Young Aussie genius whipping NASA in Moon Hoax Debate!

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Utter twaddle.

And, this same member has tried posting these same nonsense and non-comparative videos before, in this very thread. Many hundreds of ATS pages back.

People who do not understand the differences between the so-called *examples* of the dirt bike and four-wheeler videos, and the real videos from the Apollo EVA missions are needing a remedial course in science and physics education.

Or, one merely has to take some time to peruse this one ATS thread, to find all the explanations already provided.

This latest onslaught of the same, same, same irrelevant *examples* smacks of an intellectual vacuum of the highest order....or, an intentional agenda of some sort.

WILLIAM BILL COOPER & Moongate P3/5



Part 1 www.abovetopsecret.com...
Part 2 www.abovetopsecret.com...

Bill Cooper talks about the fact that astronauts did not seem burdened by the their suits

One could see this in how easily the astronauts bounded about with "kangaroo hops"




So space suit bulkiness could not have been the issue in restricting the jumps.

The following is a summary of information taken from The Voyages of Apollo by Lewis which points out the degree of control exercised over the Apollo mission activities.4 Heindicated that the astronauts tasks were all carefully plottedout in advance. The explorers were expected to follow the plot as faithfully as actors in a play to stay on schedule. Every move was planned, timed, recorded, and every deviation from the plan had to be explained and justified. Virtually every event and movement was governed by the flight plan—a script as large as a telephone book. It seems that even the dialogue was carefully controlled, especially when the astronauts knew they were being filmed or recorded for television. This will be demonstrated later when references to a "hot mike" are made by one of the astronauts.

Cooper says, he has a degree in photography, and, in regards to Apollo 12, can attest that the horizon in the photography was always 100 meters from the camera. Regardless of the terrain:


The first Apollo 12 discrepancy of significance revealing a high lunar gravity occurred just after Conrad jumped the final three feet from the bottom of the ladder to the Moon's surface.


As Conrad stood on theLunar Module landing pad, he stated that the last step mayhave been a small step for Neil, but was a long one for him.He then stepped off the pad and mentioned that he couldwalk pretty well, but that he had to take it easy and watchwhat he was doing. As Conrad was scooping up the contingencysample, Bean warned him not to fall over since he appeared tobe leaning forward too far. Supposedly, it would be difficult for him to get up in the Moon suit if he fell over. Conrad thenstated that he did not think Bean would be able to steamaround as fast as he thought he could. In the above incident, it seems that Conrad was commentingon the final 3-foot jump since he referred to Neil Armstrongsjump down to the surface, not an intermediate step to thelowest rung on the ladder. Jumping from a 3-foot height inone-sixth gravity would be like jumping from 6 inches on the Earth. Even with the heavy backpack life-support systems on,the 3-foot drop would have scarcely been felt by the astronauts. They should have been able to lower themselves down with their arm strength alone, and no difficulties should have been encountered... When Conrad began to move around on the surface, he may have experienced weight problems. However, even with the alleged weight of the gear, the astronauts should have had no problems in standing up if they fell down in one-sixth gravity. They would have been able to provide the necessary push to right themselves with their arm strength alone since their Moon weight should have only been 60 pounds or so. The evidence presented does not support the contention of one-sixth gravity. It indicates a lunar gravity close to that found on the Earths surface.

Originally posted by FoosM

 

 

WTF!?

How is posting a new Jarrah White video, the subject of the thread, off topic?
What kind of conspiracy is this?

A quick review of newspaper articles shows that NASA has always had difficulty keeping proper inventory of the Apollo lunar sample material. The 1979 article shows 25 pounds of material has been stolen, is missing, or unaccounted for.

The Apollo moon rocks are minerologically worthless in themselves.. The value in moon rocks is in the scientific value and the mythological value.

There fore, NASA has kept ~750 pounds of lunar material on lock down for 40 years. NASA is refusing access to the ~750 pounds of lunar sample material because these rocks are of terrestrial origin.. and NASA wishes to promote ignorance rather than science.

Apollo 11 gift rocks typically weigh just 0.05 grams, scarcely more than a grain of rice. The Apollo 17 gift rocks weigh about 1.1 grams. Both are encased in plastic globes to protect them and ease viewing.

Each US state got both sets of rocks, and Gutheinz said he and his students have accounted for nearly all the Apollo 17 rocks, though some are in storage and inaccessible. They have only just begun researching Apollo 11 rocks in the states.

