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Young Aussie genius whipping NASA in Moon Hoax Debate!

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posted on Oct, 20 2011 @ 11:36 PM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
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There are 2 parts to eth explaination:

1/ someone went to the moon and bought back some rocks.

2/ Clearly research institutions are careless and should not be entrusted with such rare ressources.


You overlooked a couple of major details:

3/ "... reported to the NASA Inspector a person was stealing moon material samples and how it was being accomplished."

4/ "745.31 pounds that remained ‘untouched’ by the study program have never been fully verified by NASA since being weighed originally after the Apollo flights."

That is the fox guarding the hen house, eating the hens and refusing to cooperate with an audit of hens. Looking forward to the spin response




posted on Oct, 21 2011 @ 12:14 AM
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Anyone want to bet on whether or not the OP is the Aussie "genius" lol


If only that were true. Alas, seems not. Most likely, it is this person, who posts online in other forums, with the same username:

WWu777 Google Search Results

Each may draw one's own conclusions, based on facts and evidence.

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posted on Oct, 21 2011 @ 01:05 AM
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No - they are irrelevant to answering your question - not sure what your line of thought as to why they are relevant is
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posted on Oct, 21 2011 @ 01:35 AM
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Well, it sure is odd that Deke Slayton would go ballistic over the postal covers incident and fired/removed from flight status 4 astronauts over it... (Dave Scott, Jim Irwin, Al Worden and Jack Swigart) while at the same time... the Lunar Receiving laboratory ( a purpose built lab for moon rock quarantine ) is missing 24 POUNDS of lunar material!

So you have no comment about a thief running around in the lab???

It sure is odd that NASA would keep 740 pounds of moon rocks on lock down for 10 years. I thought NASA brought those moon rocks back to be studied so why are they in lock down?????

Because they are terrestrial in origin????



posted on Oct, 21 2011 @ 02:05 AM
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Originally posted by FoosM

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter

I think if the vacuum chamber and vacuum glove were compromised then the lunar samples were probably contaminated. Good Job NASA... went all the way to the moon to bring back potentially lethal untested moon rocks that could have wiped out the human race...


Ok, I got it, up to 20 people were exposed to lunar dust,
but conversely those events meant that they had an excuse to claim the lunar dust/samples were contaminated by our environment.


Yep, the quarantine building had failures, ie, vacuum chamber gloves and ventilation problems. Humans were "exposed" and held in the quarantine building. The boss of the lab admits that people were going "in and out all day". And 10 years later, as we have found by diligent research, there was a moon rock thief and a moon rock audit in 1979 which admits that 24 pounds of moon rocks were missing or unaccounted for.

Then there is the strange phenomenon of the "gift rocks" given to all 50 states in the US. So many rocks went missing that there had to be a "task force" to find them all again!

In a few years NASA's fake collection of moon rocks will not be worth much more than terrestrial dirt.



posted on Oct, 21 2011 @ 02:57 AM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Oct, 21 2011 @ 03:15 AM
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Originally posted by FoosM

What Now?




Need to see Jarrah and Joe Rogan do a video in which they take turns destroying the moon rocks, the radiation, the photos and astronaut credibility.

Al Worden quoted a poll "back in the day" which said that "13%" of people didn't believe in the moon landings. I wonder what that percentage is today?



posted on Oct, 21 2011 @ 03:26 AM
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This is a still from a very rare video and it comes off Worden's own website alworden.com. The Video clips are copyright © 1971/1972 The Fred Rogers Company.

I'd like to be sure when exactly Al Worden appeared on the Mr Rogers Neighborhood Tv show. Was it before or after Deke Slayton fired him?




posted on Oct, 21 2011 @ 05:04 AM
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WILLIAM BILL COOPER & Moongate
PT 1/5


Jump to... about 6:00
Bill begins with the athletic possibilities of 1/6th gravity:
A 180-pound man would weigh a mere 30 pounds.
The public and writers were anticipating spectacular athletic feats when astronauts explored the Moon, but none were ever performed.

(An astronaut would go more than six times higher jumping on the moon than what he could do on Earth.)


In the November 1967 issue of Science Digest, James R. Berry wrote in his article, "How to Walk on the Moon" that men would be able to make14-foot slow-motion leaps, perform back flips and other gymnastics like professionals, and be able to easily move up ladders and poles.


in 1969 by the writers of U.S.News & World Report predicted that a home-run hitter in a lunar baseball game could drive a ball well over half a mile.



Or golfers could sail golfballs clear over the horizon.



