Undocumented student's arrest called part of 'civil rights disaster'

quite paradoxial

on one hand you want boarders to be closed and illegal thrown out
yet
on the other hand id cards and the means to prove you are a citizen is not an option

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Maybe this is how the PTB make us willing to allow it to be an option.

Although, in my opinion, if we did, they would still do nothing to keep the southern border secure. They would come up with some program that would allow Mexicans to come in just to work, with some limited access to other rights, so that the additional labor could keep wages down.

I personally dont see why it is racial profiling to ask for papers if the person speaks broken or heavily accented English. Sure, some new Americans who are legal will get caught up in the mess, but it isnt based on skin color, or nationality but lack of the native language. It would at least provide a strong incentive for new arrivals to learn to speak the language here and assimilate, and you would be highly unlikely to harass a native born person of any color. Only naturalized citizens would be inconvenienced, and we could just put in a disclaimer upfront when they take their vows.

Lets face it, someone has to get their feelings hurt in this process. The question is, who. Should it be the Americans? Or those born on foreign soil? If I were to immigrate to the UK and they made me carry a card stating I was a legal immigrant there, oh well. So be it. Their country, their rules. It should be the same here.

Doesn't surprise me any. You know how left wing campuses are these days.

The only thing that would have made the college any happier than her being illegal was if she was trans-gender.

They'd have been doing #ing backflips over that....

[edit on 17-5-2010 by Darkrunner]

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


Those other people dont count. Mexicans are special!


My Dream or Nightmare Illegal Immigration and the sympathizers

So in my dream all the illegal immigration proponents and illegal alien sympathizers along with the politically correct crowd make and pass laws in congress. Their are a few we call logical thinkers. They really have no say they are few in numbers but are vocal.


So the illegal immigrant issue finally comes up. Lt = logical thinker.

Sympathizer Bob:

Ya know these are good people just trying to make a life for their familys. So their are 15-20 million illegal immigrants here. I say we give them all amnesty !!!



LT Chris:

You know thats really not fair for the people who came before them who utilized the right channels to become legal citizens.


Sympathizer Antonio:

I agree with Bob, those who did it legally will just have to bite their tongue. We should give the illegals amnesty.

(and so it passes, current illegals are now citizens YAY!!!)

6 months later...........


Sympathizer Antonio:

Hey guys they love us and what we did 1 million more have crossed the border!!! What should we do?


LT Sarah:

We have to secure our borders and control immigration for security and population reasons.


Sympathizer Mike:

Can it Sarah! How is that fair to them? We gave the last couple million amnesty so these hard working poor mexican immigrants should get it too!


Sympathizer John:

I agree Mike it just wouldnt be right!! I vote giving them amnesty as well.


(and so the next 1 million get amnesty)

8 months pass.................................


Sympathizer Antonio:

Wow they just keep coming another million have crossed!!! What to do?


LT Josh:

Secure our borders please!



Sympathizer Bob:

I got a idea lets do away with the border, they are all hard workers and just want to get out of that cess pool. Do away with the border all together let them all come as they please.


Sympathizer Jane:

Great idea but we gotta be fair we gave all those others legal status so once we remove that imaginary line do we give all that come over legal status?


Sympathizer Mike:

Yes amnesty for all!!!!!!!!!


LT Josh:

But guys!!!! You're making a big mis...


Sympathizer Jane:

Oh hush Josh your just a racist stop spewing your hate!!


(and so it passes 63,000,000 of Mexicos 107,550,697 population decide to come to America and become legal citizens!!!! YAY!!!)

(3 months later..)


Sympathizer Antonio:

Guys we have been getting mail and pleads from all over the world!! Zimbabwe, Cuba, Liberia, Somalia, Ethiopia, Timor-Leste etc etc a billion + people wanna come they are asking to be americans!! What should we do?


Sympathizer Jane:

Wow some of those countrys are in way worse shape than mexico how can we deny them poor starving people entry? I mean at least the mexicans could get food some of these guys cant! But do we have room and resources?


