Young Aussie genius whipping NASA in Moon Hoax Debate!

reply to post by Logical one


James Van Allen is a well known scientist so he should know about the scientific method, part of which:

Scientists assume an attitude of openness and accountability on the part of those conducting an experiment. Detailed record keeping is essential, to aid in recording and reporting on the experimental results, and supports the effectiveness and integrity of the procedure.

Reproducibility is the ability of an experiment or study to be accurately reproduced, or replicated, by someone else working independently. It is one of the main principles of the scientific method.

As an example, NASA has claimed to crash probes into the Moon. Russia, India and Japan also claimed to crash probes on the Moon. Reproducibility has been satisfied.

2nd example, NASA has claimed to soft land probes on the Moon. Russia has also claimed to soft land probes on the Moon. Reproducibility has been satisfied.

3rd example, NASA has claimed to land human beings on the Moon and return them safely to Earth. No other nation or space agency has reproduced this trick. Therefore - reproducibility has NOT been satisfied.

reply to post by FoosM


I really wish, for the benefit of those who "pop in" to this thread, you would explain in your own words what is significant in this post you made, and in the videos contained therein:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

"Bill" Cooper (aka "William" Cooper) is a well-known liar and fraud. So, what benefit is there to continue in spamming this thread topic with that nonsense????

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

As an example, NASA has claimed to crash probes into the Moon. Russia, India and Japan also claimed to crash probes on the Moon. Reproducibility has been satisfied.

Huh??? Is this becoming, in order to satisfy the delusions of a "fake" Apollo and all that, an assertion....of.....

...EVERY COUNTRY ON EARTH is "faking it"????

Someone has lost their mind........

Originally posted by arbiture
Anyway the point is if you still want of piece of "moon rock"? Last I heard one of the last bits is sitting in a lab in Cambridge, England. Ask them.

edit on 22/10/11 by arbiture because: this is getting sooo old...

Wrong. NASA has ~750 pounds of lunar sample material on lock down for 40 years. NASA won't let anyone work on these rocks. They are afraid that scientists will show that the rocks are terrestrial in origin.

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter


I call your assumptions and assertions BS!!!

Prove me wrong.

I saw where you were trying to go with this line.....and apparent nonsense *strategy*......it is an ultimate fail, and is only a sad attempt at best.

Do try to strengthen your *argument* with facts, and not mere *opinions*.....

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter

James Van Allen is a well known scientist so he should know about the scientific method, part of which:

Hmm now who do you think knows more about the Van Allen belts......

A graduate of TV and film who likes posting Youtube videos.....who has no scientific qualifications or career experience in science.

.............Or

Dr Van Allen

Hmm tough choice!

Originally posted by Logical one

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
]Need to see Jarrah and Joe Rogan do a video in which they take turns destroying the moon rocks, the radiation, the photos and astronaut credibility.

I have just listened to Jarrah on one of his numerous Youtube videos...........and far from sounding like a "genius" he comes across as someone with only a rudimentary grasp of the technical aspects of this subject.

No different then how you come across,
right?

Originally posted by arbiture
I swear, as God as my witness this is the LAST TIME I will comment on this BS! The Russians monitored everything we did in our race to the moon.

No they didnt.
Goodbye.

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter


There fore, NASA has kept ~750 pounds of lunar material on lock down for 40 years. NASA is refusing access to the ~750 pounds of lunar sample material because these rocks are of terrestrial origin.. and NASA wishes to promote ignorance rather than science.

You obviously missed this link on the previous page - how to request access to NASA's stash of moon rock

Yes we've seen that process. It is a despicable insult to science. Those rocks ought to be made open for scientific scrutiny. NASA keeps them on lock down because they are terrestrial in origin.

ROFL - it is "despicable" for NASA to ask people to justify wanting access to a priceless limited resource?? What sort of moron are you exactly??

And where is some proof they are terrestrial in origin - which labs do you have reports from??

Come on - you make the claim as an absolute fact - so where's your concrete (sic) evidence??

Originally posted by FoosM
No different then how you come across,
right?

Look.......... Dr. Van Allen himself says that claims that Apollo astronauts could not survive the radiation are "nonsense"(Worth repeating!)..............now what more evidence do you need to tell you that Jarrah White's knowledge is limited concerning the subject of Van Allen's belt radiation and it's effect on the Apollo crews?

Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by FoosM

 

I really wish, for the benefit of those who "pop in" to this thread, you would explain in your own words what is significant in this post you made, and in the videos contained therein:

Well if you took the time to read the posts, and listen to the videos, instead of quickly trying to denigrate Bill Cooper, you might of read my points and questions.

Its quite simple really.
How much did these rigs (Suit and PLSS) weigh that you see these astronauts in?



And, how were they kept cool?
How did they breath?

Originally posted by Logical one

Originally posted by FoosM
No different then how you come across,
right?

Look.......... Dr. Van Allen himself says that claims that Apollo astronauts could not survive the radiation are "nonsense"(Worth repeating!)..............now what more evidence do you need to tell you that Jarrah White's knowledge is limited concerning the subject of Van Allen's belt radiation and it's effect on the Apollo crews?

