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It is Settled - Obama NOT a Natural Born Citizen!

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posted on May, 22 2010 @ 09:59 AM
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that is an ignorant statement, i was born here.. many generations of my descendants were born here... i dont give a damn if 400 years ago they werent, my home is and always has been the united states of america, NOT EUROPE...

[edit on 22-5-2010 by TheCoffinman]




posted on May, 22 2010 @ 10:25 AM
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thinking of the great white man..with disrespect of other looking humans..
you need a sort of hitler ruling america... bush came close to it...:-)



posted on May, 22 2010 @ 10:32 AM
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so????? wats youre point than against obama...?that he is born in kenia.. followed the american dream??

quoating you.... means that all the other races and illegals who are BORN in america are the truly americans...



posted on May, 22 2010 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by ressiv
reply to post by TheCoffinman
 


hitler ruling america... bush came close to it...:-)



and obama IS it, unless he is (hopefully) stopped in the elections. We are closer to civil war than ever since the last one, and if you can't see that as possibly part of his plan to let his "hitlerian" tendencies manifest, then there is nothing anyone can say to force you to see it. I am so sick of the middle school level reasoning from some in this country, it really is unbecoming an adult.



posted on May, 22 2010 @ 10:58 AM
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I am quite interested you chose to say "to give those who preach the rhetoric, POWER!!!!" when all you seem to be saying is rhetoric and fear mongering. Now lets look at it, ive even take out my copy of it to quote.

Now in actual fact, marxism was always about power to the proletariate, the workers, and accordingly (as at the beginning of section II) work within the workers to overthrow the bourgeoisie. They don't plan to destroy personal property (Marx even specifically says this in the manifesto), they just want to destroy large collectives of property run by the wealthy elite, who use it as a social power (gee wiz the wealthy elite sounds like a lot of the people who are behind this marxist stuff. Oh wait im sorry thats furthering a secret hidden agenda you have pieced together with very sparse and loose links). Basically meaning that they don't want property to stay in control of a specific family or group just because it is their inherent SOCIAL RIGHT.

Marx's primary aim is to give everyone an equal starting point, not have your life already vastly determined by the fact you have started out with a small fortune, or in large debt from your ancestors, nor denying you specific services and rights (eg health care, I mean really why should someone who was born poor through no fault of their own be denied the same health care as someone who was born into the wealth to afford it). It is about actually earning your way through working hard for it, a true meritocracy rather than a plutocracy.

Gun Rights, in Australia you can still get firearms as long as you store them properly and get the license (basically saying you arn't mentally unstable and unfit to hold a firearm). I don't see anywhere in Marx saying people shouldn't have guns, man maybe im missing that chapter, page number or something?

Honestly Obama is not a Marxist, far from it. He is institution some socialist policies, which while similar on some levels, differ on others. You keep throwing around big allegations, listen I don't know every action you know, please provide sources, not biased sources, facts, statistics, clear and understandable.

I don't deny he may be turning the USA towards a particular aim or making it more centralised, but that isn't marxism (marxism is actually quite decentralised, putting the power in collectives rather than in a central authority, thats just how it manifested itself in USSR and such). Anyway i'm very interested in your sources and i'd love them, but i'd like it if you refrain from calling me an armchair historian until you can provide these , rather than a simple "OPEN YOUR EYES MAN", they are open, they don't see anything of what you're saying so open them for me.

EDIT: Also i'd like to see your reasoning for why you don't think that the current tensions isn't a plan from the right to try spread an agenda by seeding hate and disinformation in the population. Honestly maybe its the NWO playing both sides man, maybe they set us up!

[edit on 22-5-2010 by bonnieprince]



posted on May, 22 2010 @ 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by bonnieprince
reply to post by I_am_Spartacus
 


I am quite interested you chose to say "to give those who preach the rhetoric, POWER!!!!" when all you seem to be saying is rhetoric and fear mongering. Now lets look at it, ive even take out my copy of it to quote.