LT Sarah:

No way!! The unemployment rate is higher than ever, crime is higher, weve already let to many


Sympathizer Mike:

Shhhhh why yes we let them in they are humans and remember we are not racists let them all come!!! In fact since they do not border us and the mexicans had a unfair advantage lets send ships, all our aircraft carriers to go pick them all up.


Sympathizer Antonio:

Yes the mexicans are no better than them are they? I myself would never be a racist lets go get them.


LT Josh:

People resources!! We cant save all the people in the world!! Its impossible. Land space and foo


Sympathizer Jane:

Hush Josh stop being racist. Do you expect us to say the mexicans can come over and give them amnesty and be unfair to these people and tell them tough luck?


(after almost 2 years of escorting all these people to america the US now has 1.6 billion people)

(20 years later america has 2.5 billion people and is on the verge of being a third world country. Food is in short supply. Not enough jobs. SSI is gone. 4 different languages are being spoken!)


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As ridiculous as this scenario was it images the thought pattern of some of you pro illegalers. Ohh poor mexicans. How about the millions of others who live in places that make mexico look like Beverly Hills? Just cause mexico borders us that gives them the right to come over illegally while poor Wendimu is 6000 miles away and eating dirt?

The US cant allow everyone who is poor and hungry to come over! Its impossible we dont have the resources. So who gets to choose who is coming over and being legalized if we open borders?

The only way to help Jose or Wendimu and be fair about it is to stop fighting wars and use the money to help FIX their countrys problems and remove the corruptness.

So stop calling logical people racists who know its not feasible to save everyone by allowing them in. And also knows it would be unfair to the ones who didnt get in if we just allow a bunch of certain people in cause they are bordered with us. Its not racism its realism!

If you give the people who broke the law amnesty you must give it to all who want to come or your own favorite word racist applys to you!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by ker2010

So stop calling logical people racists who know its not feasible to save everyone by allowing them in. And also knows it would be unfair to the ones who didnt get in if we just allow a bunch of certain people in cause they are bordered with us. Its not racism its realism!

If you give the people who broke the law amnesty you must give it to all who want to come or your own favorite word racist applys to you!!!!!!!!!

I think you must have misunderstood me.

I am not arguing that we should give everyone amnesty, nor that it is racist to want to deport illegals.

I was actually arguing against the people who claim that it is racist.

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I know you were i was agreeing with you and showing you my scernario

reply to post by kyred

Hello friend in some cities like miami,you can buy a car without a valid driver license,even with an expired driver license,you can get an insurance via internet,like progressive,they will insure your car giving you a policy number,and that's all you need to drive your car in the florida state,you don't need a valid license [non-expired] to transfer somebody else car to your name,with your expired driver license you can transfer somebody else car to your name,now to get the tag you need insurance which you can get via internet,with the proof of insurance they will issue a tag with the yellow sticker that goes in the corner valid for one year,now if your driver license is expired you can not drive any car under no circumstances,if you get pulled over the police has the right to arrest you in the spot,they know if your license is expired is most probably because of your inmigration status,the majority of police in miami will write you a ticket that you will take to the judge,the judge will fine you for about 351 dollars,and that's it,it is up to you if you want to take the chance to be arrested and then deported,or park your car in the garage and ride a bicycle.

Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by staple
Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented student"is like calling a drug dealer an Unlicensed Pharmacist?

When she turned 18 she should have made right on her immigration status. What blows me away is how long she stayed in the country illegally.

That is part of the reason these threads go south pretty quick. You assume she could have made her immigration status right at age eighteen. The law may not have given her the chance to do so and even if it did she may have been ignorant to the fact.

I'm not saying this should leave her off the hook but at least it should help you understand why she did what she did.

She was ordered deported after finishing her studies. How is this not being held acoountable for her accions?