"NASA turned over the samples to the State Department to distribute," said Jennifer Ross-Nazzal, a NASA historian, in an e-mailed response to questions. "We don't have any records about when and to whom the rocks were given."

"The Office of the Historian does not keep records of what became of the moon rocks, and to my knowledge, there is no one entity that does so," e-mailed Tiffany Hamelin, the State Department historian.

That may seem surprising now, but in the early 1970s, few expected Apollo 17 would be the last mission to the moon. With the passage of time, the rocks' value has skyrocketed.

NASA keeps most of the 382 kilograms (842 lbs) gathered by the Apollo missions locked away, giving small samples to researchers and lending a set of larger rocks for exhibitions.

Source www.independent.co.uk...

WILLIAM BILL COOPER & Moongate Pt 4/5


Bill discusses Astronaut training.

Walter Cunningham was the first to try out theMoon suit, backpack life-support system, and certain tools to be used by Armstrong and Aldrin on the Moon excursion. In the first test over lava rocks, Cunningham lost his balance and sprained his thumb, tearing small holes in the suit glove which caused it to lose pressure.





Now, considering that Astronauts were able to do full simulation on Earth in full gear, would mean what... they managed to lift 185 pounds worth of gear, or their gear did not actually weigh 185 pounds. Could even be that the moon's gravity is actually higher than 1/6th that has been told to us by scientists??

Throughout the early Apollo missions, an attempt wasmade to impress the public that the Apollo Moon suits wereextremely bulky and awkward. This would greatly inhibit theastronauts mobility on the Moon. Consequently, the astronauts would be effectively handicapped and incapable of impressive athletic feats. It is somewhat unbelievable that from the timeCunningham tested out the best available spacesuit gear in 1964 until the first Apollo landing in 1969, little improvement seemed to have been made in the suits. The public has always been told that the best equipment was provided for the astronauts. Certainly enough money was paid to develop the best possible equipment. A little digging brought an interesting discovery to light. In Suiting Up For Space written in 1971, Lloyd Mallan stated the following: As a matter of fact, Hamilton Standard had already achieved a space suit with 93 percent of nude range before October 1968, when they demonstrated it before the aerospace scientists and engineers attending the Fifth Annual Meeting of the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics held at Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Live demonstrations of the suit during the week-long meeting attracted wide interest and attention... plus some disbelief. It was hard for some of the onlookers to believe that so much mobility could be designed into an inflated space suit. But it was. For the advanced suit was developed to meet the greater mobility requirements of manned space missions to follow the Apollo moon-landing program.

perhaps NASA wanted to continue to con-vince the public that the Moon had a weak gravity. If theastronauts were encumbered, there would be less chance of abreach in the cover-up. The bulkiness and weight would begood excuses for anemic jumping and maneuvering attempts.However, it was just pointed out that the Apollo 16 astronautshad great flexibility with improved suits, yet they were still not capable of worthy jumping feats.

In the July1971 issue of National Geographic in an article entitled "The Climb up Cone Crater", Alice J. Hall stated: Apollo 15s LM will be able to stay on the moon 67 hours, twice as long as Antares did. Improved suits will allow greater mobility as the spacemen go about their chores. The reader can compare the sizes of the Apollo 11 suits with the Apollo 16 suits and see that the latter suits were less bulky in appearance. Therefore, astronauts on the Apollo 16 mission should not have had any trouble on the Moon if one-sixth gravity conditions existed.


Something, something ain't riiiiight.....

Mobility of space suit developed by Hamilton Standard Div. of United Aircraft Corp. is demonstrated in series of photos of test subject at Windsor Locks, Conn., facility. Subject in pressurized suit has greater mobility range than in present designs and can bend, jump, squat and perform mild exercises. Suit has 93% rnobility of nude range, according to designers.

agentdc.uah.edu...

Special feature is set of built-in, simu. lated fingernails on two digits of each hand for picking up small objects such as coins (left center photo, opposite page). While subject bends forward, suit permits him to touch feet. In bending backward, he has unusual mobility. He also is able to jump and reach hands above head, movements that are impos- sible in current suit designs. In sitting position, subject can maintain relatively normal upright attitude, whereas present suits, when pressurized, force wearer into semi-reclining position. Designers say new suit is particularly suitable for extra-vehicular activity, including lunar surface mobility. Subject even is able to do mild pushups

reply to post by FoosM


All you have to do is research into even the latest generation of EVA suits that are used outside the ISS.
(Unless you also think the ISS is fake??)