Now in actual fact, marxism was always about power to the proletariate, the workers, and accordingly (as at the beginning of section II) work within the workers to overthrow the bourgeoisie. They don't plan to destroy personal property (Marx even specifically says this in the manifesto), they just want to destroy large collectives of property run by the wealthy elite, who use it as a social power (gee wiz the wealthy elite sounds like a lot of the people who are behind this marxist stuff. Oh wait im sorry thats furthering a secret hidden agenda you have pieced together with very sparse and loose links). Basically meaning that they don't want property to stay in control of a specific family or group just because it is their inherent SOCIAL RIGHT.

Marx's primary aim is to give everyone an equal starting point, not have your life already vastly determined by the fact you have started out with a small fortune, or in large debt from your ancestors, nor denying you specific services and rights (eg health care, I mean really why should someone who was born poor through no fault of their own be denied the same health care as someone who was born into the wealth to afford it). It is about actually earning your way through working hard for it, a true meritocracy rather than a plutocracy.

Gun Rights, in Australia you can still get firearms as long as you store them properly and get the license (basically saying you arn't mentally unstable and unfit to hold a firearm). I don't see anywhere in Marx saying people shouldn't have guns, man maybe im missing that chapter, page number or something?

Honestly Obama is not a Marxist, far from it. He is institution some socialist policies, which while similar on some levels, differ on others. You keep throwing around big allegations, listen I don't know every action you know, please provide sources, not biased sources, facts, statistics, clear and understandable.

I don't deny he may be turning the USA towards a particular aim or making it more centralised, but that isn't marxism (marxism is actually quite decentralised, putting the power in collectives rather than in a central authority, thats just how it manifested itself in USSR and such). Anyway i'm very interested in your sources and i'd love them, but i'd like it if you refrain from calling me an armchair historian until you can provide these , rather than a simple "OPEN YOUR EYES MAN", they are open, they don't see anything of what you're saying so open them for me.


Marx's angry rhetoric towards an acknowledged corrupt ruling class MAY have been a honest attempt at fixing what he perceived as the ills of the world, BUT in all practical historical applications of his ideology, it was used for nothing more than to remove one ruling class and replace it with another.

BTW, marx was an ardent anti-Semite and eugenicist, nothing warm and fuzzy about that. Hitlers Mein Kampf was basically a not oh- so different sequel to marx's manifesto.

The "revolutionaries" use marxs ideology to gain support from the angry masses, the "proletariat" which in the end, if their agenda is achieved, only substitutes one master for another, themselves. Always self serving, always a utopian lie used solely to gain power for themselves and their delusional ideas.

BIG difference between theories and reality.

Again;

Marxism/Fascisim/Socialism are all related, with the emphasis on creating a more "equal" society (for those deemed deserving). The only way to implement "social justice" is through coercion and taking from one group and giving to another. If it was the utopia that it is supposed to be, most people would be willing to accept it on its own merits.

True redistribution only eliminates the middle class (or other groups deemed unworthy of holding wealth, i.e. the Jews), and creates an even larger population of serfs for the centralized bureaucrats and associated oligarchs to assert their control over, it creates a reason to exist for those spouting the lies. It is simply a way for them to gain the power they feel they don't have because they don't have the connections to play with the current "rulers"

What do you need to implement mass coercion and redistribution of others wealth (steal)? You centralize power and create an infrastructure to do so. What is obama doing? Centralizing power and recreating our infrastructure to redistribute wealth, create a more egalitarian society (again, all a lie, its never about the "proletariat" its only ever a benefit for those perpetuating the lie), and create a perpetual power structure for themselves and cronies.

So the only logical conclusion is that yes, in all practical, historical definitions of marxism/communism/fascism, obama is all of them, and they all basically fit the same profile.


[edit on 22-5-2010 by I_am_Spartacus]



posted on May, 22 2010 @ 11:33 AM
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You provided no evidence again.

Anyway, basically you're saying he wants revolutionaries to rule, not thats not in the manifesto about having revolutionaries in positions of power or honour, but you're saying that was his deep lying plan. I don't see evidence he wanted to rule, maybe he did, but I always just seemed to see a man angry at the world and wanting change. Even if so, all this does is make Marx, a non-marxist fascist interested in self control (which you have 0 evidence of to show me so far, although if its true im very interested in it).

