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Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by antonia
"They took our jobs"! Oh really? You were entitled to those jobs?
Actually yes.. as an American I am entitled to an American job before an Alien is permitted to work. In Europe it's even stronger, outside of the EU an employer must prove beyond a doubt that they tried every way possible to hire a EU citizen before they are even allowed to attempt to hire an Alien. The reason? EU Residents are entitled to all EU jobs before internationals. Same in the US. In Mexico it's almost impossible to get a job if you were not BORN in the country. They have some of the toughest immigration laws.
I know it's hard for a Progressive like you to understand, but all American jobs are rightfully AMERICAN first.
And it's not about "making things better" (though some areas will see reduced crime, and almost all areas will see lower operating costs for social services) .. It's about kicking criminals out of the country. Again, I don't expect you to understand.. Progressives make it their mission to destroy the borders of the country.
Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
I dont think Antonia is just "progressive." I think she has another more personal reason for being against the kicking illegals out of the country. At least that is what I have gathered from other threads.
And what specifically do you base your opinion that protectionism wont work on? Its worked before, it was used to help pull us out of the last economic collapse. Prices may well go up to some degree, but there is a point where it is counter productive to raise prices. Pricing is not so simple as you are making it out to be, so if you have some more elaborate understanding, please, share it. I suspect, personally, that you are just repeating stuff you have picked up from various media commentaries, and you really DONT understand the ins and outs of pricing.
And the export of jobs is part of the problem. And the fact that the jobs began exiting before the flood of immigrants began is beside the point. When some companies move their manufacturing overseas to take advantage of cheap labor, (those who can afford to do that, big companies) you DO instantly create a demand for third world labor in this country, because the smaller companies that cant move their production elsewhere need to have a local source of cheap labor. This local source of cheap labor then drives ALL the price of labor down, (supply and demand), further undermining the economy in general.
Which is to be expected when what you are really trying to do is make the facts illustrate your point rather than letting the facts speak for themselves.
Originally posted by wylekat
Be nice to be able to find a part time job, and not have to know frikking Spanish just to be ABLE to get a job (no habla, no workie). I can barely get thru English most of the time! Learning another language is a horrible struggle for me. Also nice to not have to wade past people who are here illegally and can get jobs, money, fancy cars, drive, get away with crimes....
Anyone here legally- have at it. I have no problem with you (unless you're a jerk, then, my problem is ONLY with you, not your race.)
Originally posted by Rockstar02
reply to post by antonia
Wow, what a crappy cop out. Look at the numbers. When 82% of a country speaks one language, I don't think you need a label to define anything. i think you know what I was trying to say, but if you're trying to break my coconuts over the "official language" of the United States, then I'm not going to sit here and dignify you with a response. You wanna defend the illegals and look like the most PC person here? Cheers. When you head on back to the real world, look me up and I'll gladly go to town on this debate with you...
Originally posted by theWolfInsideMe
reply to post by Retseh
Being from San Jose I resent that America thinks the average California citizen doesn't support this bill. Just so you're aware we are home to one of the biggest Tea Party movements in the country.
I realize the BS the general media spews, that you obviously choose to believe, would like everyone to believe that we are all opponents to this bill. THE TRUTH is that 9 out of ten people here are absolutely behind it and can't wait to get this on the ballot here.
The real opponents to this law are the completely corrupted pandering politicians like Pelosey and Boxer who in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM represent anything but there own corrupt agenda and especially don't represent me or anyone I know.
Originally posted by Rockstar02
reply to post by antonia
All I'm saying is I shouldn't have to speak spanish to live in this country. It should not be a job requisite unless otherwise mandated and I personally think you have an ulterior motive in the defense of illegal aliens. You're not from America are you?
Originally posted by Team Locke
Arizona for the win, pals. Hey if you are here illegally then you are breaking the law. End of.
If you want to see harsh laws... check out how Mexico deals with illegals. Oh, it's ok for Mexico to not want illegals but not ok for the USA?
double standard =
Arizona is gonna show California how to balance up a state budget, pals.. stay tuned.
How the hell does you being an American and being entitled to a job before an illegal...yet not being chosen as such by the employer fall on the fault of the Mexican?