Misunderstanding and misinterpreting (whether intentionally or not) the historical articles and descriptions written about the suits does not a "conspiracy" make......


[AND]....citing "(Milton) William Cooper" as a *source* for anything is scraping the bottom...literally....he would do anything for attention.

(Feel free to also search for 'Deconstructing Bill Cooper', a multi-part series on YouTube)

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter


There fore, NASA has kept ~750 pounds of lunar material on lock down for 40 years. NASA is refusing access to the ~750 pounds of lunar sample material because these rocks are of terrestrial origin.. and NASA wishes to promote ignorance rather than science.

You obviously missed this link on the previous page - how to request access to NASA's stash of moon rock

Originally posted by WWu777

3. NASA cannot put a man safely in space above 1000 miles from the Earth's surface. So how could it have sent men 240,000 miles to the moon six times with no casualties? It doesn't make sense.

WWu777,you are obviously alluding to the 2 Shuttle tragedies that happened to Challenger in 1986 and Columbia in 2003.........even though they orbit between 200-250 miles above the Earth NOT 1,000 miles.

There were only 11 Apollo manned flights compared to 135 space shuttle flights.......as we are all too aware the most dangerous stage of any space flight is take off.........and the second most dangerous is re entry into Earth's atmosphere.

So despite the loss of life, the space shuttle only had 2 fatal flights out of 135.........a quick mental calculation would mean that that is less than 2%.
Now had Apollo had 135 flights rather just 11 then they may well had a number of fatal missions.....in fact Apollo 13 was a close call......so your reasoning doesn't really hold up WWu777.

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter


There fore, NASA has kept ~750 pounds of lunar material on lock down for 40 years. NASA is refusing access to the ~750 pounds of lunar sample material because these rocks are of terrestrial origin.. and NASA wishes to promote ignorance rather than science.

You obviously missed this link on the previous page - how to request access to NASA's stash of moon rock

Yes we've seen that process. It is a despicable insult to science. Those rocks ought to be made open for scientific scrutiny. NASA keeps them on lock down because they are terrestrial in origin.

It won't matter in a few years because those NASA rocks won't be worth much. They will retain some sort of memorabilia or collector's interest , but scientifically, they are in fact worthless.

The mythological Moon Rocks they are a laughing stock. The scientists have been calling loudly for "new sample returns" because NASA doesn't allow to examine these ~750 pounds of rocks!!

Foreign space efforts and commercial interests will be bringing back capsules full of the stuff soon enough. Any one of us can hazard a guess as to when that will be happening. Maybe 4-5, or 8-10 years from now.

It all depends on how successful those missions are. There is a New Race to the Moon!!! The myth of Apollo is almost over.

Originally posted by backinblack
True, on earth most are lucky if they jump 12"...

But that's without a spacesuit. How high could a 180lbs astronaut, with a 200lbs spacesuit, jump on Earth? Only a couple inches I would think.

Originally posted by ProudBird
But of course, what really destroys Jarrah White are the actual photographs from the LROC currently on orbit.

The latest batch come after the spacecraft was positioned into the lowest orbit possible, in order to achieve even better photo resolution. For example:

No offense, just quoting the pertinent parts. You aren't fooling anybody by posting NASA's 3x enlargements. Anybody with a spec of intelligence is going to see the differences.

Originally posted by jra

Originally posted by backinblack
True, on earth most are lucky if they jump 12"...

But that's without a spacesuit. How high could a 180lbs astronaut, with a 200lbs spacesuit, jump on Earth? Only a couple inches I would think.

If it was only 6" then that would equate to 3' on the moon which is what I said..

BTW, you sure the suits were 200lbs??

The thing that kills me is the people that reject the Moon landings use NASA statistics and MSM science to try and disprove the landing.

The logic fails because while you can claim you have caught them in lies you do not have an alternative source of facts because those facts are very closely guarded by an elite few.

It is not landing on the moon they are hiding or lying about. It is the reality and revelation of what the moon really is and what it means to our existence and our perception of our existence they are hiding.

But please continue fighting over snippets of 50 year old video "evidence" and pseudo science all day long while those that repress the real knowledge laugh at you from afar.

Originally posted by Helious

It is not landing on the moon they are hiding or lying about. It is the reality and revelation of what the moon really is and what it means to our existence and our perception of our existence they are hiding.