Marxism/communism is all about decentralisation by giving the power back to the people, organising into just community groups with very sparse government, its never been practised, but thats the idea, almost an anarchist system.

Please im dying for evidence and sources on how Obama is doing this and what makes marxism all of these things.



posted on May, 22 2010 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by bonnieprince
reply to post by I_am_Spartacus
 


You provided no evidence again.

Anyway, basically you're saying he wants revolutionaries to rule, not thats not in the manifesto about having revolutionaries in positions of power or honour, but you're saying that was his deep lying plan. I don't see evidence he wanted to rule, maybe he did, but I always just seemed to see a man angry at the world and wanting change. Even if so, all this does is make Marx, a non-marxist fascist interested in self control (which you have 0 evidence of to show me so far, although if its true im very interested in it).

Marxism/communism is all about decentralisation by giving the power back to the people, organising into just community groups with very sparse government, its never been practised, but thats the idea, almost an anarchist system.

Please im dying for evidence and sources on how Obama is doing this and what makes marxism all of these things.



NO , apparently you are NOT reading what I said, here it is again, read s..l..o..w..l..y...

Marx's angry rhetoric towards an acknowledged corrupt ruling class MAY have been a honest attempt at fixing what he perceived as the ills of the world, BUT in all practical historical applications of his ideology, it was USED for nothing more than to remove one ruling class and replace it with another.


The "revolutionaries" use marxs ideology to gain support from the angry masses, the "proletariat" which in the end, if their agenda is achieved, only substitutes one master for another, themselves. Always self serving, always a utopian lie used solely to gain power for themselves and their delusional ideas.

Evidence?

Lets see, the Federal Government, under obama, now owns, GM, Chrysler, 96% of all mortgages, All Student loans. Healthcare disbursement and soon to be the air you breathe and all energy sources via Cap & Trade. I am sure I am missing more.

I can provide many many links of people in his administration in THEIR owns words, straight out of their mouths professing marxist ideology, praise for leaders like chavez, mao, etc. but you won't look at them or will just dismiss them. People like you aren't willing to believe what is right in front of your face if it doesn't fit your preconceived notions or the doesn't jive with the "education" you received from the schools and universities filled with the same ideological teachers.

Heres a list of people associated with obama to research, do your own homework if you are "really" looking to learn.

Mark Lloyd
Cass Sunstein
Ron Bloom
Jon Holdren
Andy Stern
Joel Rogers
Anita Dunn
Carol Browner
Robert Creamer
Robert McChesney

Heres a few links to get you on your way

Barack Obama Sr. (Dad)

*Communist who saw nothing wrong with government 'taxing 100%' so long as the people got benefits...
- Obama Sr. on socialism (Link)
- Overview of the paper (Link)
*Harvard educated economist
*Nairobi bureaucrat who advised government to 'redistribute' income through higher taxes
*Demonized corporations
*Abandoned Barack Obama Jr. when he was 2 years old to continue at Harvard (teaching son that ideology is more important than family)

Stanley Ann Dunham (Mom)

*Communist sympathizer
*Practiced 'critical theory' (aka Marxism)
*Influenced by Nietzsche and Freud
*Left Hawaii for Indonesia, Pakistan
*Attended a leftist church nicknamed the 'little red church' because of its Communist sympathies
*Left Barack Obama Jr.

Mentor

*Barack's grandparents introduced Barack Obama Jr. to poet and communist Frank Marshall Davis (Link)
*Davis becomes a mentor as young Barack struggled with abandonment by parents

College & Church

*Admittedly sought out 'Marxist' professors (Link)
*Admittedly attended 'socialist conferences' (Link)
*Began attending a Marxist church - led by pastor Jeremiah Wright (attended for 20 years) (Link)

Career

*Tragedy of the Warren Court: No redistributive change (Link)
*Voted for TARP (Link)
*$787 billion stimulus redistribution bill
*Healthcare bill admittedly about 'redistributing the wealth'
*Single Payer Healthcare proponent (Link)
*President Obama now also President of GM & Chrysler
*President Obama seizes control of insurance giant AIG
*President Obama is leading America to single payer healthcare
*President Obama seized control of Student Loan industry in order to 'cut out middle man'
*President Obama seizes control in massive land grabs
*Repeatedly vilifies 'the rich'
*Obama believes race problems can be solved through redistribution of wealth... he said "race is still an enormous factor in our society. But economics can overcome a lot of racial division."
*Trying to regulate the Internet via FCC
*Forces mortgage co's to cover people who aren't paying mortgage (Link)
*Extends unemployment benefits to 99 weeks (Link)
*Told Joe the plumber 'it's better when you spread things around' (Link)



www.youtube.com...


