Does Anyone Actually Know Why They Hate on Israel?

Originally posted by inforeal
Its not a question of what is hip and cool, it is a question of what is right and wrong.
Israel is wrong in its illegal occupation of Arab lands.

They will get away with stealing Palestine just as America got away with stealing land from the Native Americans. But this time the natives, the Palestinians, will get something other than extermination.

The Jews got nothing but extermination from the Europeans. At least from the Arabs they were allowed to prosper, as they did in Saracen Spain. The Europeans exterminated them in Nazi Germany, and murdered them in the inquisition in Spain.

The 20th century Ashkenazi European Jews decided to get their homeland from a dark race as the Americans did from the indians, so they took advantage of the poor Palestinians who were colonized by the Turks and stole Palestine.

Remenber before Israel all these Jews were in Europe. There was no nation of Israel.

Therefore those who support Israel dont have a moral or ethical leg to stand on. They stand on might is right. And the weapons that America gives Israel.


[edit on 2-6-2010 by inforeal]

[edit on 2-6-2010 by inforeal]

Jews bought the land they first occupied in the 20's. Then they took lands from people that attacked them in the 40's and 60's.

Remember here - they didnt suddenly get imperial over there. They were securing their borders and stopping the persistent attacks that had plauged them for over 20 years.

Technically the U.S. illegally occupied Texas from your stand point... should we give it back? Technically France is illegally occupying lands from Germany then by your logic as well eh?

I've got no issue with someone having problems with Israel's stances - but what I'm talking about here is the hate that spews out for Israel but the lack there of for the neighbors that do nothing but stoke the fires as well.

Originally posted by LieBuster

50. Iserail is on stolen land

Please let me know if you want more.

Should the whole American continent hate the Europeans for killing our children, raping our women and stealing our gold and the land from our Indians?

Originally posted by LieBuster
"Does Anyone Actually Know Why They Hate on Israel?"

1. The international zionist bankers bribe our leaders.
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25. They run the media
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50. Iserail is on stolen land

Please let me know if you want more.

1. - Hey, this is the site for conspiracy theorists... so do you hate Ben Franklin since he was Illuminati? How about the Free Masons? After all - they are all part of "TPTB" right? I was being serious here.

25. Like Al Jazeera? How about The soviet socialist republic of CNN? News Flash! If Israel ran the media - this would have never made the news.

50. If by stolen you mean the land they bought in the 20's and 30's along with the land they took from the nations that attacked them first in the 40's and 60's... then you're right. If stolen you mean the new-history version of IDF kicking in doors... then you're ill-informed.

Like I said - either you're being en vogue here on your anger towards Israel or you've got a LOT of countries you hate on as well - if not as vocally?

Because they are whiny
We lost 7.5 million before they had even lost one!
7.5 Ameican Killed
The Dust Bowl, stock market crash and Great Depression resulted in the deaths of an estimated 7.5 million Americans.

reply to post by Danbones


My point of view is that Israel has made plenty of Foreign Policy gaffs - as has just about everyone else in the world.

My problem is the irrational weight and emphasis placed on Israel's actions with a complete lack of consistency in response to their neighbors.

It takes two to tango - If you really think about Israel has no desire to start crap right next door. They are reacting (the measure of their reaction is subject to discussion - but a different discussion) to the actions of those around them.

God help the Palestinians and the Arab world if Israel actually ever decided to act instead of react. When you look at the U.S. reaction to 9/11, to Pearl Harbor, to Cuban Missile Crisis... when you look at Europe's response to Germany's aggresive annexation of France and others... when you look at China's response to the Korean war.

When you look at the rest of the world you begin to get a real reference for the amount of restraint the Israelis are showing... I can promise you that any nation with a modern military would have already eradicated their neighbors by now. And don't fall into the trap of thinking Israel can't.

reply to post by gncnew


You are an idiot... As someone who has actually BEEN to Israel, lived there, been a fricken pawn ofits so called peace initiatives, and defended it.... THIS is NOT Israel.... Israel is an Idea... A perfect country flowing with milk and honey... But it aint... It is a country where even the water is bitter.... Just like Kadesh....

Why???

Coz we have failed.... Did not accept Moshiach Yeshua... Daniel said we wouldnt...

