It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

It is Settled - Obama NOT a Natural Born Citizen!

page: 3
26
<< 1  2    4  5  6 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on May, 21 2010 @ 02:16 PM
link   
If this is truly a violation of your constitution, why don't you simply have him impeached? Isn't that an option available to you as citizens of the United States? But a question if you please, wouldn't the electoral college have caught this little oversight?



CX

posted on May, 21 2010 @ 02:24 PM
link   
Well as a Brit i have the oppurtunity to just sit on the sideline and watch these repeated threads about Obama's brithplace, i don't think it affects me too much, although some would argue that one.

All that comes to my mind when i see threads like this is, didn't everyone moan non-stop about Bush when he was president?

He was American and most could not wait for him to leave the WH.

So does your nationality make a difference or is it the way you handle the country?

Does it matter if Obama is indeed Kenyan, as long as he was running the country according to the US Constitution and all that comes with that?

CX.



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 02:24 PM
link   
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
 


Sorry Outkast - let me address it. From your post:

Let me repeat the quote alone.


“It is my understanding that a natural born citizen has two parents who are citizens.”


Now...let's look at his actual quote.


“My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen,” Chertoff replied.

“That is mine, too,” said Leahy.

Ok, so they seem consistent to me. The only way to be "American" is to be a citizen. Ergo, BOTH parents being "American" citizens does constitute Natural-Born with the previsio that this occurs on American soil.

The issue is that Obama's father was a Kenyan citizen and British subject, by Obama's own admission. Secondarily, his mother was not old enough under the laws at that time to even confer citizenship if he was in fact born over-seas. So IF he was born in Hawaii, he was born to one American Citizen and one Kenyan citizen. That makes him a citizen, just not a natural born one.



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 02:26 PM
link   

Originally posted by PatesHatriots
It is finally settled!

Brown M&Ms are better than Yellow M&Ms. Let the years of debate end now.


Using the "logic" of many obama supporters here, I think you just made a racist statement ...



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 02:29 PM
link   

Originally posted by dontblink
If this is truly a violation of your constitution, why don't you simply have him impeached? Isn't that an option available to you as citizens of the United States? But a question if you please, wouldn't the electoral college have caught this little oversight?


Good questions... First of all, the Constitution and Bill of Rights have been so bastardized over the last century that we, the people, no longer have the power to empanel a jury and have a trial for impeachment. We have to rely on the crooks and cowards that are our politicians to do so - and they lack the courage to do so.

The elctoral college has only one obligation and duty under the law - to select (known as "Chusing" - as spelled in the Constitution) the President. It is the obligation of each party's leadership to certify their candidates. I believe that it is fairly obvious that they have abrogated their responsibility to properly vette their candidates.



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 02:31 PM
link   
reply to post by kozmo
 


Hey! I just had a moment of...illlumination!
If it's settled, then you can stop posting this nonsense!



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 02:32 PM
link   
reply to post by kozmo
 



Ok, so they seem consistent to me. The only way to be "American" is to be a citizen. Ergo, BOTH parents being "American" citizens does constitute Natural-Born with the previsio that this occurs on American soil.


I don't think they are consistent at all. Plus the fact that the article did in fact misquote Chertoff...and they did it for a reason.

The quote from the article:
“It is my understanding that a natural born citizen has two parents who are citizens.”

This implies that the ONLY way to be a natural born citizen is to have two parents that are citizens.

The actual quote:
“My assumption and my understanding is that if you are born of American parents, you are naturally a natural-born American citizen,”

This does not imply that the ONLY way to be a natural citizen is to have two parents that are citizens. It only implies that since he does have two parents that are citizens then he is a natural born citizen. It no where implies that this is the one and ONLY way to be a natural born citizen.

So for the article, or yourself, to say that since Leahy agreed with this means that he thinks Obama is not a natural born citizen by "his definition" is dishonest...borderline dis-information.

What other reason would the article have for completely rearranging Chertoff's quote if not to mislead???