"Go south" sounds like a good idea to me. Breaking the law is still breaking the law. Being ignorant of the law is not an excuse. She broke immigration laws, motor vehicle laws, etc. Unless she was paying her taxes(doubtful) she was a drain on the system you and I pay for.
I hate to see bad things happen to good people but at least she was not popping out children to get gov. handouts.
The school system failed in this case to obtain legal documentation.
If she stays to finish school, then that is more than enough leeway. Even if she is deported she can attend collage in Mexico. Playing the poor me card is unacceptable.

Originally posted by staple
"Go south" sounds like a good idea to me. Breaking the law is still breaking the law. Being ignorant of the law is not an excuse. She broke immigration laws, motor vehicle laws, etc. Unless she was paying her taxes(doubtful) she was a drain on the system you and I pay for.
I hate to see bad things happen to good people but at least she was not popping out children to get gov. handouts.
The school system failed in this case to obtain legal documentation.
If she stays to finish school, then that is more than enough leeway. Even if she is deported she can attend collage in Mexico. Playing the poor me card is unacceptable.

I don't see your point. She got caught. She was ordered to leave in a year giving her the chance to finish school which, as you said, is more than enough leeway. She's not playing anymore cards. If she has a chance to come back legally I guess she would give it a shot and if not well she'll make a life for herself elsewhere.

[edit on 18-5-2010 by daskakik]

Thank you all for your comments, I wanted to post some recent statements and articles related to this incident:

Being good in intention does not always make a person right in action and here we find the crux of the problem with illegal immigration in general.

The law is the cornerstone of our America and if one wishes to be American, one cannot hope to ever do so by starting off with the flagrant disregard of the one thing Americans jointly hold sacred. But, again, hopes and dreams are powerful motivators and I can find no fault with the intentions of a good family to provide the best for their children.

Source:www.huffingtonpost.com...

Consider this, the girl WAS a child and not in control of her situation as such, but she was in college, a political science major. She had been in KSU since 2006. KSU says she was going as an "in state' student, her fees were not as much as an out of state tuition, the college has already stated she will have to back pay all the out of state fees she now owes.




www.ajc.com...

I just don't see at what point she, or any other undocumented immigrant, could reveal themselves and apply their knowlege they have gained, the law would have allowed her at 18 to take care of this matter, yes she would have to have gone back to mexico, and return, and do so legally. Since she did not do this, she has no answer as to what next? So you graduate college and you still can't even get a license. What kind of job do you expect?


A law student and political science major would surely be aware for the last three of her adult years that she had a major problem on her hands, she had to know she would not even be able to apply her skills attained because of her illegal status.

edit to add: the second article here states she did not recieve any finacial aid, not even a hope grant. She paid cash for school.


[edit on 20-5-2010 by space cadet]

Originally posted by space cadet
but she was in college, a political science major.

Really? Let me make a prediction.

She will be allowed to come back and get her citizenship.

She will then act as a community organizer for the newly amnestied hispanic population. In 25-30 years, she will run and be elected president of the North American Union.

reply to post by Wolf321

Really? Let me make a prediction.

She will be allowed to come back and get her citizenship.

She will then act as a community organizer for the newly amnestied hispanic population. In 25-30 years, she will run and be elected president of the North American Union.

This will never happen, there will never be a NAU....

The People of Mexico the patriots and lovers of our country will never allow this to happen.

Now you can either look at my comment as sarcasm or you can believe me for what i'm saying. But honestly it's both.

Canada will be a part of your country before Mexico ever will.....

I approve this message.

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edit to add: the second article here states she

did not recieve any finacial aid, not even a hope

grant. She paid cash for school.

Thanks for posting that Space Cadet.

At least now this girl will merely be looked at as the eliphant man and not the leaching mooch several people of so called "high values" have slandered her as.

[edit on 21-5-2010 by Izarith]

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Well how did she pay for college? She must have had a job. If she is illegal, then she is not allowed to legally work in the United States. This means her employer was paying her "under the table", avoiding taxes.

