It is Settled - Obama NOT a Natural Born Citizen!

I'm in the middle on this one as I can see the Birthers points but also question how many Dems would know the truth and be keeping a Huge secret if birthers are correct. Doesn't seem possible for so many Pollies to keep quiet.

But my other point is that , yes we all know Obama is entitled to his privacy like everyone else but, in the interest of the people and to save the huge cost in money and time wasted on this issue in courts,

why doesn't he just release his past paperwork and end it?????

Show HIS voters his Passport, School Records and Long Form Birthcertificate.

Would showing any of this damage him in any way?
Well it wouldn't change a thing if all is as he says.

Before the rants I'd just like a responsible answer to why he doesn't, not just that its his right. His job is to serve the people and if to do that it means foregoingg a little privacy then as the Pres he should put the people first. And like I said, its not like I'm asking him to show his past criminal record or private emails.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
How do you explain the fact that, if two illegal immigrants have a child on US soil, that child is a natural born citizen?

Sorry BH, incorrect... In order to be "Natural Born" the parents MUST be citizens.

Conclusive Definition of "Natural Born Citizen"

Paragraph 2: "Natural-born citizens are those born of American Citizen parents".

Or this..

Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874): In this case decided after the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment, the Court stated (pp. 167–68):
The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens.

Source

I cannot verify that the complete accuracy of the above, as this is obviously a very complicated legal matter - just to be fair and honest. But in appearance, it seems to require that both parents be citizens of the US to confer "Natural-born" status.

Originally posted by OldDragger
Everybody form a circle now! Yeah!
Thanks birthers! I really needed a laugh today, and, as usual, you came through!
Go guys! Go! Damn Obama!

You did notice these forums have a whole other forum dedicated to just truthers right? If there was a ever a circle jerk going on, its there.

Originally posted by I_am_Spartacus

Originally posted by QuetzalcoatlAlien
Kozmo it's apparent you have really no idea what you are talking about. Do you really think they'd let something like citizenship slip by so Obama can come into power? Honestly. Are you really THAT scared of the world that you'd come upon something like that?

Oh and Obama being a Marxist? Oh lord, that's so idiotic I'm not even going to argue against it

I swear, we are all living in bizarro world now, even many democrats realize he has, at the very least in their minds, marxist/socialist "tendencies" now, are you Robert Gibbs? Axelrod, is that you?

wow...just WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Some people can fool most everyone once in awhile but morons can only fool themselves.



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Democrats are in the same boat as Republicans, there isn't much of a difference when it comes to both parties so why would I pay attention? Obama privatized NASA, how is that Socialist?

Originally posted by daskakik
I have a simple question which you can answer but the answer really doesn't change anything.

Let's say you have all the ink and paper on your side and Obama does not have the legal right to be president. Now what?

What are you going to do or more importantly who is going to do something about it and if they even exist when?

I don't see anyone doing anything. Not within the administration, not in the GOP not even "you the people" that are now awake.

Of course nothing will happen, "they" do what "they" want using propaganda to rally their flock. It's the unhealthy stress & anxiety it's causing "them" that matters.. hopefully it adds up to drug abuse, alcoholism, lack of sleep, poor health, sexual dysfunction.. hitler had gone to mental-feces and was a flaccid drug addicted, trembling, neurotic disaster area who could barely mumble because of stress.. if the same happens to obama, bush.. or any of the dear party leaders that 2-party cultist-sheep worship.. I would not be sad.

After all the death & suffering their wars have caused, "they" deserve all the stress that comes at them no matter what the topic. Neither obama or mcorpse were born on the founding fathers US soil, if neither of those govt gangsters were allowed to be president.. cool with me.

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I sure am looking for the proof to the veracity of this rumormill gossip.

Because that's all this thread is based upon, the alleged "article".

Which is nothing more than a blog, began by a blogger, with an agenda.

And I am still waiting for the original poster to actually reply which tells me I'm right.