*Wife Michelle Obama said “The truth is, in order to get things like universal health care and a revamped education system, then someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie so that someone else can have more.”

*Jim Wallis, Obama's spiritual advisor & forced redistribution of wealth advocate

www.youtube.com...

*Van Jones, disgraced Green Jobs Czar & Communist

www.youtube.com...

*Ron Bloom, Manufacturing Czar & anti-free market

www.youtube.com...

*John Holdren, pro-redistribution of wealth

www.youtube.com...


*Andy Stern, SEIU President & redistribution of wealth fan

www.youtube.com...


*Anita Dunn, fan of Chairman Mao

www.youtube.com...

*Mark Lloyd, FCC 'Diversity Czar

www.youtube.com...

therealbarackobama.wordpress.com...

*Carol Browner, socialist

www.youtube.com...

www.examiner.com...


*Robert Creamer, socialist

dancingczars.wordpress.com...

Robert McChesney

www.youtube.com...



posted on May, 22 2010 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by ressiv
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so????? wats youre point than against obama...?that he is born in kenia.. followed the american dream??

quoating you.... means that all the other races and illegals who are BORN in america are the truly americans...



This is in no way an attack on you, nor is it in any way supportive of the original poster, because according to the original poster, a "blog" being his source, he suggests our current President, Barack Obama, is not an American citizen.

But, seeing as most people do not understand, or have no clue of the requirements of the eligibility of those wishing to take office of the President, I'll clarify it based upon your post, and your post alone, in order to explain.

There's a very specific reason behind these requirements and I'll explain them after this quote.


Quote from : Wikipedia : President of the United States : Eligibility

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution sets the principal qualifications one must meet to be eligible to the office of president.

A president must:

* be a natural born citizen of the United States;
* be at least thirty-five years old;
* have been a permanent resident in the United States for at least fourteen years.

A person who meets the above qualifications is still disqualified from holding the office of president under any of the following conditions:

* Under the Twenty-second Amendment, no eligible person can be elected president more than twice. The Twenty-second Amendment also specifies that if any eligible person who serves as president or acting president for more than two years of a term for which some other eligible person was elected president, the former can only be elected president once. Scholars disagree whether anyone no longer eligible to be elected president could be elected vice president, pursuant to the qualifications set out under the Twelfth Amendment.

* Under Article I, Section 3, Clause 7, upon conviction in impeachment cases the Senate has the option of disqualifying convicted individuals from holding other federal offices, including the Presidency.

* Under Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment, the Constitution prohibits an otherwise eligible person from becoming president if that person swore an oath to support the Constitution, and later rebelled against the United States.

However, the Congress, by a two-thirds vote of each house, can remove the disqualification.


I've bolded and underlined the pertinent description which is in question.

Now, the rumormill, speculation, and wild accusations, without any sort of meritorious and factual evidence, is because of the alleged dispute as the to the eligibility of the man now residing within the White House, Barack Obama.

As I have stated in three different posts, which the original poster has ignored, so far, this particular thread belongs in the Hoax Forum because it is based upon a BLOG, which is not credible evidence of the actual "born in Kenya" implications, and false allegations of said claim are in actuality, a form of libel and slander, and could, if Barack Obama so chose to do so, become a criminal action, if he was a petty and small man.

Now, while I do not like Barack Obama, I stop short of using fallaciously erroneous "facts" to speak against the man, but my knowledge of politics, knowledge of political speak, called double-speak, and my knowledge of both Foreign and Domestic policy, because the usage of a blog as a means of attacking him, is nothing less than character assassination, via a less than honorable means.