Do tell, what are "they" hiding about the moon?
And how do you come to that conclusion?

WILLIAM BILL COOPER & Moongate Pt 5/5



astronauts Lovell and Haise practiced a traverse in Verde Valley within Prescott National Forest, Arizona.




This was to give them the experience they would need to reach Cone Crater on a ridge about 400 feet higher than the proposed landing site elevation. Again, the author suggests to the reader that practices in Arizona would be totally useless if one-sixth gravity were to be encountered on the Moon.

Their centers of gravity on the Moon would be different from the Earth simulations and the Earth weights would be three or four times too high to reproduce lunar conditions. However,the practice sessions would certainly have been useful in simulating near-Earth gravity conditions. If Cunninghams backpack and spacesuit had weighed 185 pounds, he would have become totally exhausted in minutes, but he was not. Incredibly, his 1964 simulations involved spacesuit pressure. This implies that he carried oxygen and some sort of cooling system, otherwise he would have quickly passed out from heat exhaustion.

All this evidence points to the conclusion that the life-support systems and spacesuits were light enough for the astronauts to have performed in high lunar gravity conditions for extended periods of time. In addition, this was accomplished as early as 1964 and developmental efforts would have lightened the gear considerably by 1969. The combined spacesuit and life-support system weight was probably less than 75 pounds.


Think about it... they trained in their suits on Earth.
These suits supposedly get hot REAL fast.
So how where they keeping cool?
How where they breathing?
How could they move with all that equipment that supposedly weighed 185 pounds?

Apollo astronauts practiced every second of their mission, even planting the flag (above), many times, indoors, outdoors, in space suits, underwater, in planes, in centrifuges, in pools, in the ocean and anywhere else NASA saw fit.

Whats the point of this?:

Neil Armstrong practices reaching the first rung of the ladder to climb back into the Lunar Module Eagle in this image from July 9, 1969, one week before Apollo 11 launched.

Does Neil really think he needs to take such steps to get off and on the ladder in 1/6th gravity?


On their first EVA or Moon excursion, Lewis mentioned that Shepard and Mitchell moved around with dancing steps and kangaroo jumps. Unfortunately, it seems that the firstexcursion must have gotten the best of them because on the tripto Cone Crater, the explorers were huffing and puffing andtheir heart rates climbed. The difficulties were attributed to their semi rigid, cumbersome suits and the heavy backpack life-support systems which supposedly weighed 185 poundson Earth.

It is important for the reader to understand that the combined weight of astronaut, spacesuit, and life-support system could not have exceeded 62 pounds in one-sixth gravity. This could hardly be considered a sizable fraction of their Earth weight. For men who were moving with dancing steps and kangaroo jumps the day before, slight hills seemed to present a formidable challenge. If the Moons weak gravity presented such an awesome challenge to astronauts in walking uphill, then perhaps the excellent physical condition which these men were supposed to be in was overrated.


So on the one hand, astronauts had no problem moving within the suits, on the otherhand, they were huffing and puffing when climbing hills on the moon.


BILL COOPER EXPLAINS IT ALL




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Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
]Need to see Jarrah and Joe Rogan do a video in which they take turns destroying the moon rocks, the radiation, the photos and astronaut credibility.

I have just listened to Jarrah on one of his numerous Youtube videos...........and far from sounding like a "genius" he comes across as someone with only a rudimentary grasp of the technical aspects of this subject.

Jarrah's number one "proof positive" that the moon landing was hoaxed was the "Van Allen" belts.......citing that man couldn't possibly go through the Van Allen belts and survive.
This is his number one reason why he thinks the moon landing was hoaxed

The Van Allen belts as a reason that man could not go to the moon has been thoroughly debunked many times.

Sorry Mr Jarrah Youtube White ........but if that's the best you got, then its time to close up shop!

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Originally posted by Logical one
Jarrah number one "proof positive" that the moon landing was hoaxed was the "Van Allen" belts.......citing that man couldn't possible go through the Van Allen belts and survive.
This is his number one reason why he thinks the moon landing was hoaxed

The Van Allen belts as a reason that man could not go to the moon has been thoroughly debunked many times.

Sorry Mr Jarrah Youtube White ........but if that's the best you got then its time to close up shop!

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The issue of the Van Allen's Belts can only be debunked when another space agency (not NASA) has repeated the journey with a human being in a space capsule.

It is clear that no agency on Earth has the technology to attempt it at the present time. extra DIV