If she was avoiding taxes, that means she was leaching off of tax payers.

The roads she was driving on, payed for by tax payers, maintained by tax payers. The city lights that lit up the road as she drove down them, payed for by tax payers. The public school she was going to when she was 11 to 18 years of age was payed for by tax payers. When she got a job, she probably took a job that a tax payer could have obtained. Now a legal tax payer is out of work, and now that an illegal is getting payed "under the table", that is less tax money to help pay for the roads, the public schools, the police, the fire fighters, etc....

Multiply that one illegal immigrant by millions, and you will see how they are bankrupting America.

When people are here illegally, there is no way for them to not be leaches.

I feel sorry for this girl. However, I guess she just isn't bright enough to obtain a student visa, or green card. She failed. What a hard life lesson she must be learning.


[edit on 21-5-2010 by ALLis0NE]

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Izarith, you keep speaking of an open door, right? And it`s our governments fault for it, right? Then why rip these people for it and not the government? Is it because you believe it`s the peoples fault for letting the government get away with it? If that is the case, one could say the same thing about the people that are still in Mexico, correct? Are they not letting their government get away with many things that they don`t like?

As for that open door, and it being nothing but a temptation, do the Mexican people understand right from wrong? You would like us to get our government in line, right? You should say the same thing about your government also. Even though that door may be open somewhat, does that still give the Mexican people the right to come here illegally? Yes, ALL people should have the right to an education, and a good job, and our country was open to all that wanted to come here LEGALLY to find it.


Both sides of my family were German and Dutch. Both sides came here, because they wanted their children to grow up as free people back in the 1840s. And they did it legally. Not once did they ever feel the need to fly a German, or Dutch flag. Why? Because they wanted to be Americans and they felt a great pride for a country that allowed them and millions of others to better themselves. That is why some of them fought and died for this country and flag. Even when Germany called for them to return to the father land, they thumbed the noses at Germany and fought in the American Army.

That same door was open then, and my family walked through it legally, the same as your fellow countrymen should do.

reply to post by FiatLux

Izarith, you keep speaking of an open door, right? And it`s our governments fault for it, right? Then why rip these people for it and not the government? Is it because you believe it`s the peoples fault for letting the government get away with it? If that is the case, one could say the same thing about the people that are still in Mexico, correct? Are they not letting their government get away with many things that they don`t like?

I only rip people a new but when they have their head up the very same. America is by the people for the people.

Illegal immigration is a huge problem not only for the US but also for Mexico. sure Mexico makes a tun of money off of money sent back from the USA but Mexico can not progress as a suitable nation as long as we are hooked on US money like crack addicts.

Mexico has a lot of problem But our problems are not as bad as those of the USA. And for years Mexico has made progress reversing the despotic situation we are in while the US has dug themselves deeper into one. There are thins happening in Mexico that you will not see on the news and they have been happening for years.

But all our work is being undone by the involvement of the US funding the PAN government. I understand that this is not the fault of the American people it's is the Mexican people's responsibility to do this. But Mexico needs to Stop populating your country.

The US government is destabilizing Mexico in order to destabilise itself. The worse my country is, the more people run to yours and make your country worse.

There is a very easy solution to this problem but it requires the people of America to stop falling for the traps your government sets up. Americans have to forget about illegal immigration, forget about Mexicans and head full force and focused against The absurdly lax hiring policy your country has when it come to illegals.

Creating stricted rules and severe punishments for your companies will leave no options to illegals but to go back to Mexico, Legal immigration will increase ten fold and wages will not be able to drop.

Picking on a girl who is paying her own way through collage is nothing but a waist of time that does nothing but deplete a mans soul to charcoal.

If we want to keep our countries apart and sovereign we need to work together. We the people of each country need to go after the ones pinning us against each other like dogs in a dog fight.