While I live and breath, character assassination is something I am loathe to do and or be a part of, no matter my thoughts of someone, but I will call into question a behavior,and or pattern of behaviors, which are not one and the same.

I have been on the receiving end of character assassinations, both online, on ATS, and elsewhere, and offline, both at jobs and off the job site, it is one of the lowest, meanest, and idiotic forms of behavior, because it is nothing more than malicious lies formed and or spread upon the winds like a gossiping whore.

Please, take note, both you and the original poster, I am not calling either of you a gossip, nor a whore, nor a gossiping whore, but the blog, which has been used to form this particular thread is in fact nothing more than a waste of typing.

As I've said in these three posts seen here :

Blogs : About As Credible As A Boy Crying Wolf In The Sheep's Pen

...and...

Chinese Whispers : A False-Flag Operation Began By One Gossip Feeding Gossip

...and...

Waiting Patiently : Insert Jeopardy "Think" Song Here For Replies

This thread, being based upon a blog, is nothing more than a game of Chinese Whispers, essentially a False-Flag Operation, by a citizen.

Now, back to the eligibility, of the President of the United States of America, and the reason someone has to be a natural born citizen, and a few things come to mind.

And just for edification, I do believe America was stolen from the Native Americans, raped and pillaged, and the Indians were screwed, but, if they cannot hold their land, and or are unwilling to take it back, there's nothing I can do about that, because if they were willing to fight for it, I'd be willing to assist them in taking back their country, at the cost that I got to live in peace.

With them in harmony.

The reason America has that requirement, is because our Founding Fathers knew we would have issues with King George, once he got our Declaration of Independence, and therefore might send a usurper in through a foreigner infiltrating America in order to take it over, through our Presidency, at least that is my opinion, to some extent, as to how I understand it, and I'm shortening that explanation.

Now, one of the main issues that come with that, are the Illegal Immigrants, and when someone smuggles then into America via the Coyote's at the border, and when an illegal alien has a baby, on American soil, the baby becomes an American citizen automatically.

This is what most call an anchor baby, which makes it a circuitous route, for someone to gain citizenship, if they do, through sidestepping our immigration laws.

As well as this, there's Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, a man who moved here from Austria, with the goals of getting into Hollywood, getting into politics, and marrying a Kennedy, all of which he succeeded in doing, he's a famous movie actor, he's currently Governor of California, and married Maria Shriver, a "Kennedy baby".


Quote from : Wikipedia : Maria Shriver : Early Life

Shriver was born in Chicago, Illinois. A Roman Catholic of German descent through her father and Irish American descent through her mother, she is the second child and only daughter of the politician Sargent Shriver and Eunice Kennedy Shriver.

Eunice was the sister of United States President John F. Kennedy, U.S. Attorney General and U.S. Senator Robert F. Kennedy, U.S. Senator Ted Kennedy and five other siblings.

Shriver attended Westland Middle School in Bethesda, Maryland, a suburb of Washington, DC, and graduated in 1973 from Stone Ridge School of the Sacred Heart in Bethesda.

She received a bachelor of arts degree in American studies from Georgetown University in Washington, D.C., in June 1977.


Now, anyone who knows Arnie's history, knows about his ambitions in coming to America, I just have not found a video of several interviews where he's discussed his original ambitions when planning on coming here, but accordingly, in conjunction with that, and in tandem with knowledge of Governor Schwarzenegger, he's been quietly, most of the time, trying to overturn the requirements of the President of the United States of America, so he can run for the office, to gain access to the White House, sidestepping American law.

And for the edification of everyone within this thread, Governor Schwarzenegger, was born an Austrian citizen.


Quote from : Wikipedia : Arnold Schwarzenegger : Early Life

Schwarzenegger was born in Thal, Austria, a small village bordering the Styrian capital Graz, and was christened Arnold Alois Schwarzenegger.

His parents were the local police chief Gustav Schwarzenegger (1907–1972), and his wife, Aurelia Jadrny (1922–1998).

His father served in World War II with the German Army as a Hauptfeldwebel of the Feldgendarmerie and was discharged in 1943 after contracting malaria.