Staying on point.
The original question.
Most likely because the land was taken to create a state.
TAKEN.
And has been steadily taken, and pain and suffering put on the people living there.
(staying on point not throwing in worldwide examples)
Top that off with emulating the same behavior if not worse, for which they claimed persecution from.
(stay on point)
It's is the hijacked Jews, the jews sorrowfully controlled by the ZIONISTS,
(and there is a difference)
that are taking the brunt, the designed brunt, of the bad imaging, bad press, etc.
A true loving jew, would not do what is being done by the ZIONIST in jewish clothing.
The label of religion does not provide a license to be less of a human to anyone, and tolerance, justification, and acceptance of any type of human suffering is not rooted in the love of ANY LOVING GOD.

Remove the POSITION from the argument and focus on the NEED, and you'll find there are solutions waiting for mankind to enjoy.

www.jewsnotzionists.org...

It's the difference in having something to say,
or just saying something.

reply to post by Yissachar1


Besides the idiot part you speak truth. Still Gods chosen people though,.. other peoples that have turned against her even when she was behaving at her worst have always faced Gods wrath eventually.

Peace.


[edit on 2-6-2010 by slane69]

In what way are the Jews a "chosen people"? Every Jewish man anywhere and at any time when called to the reading of the Torah says, "Who has chosen us from all the peoples and gave us His Torah." This is the way in which the Jews are chosen. The Jewish people are chosen not for domination over others, not for conquest or warfare, but to serve G-d and thus to serve mankind. "And the hands are the hands of Esau," has been traditionally interpreted to mean that while "the voice is Jacob's," the hands- - symbolizing violence - are Esau's. Thus physical violence is not a tradition or a value of the Jews. The task for which the Jewish people were chosen is not to set an example of military superiority or technical achievements, but to seek perfection in moral behavior and spiritual purity. Of all the crimes of political Zionism, the worst and most basic, and which explains all its other misdeeds, is that from its beginning Zionism has sought to separate the Jewish people from their G-d, to render the divine covenant null and void, and to substitute a "modern" statehood and fraudulent sovereignty for the lofty ideals of the Jewish people.

One means of misleading many Jews and all too many non-Jews is the Zionist misuse of names and symbols sacred in Judaism. They use the holy name Israel for their Zionist state. They have named their land acquisition fund with a term that traditionally implies the reward for piety, good deeds, and charitable work. They have adopted as a state symbol the menorah (candlebrum). What hypocrisy, what perversion it is to have the Israeli army fight under an emblem, the meaning of which is explained in the Tenach (on the occasion of a previous return to the Holy Land) as, "not with armed force and not with power, but in My spirit says the Lord of Hosts."

The infamous founder of political Zionism, may his name be cursed, who only discovered his own Jewishness because of anti-Semitism displayed at the Dreyfus trial in France, proposed various solutions to what he called the "Jewish problem." At one point he proposed to resettle the Jews in Uganda. At another he proposed to convert them to Catholicism. He finally hit on the idea of a Judenstaat, an exclusive Jewish state. Thus from its very beginning Zionism was a result of Anti-Semitism and indeed is completely compatible with it, because Zionists and anti-Semites had (and have) a common goal: To bring all Jews from their places of domicile to the Zionist state, thus uprooting Jewish communities that had existed for hundreds and even thousands of years. Loyalty to the Zionist state was substituted for loyalty to G-d, and the state was made into the modern "golden calf". Belief in the Torah and fulfillment of religious obligations in Zionist eyes became a private matter and not a duty for every Jew or for the Jewish people. The Zionists made divine law subject to party or parliamentary votes, and they set their own standards of conduct and ethics.
www.jewsnotzionists.org...

reply to post by Doc Velocity

The Khazarian Conspiracy





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reply to post by Unit541


I like the analogy you made. It makes a lot of sense to me. I won't give an opinion on the subject but just know I agree with your analogy

reply to post by gncnew


Gncnew:
Personally I don't hate anyone.
I try to post referenced material,
and I have been known to stand corrected when proven wrong.
IMHO
The democratic process requires exposure of facts and honest discussion.
Anything involving the writing of laws, and the spending of money, and the talking of freedom and the taking of life requires the utmost in scrutiny lest tyranny take over.

Any deliberate prevention of free speech can only be an attempt to subvert the democratic process.
which seems to always lead to tyranny

These days WE are the 5th estate.

We have pens and we have swords.
To resort to swords is to admit to the failure of the democratic process.
They call it BRUTE FORCE for a reason.



[edit on 2-6-2010 by Danbones]

reply to post by Just Wondering


I have often wondered the same thing, the same people who support the whole war on terror concept, criticize Israel when they take action against terrorists.

