed to have descended from modern Mexicans?
Originally posted by Unown
I only want people to acknowledge that I am NOT one of THEM (the illegals); that's all I ask. I am with Arizona and with the anti-illegal-immigration laws, yet people still think that just because I'm "Hispanic" that I support the illegals.
Originally posted by Unown
Last time I checked, discrimination and prejudice of any kind IS ignorance. Just stop your petty fighting already.