They were married on October 20, 1945 – Gustav was 38, and Aurelia was a 23-year-old widow with a son named Meinhard.

According to Schwarzenegger, both of his parents were very strict: "Back then in Austria it was a very different world, if we did something bad or we disobeyed our parents, the rod was not spared."

He grew up in a Roman Catholic family who attended church service every Sunday.


And Adolph Hitler was born in Austria as well, but later became a German politician, and I point that for those thrashing Barack Obama as being the alleged "Anti-Christ", because according to my research, Governor Swarzenegger has a better chance of being this Biblical character being an Austrian born American citizen and politician, like Hitler was an Austrian born German politician.

Especially considering the now Governor of California had the original intent to gain political office, one could, not that I am, allude that he had the intent towards infiltrating the American political machine, to use subversive tactics to gain our office of the President.

Especially since as we all know, history has a reputation, for always repeating itself.


Quote from : Wikipedia : Adolph Hitler

Adolf Hitler (20 April 1889 – 30 April 1945) was an Austrian-born German politician and the leader of the National Socialist German Workers Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, abbreviated NSDAP), commonly known as the Nazi Party.

He was the absolute dictator of Germany from 1934 to 1945, with the title of chancellor from 1933 to 1945 and with the title head of state (Führer und Reichskanzler) from 1934 to 1945.


All of this is relevant to this particular thread and or discussion, due to the thread being based upon the eligibility of Barack Obama, considering he resides in the highest office in the land, whether legally or illegally, which is hotly being disputed.

Now, while I do not like Obama, he is the elected President, but I am just ballsy enough to tell him to his face I do not like him, it has nothing to do with him being legal or illegally in office, it has nothing to do with him being black.

It has everything to do with his usage of cotton candy words, gumdrop dreams, and rainbow smiles styled speeches, which say a whole lot of nothing.

[edit on 22-5-2010 by SpartanKingLeonidas]



posted on May, 22 2010 @ 07:01 PM
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wow i just read the posted website a Obama Birther bash website that not even American! ! ! a Country that still believes in a Trophy Monarch
The U.K. ! The Irony is if he was Born in Kenya ! He would be a Legal Common wealth Citizen ! part of Britain as Kenya Was part of the British Commonwealth! DURING AT the Time of his BIRTH


Hostname www.thepostemail.com ISP Blueconnex MK Ltd
Continent Europe Flag GB
Country United Kingdom Country Code GB (GBR)
Region Unknown Local time*
23 May 2010 00:38
City Unknown Latitude 54
IP Address 109.75.169.117 Longitude -2

Pretty sad! but those same Birthers! have No Problem of Foreigner born Law makers to create laws in America! you know.... Arnold Schwarzenegger.. the Gov of California , and Henry Kissinger for example

how many Birthers in California voted a Foreigner to run their State!!!!

The same thing happen when Germany Voted for a Foreigner from Austria ! back in the 30s !


Well there is one thing you Birthers! cant refuse His Mother is a True American! !!!



posted on May, 22 2010 @ 07:19 PM
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You Birthers are never, ever going to let this one die are you? Why is it so important to you to get President Obama booted? What is so threatening to you about him?
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What is so threatening to you about him?
The answer is obvious & been proved to the Birthers over & over again. Refusing to believe reality in this case is inspired that he's not legitimate because he's Black. when all logical avenues are exhausted for not recognizing reality then the answer is racism. There IS another alternative...dementia.
On top of THAT the rightwingers here on ATS will pull out the "because I don't believe in Obama's policies you use the race card."



posted on May, 23 2010 @ 12:32 AM
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Originally posted by tauempire

Originally posted by ProjectJimmy
You Birthers are never, ever going to let this one die are you? Why is it so important to you to get President Obama booted? What is so threatening to you about him? Do not give me the "he's not a natural born citizen" line because it's tired and done. What about him is such a threat to you that he must be dragged through this never-ending mudbath by you people?


Because he is a socialist snake in the grass that is destroying this country more then bush EVER did in 8 years time.