After taking his second shot, Shepard observed the ball seemed to travel for "miles and miles and miles." Theoretical astrophysicist and ScienceBlogs writer Ethan Siegel put this claim to the test, calculating just how far you could send a golf ball flying in the airless, reduced gravity environment of the Moon.

He found that, assuming the golfing astronaut knew how to adjust his approach to properly take advantage of the Moon's environment, he could easily hit the ball 2.5 miles. Perhaps even more amazingly, the ball would likely stay in the air for about 70 seconds before finally coming to a rest.

...Indeed, considering Earth's longest golf shot was probably Mike Austin's 515 yard drive in 1974, Shepard almost certainly holds the unofficial record for longest drive in human history.

io9.com...

However,


Shepard esitmated the ball traveled 200-300 yards

wiki.answers.com...


Impressed?



posted on Oct, 21 2011 @ 06:39 AM
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The public and writers were anticipating spectacular athletic feats when astronauts explored the Moon, but none were ever performed.


Was the primary purpose of the Apollo program to provide athletic entertainment? Rather than once again hashing through the kinesiology of locomotion under lunar gravity*, I will instead simply toss the burden of proof back to you. If NASA wanted to convince everyone that they really landed on the Moon, they would need to meet everyone's expectations, correct? So, if people were expecting craggy craters, glistening stars and eighteen foot jumps, NASA should have made sure to satisfy all these expectations. Since, in your opinion, the astronauts were being flown on wires, why didn't they make it a point to make any eighteen foot jumps? They had the SFX technology back in 1950, and by your own estimation, special effects technology had improved immensely since then:



Skip ahead to around 1:03:00. Now that's what a Moon landing should look like, right FoosM? A shiny, streamlined spaceship with big fins, stars gleaming in a black sky, a craggy, dramatic moonscape.... And Sayanara, check it out! They claim the Moon for the United States by the grace of God! Now that's how to do religious propaganda... too bad they didn't do any of that in real life. Anyway, back to the point: if they could use wires to show astronauts jumping eight feet in the air in 1950, why couldn't NASA do it in 1969?

*For the benefit of readers who have skipped the earlier two discussions of this subject on this thread, here it is in thumbnail: When we talk about jumping, we tend to think of how high our feet are from the ground. In Olympic records, the jumper twists his or her body around the center of gravity, raising the feet higher. What is important is how how one can raise one's center of gravity." This is not as high as one might think.



posted on Oct, 21 2011 @ 06:42 AM
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I'd like to be sure when exactly Al Worden appeared on the Mr Rogers Neighborhood Tv show. Was it before or after Deke Slayton fired him?


Deke Slayton did not fire him. We've been through all that. What relevance does Mr. Rogers have to all this? And if it is relevant, why not do your own research?



posted on Oct, 21 2011 @ 06:45 AM
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*For the benefit of readers who have skipped the earlier two discussions of this subject on this thread, here it is in thumbnail: When we talk about jumping, we tend to think of how high our feet are from the ground. In Olympic records, the jumper twists his or her body around the center of gravity, raising the feet higher. What is important is how how one can raise one's center of gravity." This is not as high as one might think.


True, on earth most are lucky if they jump 12", though on the moon that would be 6'..

Allowing for the backpacks lets say 3'..

I personally didn't see them jump more than the normal 12"...



posted on Oct, 21 2011 @ 06:48 AM
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Al Worden quoted a poll "back in the day" which said that "13%" of people didn't believe in the moon landings. I wonder what that percentage is today?


The number has fallen to 6%, thanks to the religious propaganda of Bart Sibrel:


Sibrel may seem crazy, but he has company. A 1999 Gallup poll found that a scant 6 percent of Americans doubted the Apollo 11 moon landing happened


edition.cnn.com...



posted on Oct, 21 2011 @ 06:52 AM
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Personally, although it is doubtful that the radiation issue will be solved within that time period, I for one would like to participate in the Red Dragon mission. Like my Fly Jarrah To The Moon fund raise, traveling aboard SpaceX's mars bound craft will give me first-hand proof as to whether or not the cislunar radiation is survivable.


Good grief... another scam. Either he thinks the radiation is deadly or he doesn't. If he's genuinely prepared to go into space to prove his point, why doesn't he simply sunbathe under an X-ray machine for a few days and see what happens?



posted on Oct, 21 2011 @ 07:02 AM
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Yep, the quarantine building had failures, ie, vacuum chamber gloves and ventilation problems. Humans were "exposed" and held in the quarantine building. The boss of the lab admits that people were going "in and out all day". And 10 years later, as we have found by diligent research, there was a moon rock thief and a moon rock audit in 1979 which admits that 24 pounds of moon rocks were missing or unaccounted for.