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 02:33 PM
link   

Originally posted by CX

Does it matter if Obama is indeed Kenyan, as long as he was running the country according to the US Constitution and all that comes with that?

CX.


It would still matter probably just not as much. Obama running the country according to the US Constitution?


The fact that it seems 70% of what he does is contrary to the constitution is what bothers me (including this very issue). The whole reason the founders put the natural born clause in the constitution is because they didn't want competing nationalities interests involved in the most powerful position of the US.

They wanted this person to have FULL allegiance to the US.

Obama does not.



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 02:33 PM
link   
reply to post by kozmo
 


Although this was not in reply to my question cause it was probably regarded as trolling I would say the answers to who, what and when something is going to get done are no one, nothing and never.

Seems like it's has been the typical answer for some time now.



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 02:34 PM
link   
reply to post by OldDragger
 


Um, OD... you've NEVER had a moment of "illumination" - EVER!
If you did, you would understand the article I posted. Does it have too many big words? Or are you just afraid that more truth might shatter the little liberal utopia you've built in your mind?



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 02:36 PM
link   

Originally posted by Just Wondering
reply to post by kozmo
 
You know even if Obama came out and said "yes, you've been punked, I am not a U.S. citizen"
it wouldn't really matter to the 48% that still support him.

I really don't think they care or think this issue is an issue.


You are exactly right, it wouldn't matter because in many peoples eyes he can never anything wrong.
Blind allegiance regardless of the possibility that true "bamboozling" may actually be occurring. To top it off, any potential bad aftertaste gets washed down with koolaid.
How many videos are out there of Michelle talking about "his home country of Kenya"?

Okay, we get it, it's his Father's home, uh huh, yeah.

Newsflash: His Father was not involved in Obama's upbringing!

What would be so bad in saying his home country is America?



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 02:37 PM
link   
reply to post by kozmo
 


Ya got me kozzie! I'm inacapable of understanding big words!

My liberal Paradise has a flat screen TV, and, just all kinds of cool things!
Yer too smart for me kozzie! How's Harriet?



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 02:38 PM
link   
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
 


I know you are making a point outkast, but I'm just not following you here.


I'm a little slow this afternoon, maybe break it down a bit further, if you don't mind.


If I understand you correctly, you assert that there are other ways to be a "Natural-born citizen" other than being born of two American citizens on American soil. Correct? If so, what would they be?



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 02:38 PM
link   
Fantastic, this old Taitz line of bull# again. I don't like Obama any more than the next guy, but the whole 'natural born citizen' argument has gotten to the point where fantasy is over riding reality. If a person is born a citizen then they are a natural born citizen. Simple as that. Only those that would stretch the law in order to get rid of the 'unfortunate negro' would argue otherwise. Their attempt at reinterpreting or misinterpreting things would serve to throw other natural born citizens (people born as citizens of the united states) under the bus with the 'unfortunate negro'. This includes the children of diplomats, soldiers, persons born overseas of one or two American parents, etc...

Just admit it people. You just want to get rid of Obama by hook or by crook, and it doesn't matter to you which you use because you either can't stand the thought of a Democrat, or a negro being in the White House.



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 02:39 PM
link   

Originally posted by dontblink
If this is truly a violation of your constitution, why don't you simply have him impeached? Isn't that an option available to you as citizens of the United States? But a question if you please, wouldn't the electoral college have caught this little oversight?


We need the congress to bring impeachment proceedings, not going to happen with it being controlled by the obama slappies right now. Things are going to be much different come November.......

The electoral college goes by the certification forms filled out by the speaker of the house...and who was that? Witch Pelosi, BTW, there were two different forms found. The original, which had the statement "citizenship has been verified" was not submitted or recalled, they realized their mistake so they omitted that part of it and submitted the "fixed" cert form, thinking it would relieve them of dereliction of duty.e. Another little bit of the "conspiracy" puzzle.

www.freerepublic.com...