As for that open door, and it being nothing but a temptation, do the Mexican people understand right from wrong? You would like us to get our government in line, right? You should say the same thing about your government also. Even though that door may be open somewhat, does that still give the Mexican people the right to come here illegally? Yes, ALL people should have the right to an education, and a good job, and our country was open to all that wanted to come here LEGALLY to find it.

Illegal immigrants don't care about right and wrong, it's not about right and wrong when you are poor and going to America will make you rich. Read my post about what i say about my government I say bad things about it all the time.

But my government does not have tentacles though out the whole of the world like the US does.

How can you ask some one to not go to your country illegally when it's 100% easier to go to your country illegally. But if you stop giving them jobs they wont go to your country, why would they?

these are ignorant illiterate people your dealing with, do you honestly expect them to have a moral epiphany before they cross the border?

Do you want a solution to the problem or do you want to just waist your tax money on deporting the same guy 50 times over and over again?

Both sides of my family were German and Dutch. Both sides came here, because they wanted their children to grow up as free people back in the 1840s. And they did it legally. Not once did they ever feel the need to fly a German, or Dutch flag. Why? Because they wanted to be Americans and they felt a great pride for a country that allowed them and millions of others to better themselves. That is why some of them fought and died for this country and flag. Even when Germany called for them to return to the father land, they thumbed the noses at Germany and fought in the American Army.

The USA military is crammed packed full of Mexican illegals dude. Look up the states. Crammed full of them, they joined for papers any papers they could get.

That same door was open then, and my family walked through it legally, the same as your fellow countrymen should do.

Shoulda, woulda, coulda the fact is they don't have to, so don't hold your breath for them to do so.

And just to let you know German immigrants in the USA were treated 100% times worse than Mexican illegal immigrants are today.

Back in those days there was no such thing as a legal or illegal immigrant, your both sides of your family were but another derogatory word back then.

My Dutch German heritage is something I am proud to have researched and came up with quite a bit of information. One of the things I found out was how well recieved my grandfather was. He became popular quickly in south ga and had several businesses in Valdosta. He was asked to and lead the parade each year , and was affectionately known as 'the little dutchman'. Not quite a horror story.

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I agree about our companies. They should be shut down long enough to clean house of those who are allowing it to take place, then restructured and reopened. As for the German people being slammed back then, yes they were, but it`s funny, that the ones doing the slamming, their families were from other countries as well. Shows how ignorant some people can be. My family knew there would be some who wouldn`t understand them, but they stood fast and came through.

Well, I have a feeling, at the speed that this government works, that this economy will fall apart first before the government does anything about the hiring practises of these companies. It`s sad, but true.

reply to post by space cadet


It took my families a few years, but were able to speak both German/Dutch and English. They didn`t start using all English till after the 50`s. In fact, my great grandmother scolded her kids for not using all English around the house. She would scold them in German(lol).

reply to post by FiatLux

I agree about our companies. They should be shut down long enough to clean house of those who are allowing it to take place, then restructured and reopened. As for the German people being slammed back then, yes they were, but it`s funny, that the ones doing the slamming, their families were from other countries as well. Shows how ignorant some people can be. My family knew there would be some who wouldn`t understand them, but they stood fast and came through.

Americans are really great people. You are a breed of a different kind and your blood line has been through some hard core stuff and came though.

Americans are a very proud people but so are Mexicans, and not all of us want to be Americans. For every illegal or legal Mexican immigrant there are 100 proud Mexicans who love Mexico. and Americans need to know this.

Well, I have a feeling, at the speed that this government works, that this economy will fall apart first before the government does anything about the hiring practises of these companies. It`s sad, but true.

America's stregnth is in it's people not it's economy, it's never been it's economy.

Americans just need to remember this. things will get bad, But as long as the American people remember that they are what made it great, the economy can get as bad as it wants.

that's one reason why the Mexican government has never fallen despite all the theft and plundering. We Mexican just don't care what our government steals, we have our own lives to live. Screw the economy, give me a nice big assed sweet pretty wife, some beans, land and freedom the rest can go run their little world.