Of course people were going in and out of the lab all day. Were they supposed to sleep there? Since when does "missing or unaccounted for" mean stolen? In order to study the samples, rocks were ground up, sliced, diced, dissolved, burned, irradiated and otherwise damaged or destroyed. Twenty four pounds of material out of 840 is less than three percent. The Lunar Receiving Lab's procedures were somewhat improvised, like the Lunar Orbiter filing system, so it's not clear how accurate the accounting would be in the first place. NASA has certainly learned from their experiences:


Instructions for the Return of Lunar Planetary Samples to
NASA Johnson Space Center
ACCOUNTABILITY & HISTORY
Use Curatorial Form F-75. Complete one "Curatorial Form F-75, Return Sample Accountability & History" (Part A only) for the return of each sample which appears on your inventory listing. You do not need to complete the form to return samples which were issued to you as thin sections or probe mounts unless they were used in analysis by ion probe, proton probe, or other destructive technique. Use "Form F-75, Continuation Sheet" to list any subsamples that you have derived from the samples that you were assigned. If you have not made any splits, only the first page of the form need be used. If you have made more than 5 splits of any sample, you may either reproduce the "Continuation Sheet'" yourself, or you may obtain additional copies from the Curator by contacting the Sample Control Center.
Use Official Sample Numbers According to Your Sample Inventory. You may obtain a current listing of your samples by contacting the Sample Control Center at 281-483-2254 or FAX 281-483-5347.
Document Sample Utilization According to Mass. Enter the appropriate mass for each item in the spaces provided in Part A, lines 1-8. The masses should refer to the entire sample which appears on your inventory listing. Note that the masses which appear on the inventory reflect the amounts for which you are currently accountable, and may differ from the original masses which you were issued. Such differences reflect transfers of portions of the samples which were authorized by the Sample Curator, any amounts consumed which you reported as the result of an annual inventory, or parts of the samples which you previously returned.
Document Sample History with Regard to Contamination or Modification. Document the contamination history for each sample in the spaces provided as block 9 of Part A. The following questions should be used as guidelines:
Has the sample been chemically degraded by exposure to or admixture with major or trace elements, organic or inorganic liquids, or heavy metals?
Has the sample been exposed to an electromagnetic field?
Has the sample been separated based on mineralogical or petrological properties, grain size, density, or magnetic properties?
Has the sample been exposed to gases other than dry nitrogen, such as air, inert gases, or halogens?
Has the sample been heated, fused or dissolved, or otherwise undergone any thermodynamic change in state?
Has the sample been irradiated or undergone neutron activation?
Has the sample been affixed to or imbedded in a substrate such as glass or epoxy? Samples degraded in this manner will include thin sections, probe mounts, potted butts, grain mounts, etc. Please be specific as to the current state of the sample.
If the sample is a thin section or probe mount, has it been subjected to ion-probe analysis, proton-probe analysis, or other destructive method?


curator.jsc.nasa.gov...



posted on Oct, 21 2011 @ 07:07 AM
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So you have no comment about a thief running around in the lab???


So in your mind, "unaccounted for" automatically means "theft?" Interesting.


It sure is odd that NASA would keep 740 pounds of moon rocks on lock down for 10 years. I thought NASA brought those moon rocks back to be studied so why are they in lock down?????


They're not. As soon as Jarrah gets his astrophysics degree and publishes a paper or two he'll be able to request some for himself:

curator.jsc.nasa.gov...



posted on Oct, 21 2011 @ 11:19 AM
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Allowing for the backpacks lets say 3'..


And, once again it seems necessary to point out that "jumping" as it's understood for us here on Earth, when unfettered and unencumbered is very, very different.

If you could put on a full body suit that was inflated to be roughly 3.2 PSI above your ambient Earth air pressure (14.7 PSI nominal at Sea Level), and then tried your "jump" again, the restrictions in the overall flexibility of the body suit would limit your ability.......which is very close to the circumstances the Astronauts were faced with.

Another common mistake people make is comparing a 60-pound weight on Earth (bag of sand, or concrete mix for example), and when thinking of the Moon, using a ten-pound bag (potatoes, let's say) in the comparison, as the 1/6th weight.

That only addresses weight, in a gravitational field. On the Moon, that same 60-pound bag may only weigh ten pounds on a scale, but still has the same mass as it did. Therefore, it will be subject to the same laws of physics of acceleration in a gravitational field. in other words, has the same moment of inertia.