[edit on 21-5-2010 by I_am_Spartacus]



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 02:46 PM
link   
reply to post by SpacePunk
 


Hey, nice job. You just dissembled right down to partisanship and racism. How creative of you. Absolutely no need to read th article and comment on that though?


After reading your post it is evident that you are as snowed as the rest of the obama zombies - there is a HUGE difference between "Natural-born citizens", "Native born citizens", "Naturalized citizens" and "Citizens".

If only there was some way to keep the mouth-breathers out of debate!



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 02:49 PM
link   

Originally posted by SpacePunk
Fantastic, this old Taitz line of bull# again. I don't like Obama any more than the next guy, but the whole 'natural born citizen' argument has gotten to the point where fantasy is over riding reality. If a person is born a citizen then they are a natural born citizen. Simple as that. Only those that would stretch the law in order to get rid of the 'unfortunate negro' would argue otherwise. Their attempt at reinterpreting or misinterpreting things would serve to throw other natural born citizens (people born as citizens of the united states) under the bus with the 'unfortunate negro'. This includes the children of diplomats, soldiers, persons born overseas of one or two American parents, etc...

Just admit it people. You just want to get rid of Obama by hook or by crook, and it doesn't matter to you which you use because you either can't stand the thought of a Democrat, or a negro being in the White House.


change democrat and negro to criminal, marxist, illegal, ignoramus, long legged mac daddy, etc, then yes, you would be correct.

If someone like Thomas Sowell were a democrat running for president, I would vote for him in a second. Yes, I know, you don't know who he is, not surprising.

Do people like you really believe the Democratic Socialist Parties talking points like you are vomiting up here or are you just parrots?

[edit on 21-5-2010 by I_am_Spartacus]



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 02:53 PM
link   

Originally posted by kozmo
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
 


I know you are making a point outkast, but I'm just not following you here.


I'm a little slow this afternoon, maybe break it down a bit further, if you don't mind.


If I understand you correctly, you assert that there are other ways to be a "Natural-born citizen" other than being born of two American citizens on American soil. Correct? If so, what would they be?



Basically, yeah that is what I am saying...and it doesn't coincide with your belief that "native born" is different than "natural born".

I take the "natural BORN citizen" term literally...if you were BORN a citizen...then you are a naturally born citizen. So if you are born on US soil...you are a natural born citizen...if you were born to two citizen parents...you are a natural born citizen...basically if you never had to apply for citizenship...you are a natrual born citizen.

I know you will argue that you don't believe so and that the framers "meant" the definition from Law of Nations. But we would be assuming that they were assuming that everyone would know that...that is too much assuming for me. If that is what they mean...it would of taken no more than 7 words added to the constitution...."those born of two citizen parents". But they didn't do that so now it is open for interpretation.

Still...you must admit that they hacked that quote in an attempt to make their case look more appealing.

[edit on 21-5-2010 by OutKast Searcher]



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 02:53 PM
link   
Now that we got it all out of our systems (hopefully), let's get on topic. If you don't have anything to add, are tired of a specific topic, or feel a certain issue is 'silly,' please feel free to move along to a topic that interests you.

Any posts after this notice will be labeled as off if it attacks another or simply involves ridiculing the topic.

Thank you.



posted on May, 21 2010 @ 02:59 PM
link   
reply to post by ProjectJimmy
 


I will tell you why it will NEVER die. Zero is not only not natural born, he is not even native born, he was born in Kenya by the admission of his grandmother and of the Kenyan government on multiple occasions. However that is the least of it. He is and has been using fake and stolen social security numbers, he most likely is not even a U.S. citizen. He has locked up his entire past and nobody can find out anything about him.

He hates America and the American way of life, he is a total disaster as a President, he is a Marxist, Socialist, Communist.

He is the enemy in the most powerful position in the land and he is there only as a result of a press that abrogated their responsibility to the country to properly investigate and report about him when he was cantidate.



new topics

top topics



 
26
<< 1  2    4  5  6 >>

log in

join