Blogs : About As Credible As A Boy Crying Wolf In The Sheep's Pen

...and...

Chinese Whispers : A False-Flag Operation Began By One Gossip Feeding Gossip

Just in case the original poster perhaps missed my posts they're at those links.

The second one is a reply to someone else but it still tears apart this thread.

It sure is a shame that blogs have zero credibility otherwise people might believe this baloney, and therefore Obama might be shaking in his boots.

I sure do not love Obama, but at least I base my threads upon actual political knowledge.

Not blogs.

The original poster would do good to read this book as it might educate.

The Cult of the Presidency: America's Dangerous Devotion to Executive Power

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Amazon Review :

The Bush years have given rise to fears of a resurgent Imperial Presidency.

Those fears are justified, but the problem cannot be solved simply by bringing a new administration to power.

In his provocative new book, The Cult of the Presidency, Gene Healy argues that the fault lies not in our leaders but in ourselves.

When our scholars lionize presidents who break free from constitutional restraints, when our columnists and talking heads repeatedly call upon the "commander in chief " to dream great dreams and seek the power to achieve them--when voters look to the president for salvation from all problems great and small--should we really be surprised that the presidency has burst its constitutional bonds and grown powerful enough to threaten American liberty?

The Cult of the Presidency takes a step back from the ongoing red team/blue team combat and shows that, at bottom, conservatives and liberals agree on the boundless nature of presidential responsibility.

For both camps, it is the president's job to grow the economy, teach our children well, provide seamless protection from terrorist threats, and rescue Americans from spiritual malaise.

Very few Americans seem to think it odd, says Healy, "when presidential candidates talk as if they're running for a job that's a combination of guardian angel, shaman, and supreme warlord of the earth."

Healy takes aim at that unconfined conception of presidential responsibility, identifying it as the source of much of our political woe and some of the gravest threats to our liberties.

If the public expects the president to heal everything that ails us, the president is going to demand--or seize--the power necessary to handle that responsibility.

Interweaving historical scholarship, legal analysis, and trenchant cultural commentary, The Cult of the Presidency traces America's decades-long drift from the Framers' vision for the presidency: a constitutionally constrained chief magistrate charged with faithful execution of the laws.

Restoring that vision will require a Congress and a Court willing to check executive power, but Healy emphasizes that there is no simple legislative or judicial "fix" to the problems of the presidency.

Unless Americans change what we ask of the office--no longer demanding what we should not want and cannot have--we'll get what, in a sense, we deserve.

So, I'm sitting here wondering, if perhaps the original poster read my posts.

Or if ignoring those he or she disagrees with is a part of a strategy.

Just like a true partisan tactic, or perhaps a lack of actual proof, this thread has zero credibility, because it is based upon a blog, with zero proof.

I go out of my way to make sure people understand my political stances.

I am not a Republican, I am not a Democrat, I am not Conservative, I am not Liberal.

I am a registered Independent who sees both sides of the positions and smoke screens.

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The Boy Who Cried N.W.O. : Are You Watching Puppet or Puppet Master's?

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Lord is it time to water the tree of liberty yet? The Tyrants almost have it dry enough to use as fire wood.



An illegal in the Whitehouse .... no wonder he doesn't want the immigration laws enforced, He may be deported!

Originally posted by I_am_Spartacus

Originally posted by Mak Manto

Originally posted by kozmo
reply to post by OldDragger

 

Not capable of reading the article, I guess.

That is a shame as it explains in pretty clear detail the issues with "Natural Born" versus "Native born". But, oh well, why bother having laws if we do not enforce the laws?

Even by Vattel's own definition in which the article states, "born on the soil of parents who are its citizens," then Obama is a natural born citizen.

It never states, Kozmo, that the parents have to be natural-born citizens. It just states the parents have to be US citizens, both of which Obama's parents were.

This is an invalid argument coming from you...

I said it once, I'll say it again: if you don't like Obama, vote against him in 2012. Stop trying to pull the birther card.