I'm sorry, how exactly is he destroying the country? He is not a socialist, I doubt most people on here would know a socialist if they were smacked in the face with one. Race card or no, there's not reason whatsoever to hate the man other than race, ideology, or religion, none of which is a valid point.
I shudder to think of where we'd be if McCain had won. He'd probably have had a heart attack by now and the mouth that roared from Alaska would be running the country and we'd REALLY be f***ked.

[edit on 23-5-2010 by staver]

[edit on 23-5-2010 by staver]



posted on May, 23 2010 @ 12:32 AM
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Sorry, double post.
Sorry about the one-liner, too.
Sorry I've wasted an hour reading this tripe.

[edit on 23-5-2010 by staver]



posted on May, 23 2010 @ 01:10 AM
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Thank you for all the useful links, i'll be going through them and needed somewhere to start.

Im glad we can agree though that he is not a marxist in the vein of what marx wrote, but more of an authoritarian vein using some policies of marx.

Anyway thanks for all the links



posted on May, 23 2010 @ 02:01 AM
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Originally posted by Just Wondering
reply to post by kozmo
 
You know even if Obama came out and said "yes, you've been punked, I am not a U.S. citizen"
it wouldn't really matter to the 48% that still support him.

I really don't think they care or think this issue is an issue.


Current numbers put him at 39%.

An old video of his wife has her saying he is Kenyan.

I don't care either way as Mc Same would be another bush clone,
and I didn't like that bunch of murderers either.

Either party has offered only trash for several years now.

Bush and Clinton both knew about the drugs running thru Mena.

Obama's first job was for Kissinger.

Obama was asked on video if he was a member of CFR and I thought
the poor man was gonna swallow his tongue.

I think he said "ummm" about 10 times in the course of trying
to answer that question too.

Even if we got rid of obama we would get biden or hillary or
some other puppet that admits on video they take their orders
from the CFR, hillary did that in reference to the CFR post that
opened up closer to the state dept.

So to me it doesn't matter, to me they just like to stir the pot and
try to get ppl to do something stupid so they can move from
soft tyranny to hard tyranny after the ppl initiate "the dance".

Once the ppl are the bad guy then its justice putting them down.

Good Luck to you all !



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posted on May, 23 2010 @ 10:05 AM
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Whethern he was born here or not, whether he is violating the Constitution or not, the fact remains that he is destroying the country. This may be one sentence but is two lines.



posted on May, 23 2010 @ 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by ProjectJimmy
You Birthers are never, ever going to let this one die are you? Why is it so important to you to get President Obama booted? What is so threatening to you about him? Do not give me the "he's not a natural born citizen" line because it's tired and done. What about him is such a threat to you that he must be dragged through this never-ending mudbath by you people?


He's a puppet for the international central banks. Is that reason enough for you? He follows the same policy of Bush namely the debunked war on terrorism.



posted on May, 23 2010 @ 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by staver

I'm sorry, how exactly is he destroying the country? He is not a socialist, I doubt most people on here would know a socialist if they were smacked in the face with one. Race card or no, there's not reason whatsoever to hate the man other than race, ideology, or religion, none of which is a valid point.


Ideology friend, ideology! That is why so many of us dislike him. We are at a point in American history where the very fabric upon which this nation was founded is being unraveled and unwound and we have a preident who, instead of returning us to our founding principles, has ratcheted up the march toward socialist tendencies and continued loss of freedom. Is that not enough for a group to dislike him? Why the incessant accusations of being racist or bigoted? I think it is because his supporters know that what we are saying is correct and they have no defense to it whatsoever.

So our opposition to his ideology is not only a valid point, it is proven to be so when his supporters denigrate tyhemselves by sinking to the ad hominem claims that we are merely racists.



posted on May, 23 2010 @ 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by bonnieprince
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Thank you for all the useful links, i'll be going through them and needed somewhere to start.

Im glad we can agree though that he is not a marxist in the vein of what marx wrote, but more of an authoritarian vein using some policies of marx.

Anyway thanks for all the links


I never agreed to that, don't put words in my mouth, if you subscribe to ANY marxist theories, then you are in essence, a marxist. And yes, bama subscribes to MANY, if not most of them. One can be a marxist, a stalinist and a hitlerite all at the same time, they are all brothers in ideas and actions.





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