Best video evidence of an Astronaut actually *jumping* with all his effort, for no reason associated with any EVA duties or activities, is John Young on Apollo 16. He did it for a different kind of flag photo op. It is blatantly obvious how little flexibility there is, when wearing the EVA suit. One cannot employ the full suite of one's leg muscles unhindered, because of the confines and limitations of the suit itself!! And you can see, this is full-max effort.



The rate of movement in terms of acceleration due to gravity of anything that is free-falling is obvious (hint: the soil, for instance). And, the Astronauts themselves. But, that is harder to gauge by just using the unaided Human eye, unless you had an accurate stopwatch to refer to.

Better proof of the actual gravity is by observing a pendulum. Might wish to brush up on the physics of a pendulum, and periods measured when it swings, in case anyone has forgotten.



Anyone who wants to argue that this was somehow "faked" had better get busy.














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posted on Oct, 21 2011 @ 02:50 PM
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Originally posted by DJW001
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So you have no comment about a thief running around in the lab???


So in your mind, "unaccounted for" automatically means "theft?" Interesting.



The newspaper account says "stealing". 4 people involved in the story:
An auditor working for Claude Lynch,
A Johnson Space Center security official,
An employee working in the Curatorial facility,
and
"a person was stealing moon material samples".




posted on Oct, 21 2011 @ 03:14 PM
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So essentially....regardless of the distractions and attempted diversions posted in this thread, that go wildly off-topic, the fact is that *SayonaraJupiter* acknowledges that Lunar materials brought back from the six manned Apollo landing missions exist.

What else is left, then, to this thread?

Jarrah White has been discredited so often, it is foolish to deny.

The recent announcement by Russia that they are drawing plans to establish a permanent Lunar base is just further evidence that any claims made in the 400+ or 500+ (?) nonsense YouTube videos by Jarrah White are without merit. Especially, his assertions of the "deadly" nature of Human space travel outside the of Earth low orbit.


But of course, what really destroys Jarrah White are the actual photographs from the LROC currently on orbit.

The latest batch come after the spacecraft was positioned into the lowest orbit possible, in order to achieve even better photo resolution. For example:



More will be forthcoming, in months and years and decades ahead. People like Jarrah White are pressed for time --- they know the clock is running out on their nonsense, and they are trying to milk every bit of cash from the gullible that still exist in the world, an ever dwindling supply.


Of course, many will still bleat on about NASA and its alleged "lies". Seems that in order for that nonsense claim to be continued, those same sheep will have to include the Arizona State University as well, amongst their "list of perpetrators"....

It is funny, but tragic, at the same time.


Arizona State University department of Physics

Arizona State University School of Earth & Space Exploration

And, ASU is not only involved with NASA (through JPL) involving images from the Moon:

NASA Spacecraft Camera Yields Most Accurate Mars Map


The map was constructed using nearly 21,000 images from the Thermal Emission Imaging System, or THEMIS, a multi-band infrared camera on Odyssey. Researchers at Arizona State University's Mars Space Flight Facility in Tempe, in collaboration with NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., have been compiling the map since THEMIS observations began eight years ago.



In the words of YouTube's phillwebb59:

"Ciao Moon hoax conspirators, where ever you are."



posted on Oct, 21 2011 @ 03:30 PM
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WILLIAM BILL COOPER & Moongate PT2/5



Cooper continues to discuss the inability of an astronaut's jumping ability on the moon in Apollo footage.
Saying that weight would not have been an issue: NASA claimed that the gear weighed 185 pounds, a heavy weight to carry if you are on Earth, but on the moon, in one-sixth gravity, the total combined weight in one-sixth gravity would be only 62 pounds. Which is still about one-third of an astronauts Earth body weight. So astronaut should have been able to jump vertically far higher than they could on Earth.

Bill then points out, its not only the astronauts that are not accomplishing , but also the dust from the rover. The rooster tails do not especially go any higher than you can find on Earth.




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A standing vertical jump of at least 18 inches on Earth can be accomplished by exerting an upward force of around 500 pounds by a 185-pound person...
The televised pictures of John Young on the Moon indicated that he was ableto utilize his arms and legs for jumping in an essentiallynormal manner. The resulting ratio of relative jumping ability calculated... turns out to be over four. This means that even with the astronaut gear, Young should have been able to jump over six feet off the ground if the Moon had one-sixth of the Earths gravity. In actuality, his efforts lifted him at most 18inches off the ground... A lot of writers seemed to give the impression that the Moonsuits worn by the Apollo 11 astronauts were extremely restrictive. Yet, the following information taken from We Reach the Moon by Wilford indicates that this was not necessarily the case.


Jumping: 3.5 PSI @ 8:52

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