It's quite sad and pathetic some people are still holding onto this...

Oh my god, how many times does this need to be said? HIS FATHER WAS A BRITISH CITIZEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But, he was in the United States on an education scholarship that he won that allowed him to study there.

That made him a temporary citizen of the United States. A LEGAL CITIZEN.

It doesn't matter if he went back to Kenya; at the time he and Obama's mother wedded and had Obama, he was a legal citizen of the United States.

You people ARE WRONG!

Ok. So its "settled". Nice.

So.... what now? Does this mean you guys can finally stop this?

Great!

Grats all! and thank you for participating

reply to post by ProjectJimmy


Why do you people love obama so much? Do you love welfare? Do you love killing babies? Do you love terrorist? Do you love giving everything you have worked for in life to someone else?

Come on! Wake up!

I just want to point this out, its of minor importance but what ever.

The simple truth in evidence is Obama’s own declaration that he was born of a British father and is therefore not a “natural born Citizen.”

This goes against what wikipedia says,

Wikipedia says hes Kenyan. but this news post says its british, something of a dodgy source isnt it?

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by kozmo

Originally posted by ProjectJimmy
Why is it so important to you to get President Obama booted? What is so threatening to you about him?

Well, for starters, we are nation of laws and EVERYONE is expected to obey the law - President included. Next, he is a marxist of the worst kind and is destroying the country. THAT is what is so threatening about him!

What makes him a marxist :s Honestly if you apply that definition to Obama then my country Australia is a Marxist state, so is most of Europe. Do you honestly think USA is the only non-marxist country in the world and is fighting by itself against the endless tides of 'evil'. I presume you have never read the communist manifesto nor any other of Marx's theories. Obama sure as hell aint following them, and until you back up these allegations of marxism with multiple sources and definitions backing them (not just 1 little policy that is marxist) stop throwing around wild statements.

Originally posted by ProjectJimmy
You Birthers are never, ever going to let this one die are you? Why is it so important to you to get President Obama booted? What is so threatening to you about him? Do not give me the "he's not a natural born citizen" line because it's tired and done. What about him is such a threat to you that he must be dragged through this never-ending mudbath by you people?

uhhhh....yeah, I'm no birther or anything but Obama has flopped on EVERY promise he made (except maybe...health care..kinda?). He isn't there to help you that is for damn sure. The "threat" is the continued repub/dem GAME of back and forth CONTROL, LIES, WARS and Obama is the captain of the team...who is the teams coach? Who are the teams owners? We the people? Yeah right...

People speak of the president like he needs sympathy and our support...look, if he can't follow the constitution, which he apparently cannot, he is to be booted out, plain and simple. Continuing false wars, both the military and drug wars, is my line in the sand that he crossed. He therefore, in my eyes, needs to be kicked out of the white house along with his staff.


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OMG, with all the issues we have atm (economic crisis, oil spill, wars, ...) people still focus on the birth certificate. Pretty sad...and stupid.

I'm still on the fence. I've seen some pretty good evidence.

- He doesn't present the long-form birth certificate.
- He has paid millions to keep it suppressed
- His real name is Barry Soetoro
- His grandma can be found here

I think this is somewhat of a trivial issue that will have no bearing on where the US is headed... all presidents are puppets anyway... Therefore, in my view, this is mostly a waste of time.

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I don't care if its a defined law because its really silly. The only thing that should matter when someone is running for president is their US citizenship. Who cares where you were born?

People grasp at these straws because they simply do not like the man as president.

Originally posted by QuetzalcoatlAlien

Originally posted by I_am_Spartacus

Originally posted by QuetzalcoatlAlien
Kozmo it's apparent you have really no idea what you are talking about. Do you really think they'd let something like citizenship slip by so Obama can come into power? Honestly. Are you really THAT scared of the world that you'd come upon something like that?