What would happen if an Iranian ship tried to run a U.S. blockade, or go into Iraqi waters? These same people would be cheering if we blew up the ship or killed the Iranians on the ship.

Leaves me just wondering. Why?

Originally posted by Doc Velocity
It's actually pretty chilling to think that the greatest killing machine in the history of the planet (the Third Reich) was utterly destroyed for persecuting the Jews.— Doc Velocity

The Third Reich were not destroyed but immigrated to what is now known as Israel. Notice the similarity in both countrie's policies.

reply to post by TheCoffinman


I would love to seeyou prove that... I have offered my dna over and again and all i have been met with is wankers who are afraid to be proven wrong....


Still waiting... I aint got nothing better to do... Prove im khazar... As the yanks would say... Im calling you out...

Bring it on mudflap....

Its a complex issue because both israelis and palestinians have a claim to the same land. Deep down both want it for themselves so peace negotiations mean little to either side.

If we go by "first come, first served" or which organised group of people first claimed the land, its certainly the jews. Judaism is the oldest religion since recorded time and precedes islam by approximately 1 millenium therefore the land(or most of it) should belong to the jews.

Israel has allowed for the concession of the semi-autonomous state of palestine, yet hamas who was popularly elected in gaza, are not satisfied with one state and want to increase palestinian territory at any cost.

A great solution would have been for jordan, syria, egypt and israel EACH CONCEDING SOME LAND to allow for an official state called palestine. Or alternatively have all the neighboring muslim countries pick up the relocation tab therefore palestinians no longer living in refugee camps.

The problem is NO ONE wants to back down except for israel and they are paying the price for not setting the record straight from the beginning as to what will be allowed and what will not be allowed. They have given the palestinians false hope and the palestinians are using this false hope against the israelis.

07...

jericho apparently was the oldest city in the land of palistien
so using your logic it belongs to the huntergatherers or even the Babylonians

Natufian (10,800-8,500 BC), sedentary hunter-gatherers in large semi-subterranean oveal stone structures
Pre-Pottery Neolithic A (8,500-7300 BC), roofed, oval semisubterraean dwellings in a village, engaging in long distance trade and growing domesticated crops, construction of the first tower (4 meters tall), and a defensive perimeter wall
Pre-Pottery Neolithic B (7300-6000 BC), rectangular houses with red- and white-painted floors, with caches of plastered human skulls
Early Neolithic (6000-5000 BC) Jericho was mostly abandoned during this time
Middle/Late Neolithic (5000-3100 BC), very minimal occupation
Early / Middle Bronze Age (3100-1800 BC) (extensive defensive walls constructed, rectangular towers 15-20 meters long and 6-8 meters tall and extensive cemeteries
Late Bronze Age (1800-1400 BC), Jericho destroyed
After the Late Bronze Age, Jericho was no longer much of a center, but continued to be occupied on a small scale, and ruled by Babylonians, Persian Empire, Roman Empire, Byzantine and Ottoman Empire, on and on until the present day

from:
archaeology.about.com...

PS I like your signature though

[edit on 2-6-2010 by Danbones]

Does Anyone Actually Know Why They Hate on Israel?

I'd rather discuss the topic at hand regarding Israels recent actions against the humanitarian flotillas, the legality/morality of the internationally condemned blockade, and the potential international repercussions should this escalate further.

As it is, if I do in this thread, I am confirming that I "hate Israel".

Trying to contribute in this thread with that sort of styled topic paints anyone who does have a critical opinion of Israels policies instantly as someone who simply and blindly hates Israel.

It's kind of a trap isn't it?

I better title would be:
"Does Anyone Actually Know Why They Hate Israels Policies and Tactics".

That would be worth getting involved in without any premature labels.

Take care,

- Lee

reply to post by Yissachar1


cant prove it, i dont know crap about that particular conspiracy

reply to post by Danbones


I meant the oldest organised religious group IN RECORDED HISTORY, not pre-historic times! Big difference, no?

As I said there are many solutions to the ARAB-JEW conflict, because indeed it is a conflict of RELIGIOUS TERRITORY, much more than anything else.

Trust me, I despise all organised religions because they have been corrupted by satan but we need to apply LOGIC in order to solve such complicated matters.

Again the best solution is each nation conceding some land to allow for the official nation of palestine. I am not out to get palestinians and I actually feel sympathy for many non-fanatic palestinians trying to live a normal life.