Oh and Obama being a Marxist? Oh lord, that's so idiotic I'm not even going to argue against it

I swear, we are all living in bizarro world now, even many democrats realize he has, at the very least in their minds, marxist/socialist "tendencies" now, are you Robert Gibbs? Axelrod, is that you?

wow...just WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Some people can fool most everyone once in awhile but morons can only fool themselves.



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Democrats are in the same boat as Republicans, there isn't much of a difference when it comes to both parties so why would I pay attention? Obama privatized NASA, how is that Socialist?

He didn't PRIVATIZE it, he just ended federal funding, because he and his kind have emptied the coffers of the country. More to come...

Marxism/Fascism has never really been about helping anyone, its the universal big lie. It was/is about outright control by a group of psychotic pseudo-intellectuals who had/have a grand master plan for the world .

Originally posted by bonnieprince

Originally posted by kozmo

Originally posted by ProjectJimmy
Why is it so important to you to get President Obama booted? What is so threatening to you about him?

Well, for starters, we are nation of laws and EVERYONE is expected to obey the law - President included. Next, he is a marxist of the worst kind and is destroying the country. THAT is what is so threatening about him!

What makes him a marxist :s Honestly if you apply that definition to Obama then my country Australia is a Marxist state, so is most of Europe. Do you honestly think USA is the only non-marxist country in the world and is fighting by itself against the endless tides of 'evil'. I presume you have never read the communist manifesto nor any other of Marx's theories. Obama sure as hell aint following them, and until you back up these allegations of marxism with multiple sources and definitions backing them (not just 1 little policy that is marxist) stop throwing around wild statements.

Uhhh, yes,I have, but obviously you haven't because NO ONE who has read it you would ever make such statements, unless they didn't understand what they read, were trying to hide the truth or self delusional.

Australia and Europe (and more and more the U.S.) are governed by a system most certainly based in part of and intertwined with marxist theory. You lost your gun rights correct? You have centralized healthcare, right? You are slowly losing freedoms and privacy in the name of the greater good/society right? Hmmmm, what was your question again?

Marx said socialism is the bridge between capitalism and communism. A handful of countries bridged that gap, and we (at least those of us who actually know history) know the horrors of communism/national socialism.

No country is practicing TRUE Marxism currently, If the whole world was, this would surely be hell on earth if so. What most countries now practice, including the U.S., to varying degrees is a blend of socialism/fascism (as loosely defined a concept as that is, but more or less a form of oligarchical socialism) with a sprinkling of capitalism. We see how that is working out.

I will repeat,

Marxism/Fascism has never really been about helping anyone, its the universal big lie. It was/is about outright control by a group of psychotic pseudo-intellectuals who had/have a grand master plan for the world .



Marx and his ideas were just a guide for like minded up and coming despots. Marxist/Fascist/Tyrants, etc, will use anyone, anything, to attain their "Utopia" .

I understand how so many armchair 3rd grade level historians make the same argument, because of obamas ties to the evil bankers that he can't possibly be a marxist. You are not seeing the big picture.....All that does is support/ proves the big lie, Marxism/fascism/socialism, etc is about CONTROL, power and of course, the obligatory greed, nothing else.


The promise of a egalitarian utopia under a socialist/communist system is a LIE used to garner support from the "victim" class, the downtrodden, and slovenly, to give those who preach the rhetoric, POWER!!!!

Would you like to complete Marx's cycle? Or would you like to reverse the insanity and go back to what the American Founding Fathers envisioned? I am sure, if you go back and learn real history, you will choose the former.






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Originally posted by kozmo
Well, it appears that it truly is settled - by the Democrats own definition as established in Congress in 2008.

Obama Not a Natural Born Citizen

But again, rules and laws don't apply to the politicians - they break them at will.

Based on this very definitive information, I am wondering when the hearings to remove him from office will begin?

unless you are an native indian... STOP MOANING !!!!!
all americans are immigrants... on land slolen from the indians...

obama is a manchurian candidate and a fascist. hes a black man with an arabic sounding name who has a white mother... can u get anymore manchurian than that?