What was the exact text of Dr. Van Allen?

As a follow up to this post I made:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

LunaCognita has made a video explaining discrepancies that he or she has found.

In this presentation, we will be taking a comprehensive look at an evidence contradiction from the Apollo 17 mission. Specifically, the discrepancies in NASA's Apollo 17 mission archives highlighted here are related to the hand and finger injuries that astronauts Cernan and Schmitt suffered during their 22 hours and 4 minutes of EVAs outside on the lunar surface.

We begin here by first examining the official NASA archive evidence from Apollo 17 (evidence recorded both during and after the mission) to conclusively demonstrate that the idea of "significant hand trauma" suffered by the Apollo moonwalkers due to the design limitations of their EV pressure gloves was most definitely a very serious and recognized problem that could not be avoided. That evidence is important to appreciate because it clearly establishes both the legitimacy and severity of the declared hand and finger trauma that Apollo 17 astronauts Cernan and Schmitt both extensively admit to suffering from.

The presentation then moves on to more closely examining the discrepancies between what the official historical record tells us happened to Cernan and Schmitt's hands during the mission versus what we see (or rather, do not see) in the available mission archive image evidence. As this examination will show you, the descriptive testimony from Cernan and Schmitt regarding their hand and finger trauma simply does not appear to match the official NASA photographic public archive evidence from their mission.

This evidence does not mean that Apollo 17 astronauts Cernan, Schmitt and Evans did not journey to the Moon. I personally do not doubt at all that Cernan and Schmitt landed on the lunar surface and walked around up there, and I am also quite sure that the hand and finger trauma they so vividly describe suffering was real and most definitely did occur.

What really happened during the Apollo Program was a multi-faceted series of lies that were designed to protect the "greater truths" about those missions by hiding them from the public behind a well-built cover-story veil - the implementation of which was covertly justified by the Powers That Be under the auspices of "maintaining global security and stability".

This evidence shown here in this presentation is highlighting just one discrepancy of many that exist in the public Apollo archives, and it helps to further demonstrate that the official historical record claims of what happened (and when) during the Apollo Program is not necessarily the "complete and uncensored" truth that so many still believe it to be.

For anyone interested in checking the accuracy of the claims I make in this video, here below is a link to the official Apollo 17 Photographic Index from the NASA archives. In this document, you can see that all the 35mm imagery I show in this presentation was indeed exposed during "TEC" (Trans-Earth Coast), which was during the return journey to Earth after the moonwalks had already taken place.
www.hq.nasa.gov...

reply to post by FoosM


ALREADY discussed, in this thread.

A few (hundreds?) of pages back.....terrible attempt at polluting this topic, with already debunked info.....

(Three thumbs down....I only have two thumbs so that is fairly epic.....)

reply to post by FoosM

Its quite simple really.
How much did these rigs (Suit and PLSS) weigh that you see these astronauts in?

And, how were they kept cool?
How did they breath?

That is one image of astronauts training in order to prepare for the real deal.....the actual Lunar EVA.

That is a still photograph. It is NOT a video.

Try again, but you will fail....as evidenced each and every time previously, with assertions made, but proven incorrect.

How "did they breath(sic)?"

Using the same PLSS units that kept them alive on Lunar EVAs....and, in the other training sessions, that are done in the water pool.

Shame that some cannot understand the concept of "training" for a real task to be accomplished.

Guess it means that all flight training based on simulations is not *real*...even though it adds to the skills need to accomplish the real-life reality.......

DIFFERENCE is....when training on Earth, you cannot die immediately if there is a failure in the PLSS, or for any other reasn.

This is so easy to undtrstand, for the majority of rational and thinking adults on this planet......

Originally posted by FoosM

What was the exact text of Dr. Van Allen?

I already posted it before......but here you go:

"The recent Fox TV show, which I saw, is an ingenious and entertaining assemblage of nonsense. The claim that radiation exposure during the Apollo missions would have been fatal to the astronauts is only one example of such nonsense." -- Dr. James Van Allen

Originally posted by backinblack
BTW, you sure the suits were 200lbs??

From the sources I've read. The A7L was 201lbs and the A7LB was 212lbs.

My source was this wiki article: Apollo/Skylab A7L, which references this book: US Spacesuits(page 362).

Originally posted by ProudBird
"Bill" Cooper (aka "William" Cooper) is a well-known liar and fraud. So, what benefit is there to continue in spamming this thread topic with that nonsense????

Well, the whole context of this thread is from a well known liar and fraud, Jarrah White, posted by Winston Wu, who from what he has posted on the internet is also untruthful, so posting yet another video from a liar and fraud would fit right in.

Where Did The MOON Come From?

Authors:Wright, Karen
Sourceiscover; Feb2003, Vol. 24 Issue 2, p60, 8p, 3 Color Photographs

Abstract:Investigates several theories on the origin of the moon. Discussion on the giant-impact theory; Similarities between moon and Earth rocks; Estimation of the formation of the core of the Earth.

TODAY THE APOLLO LUNAR samples are housed in a special NASA facility in Houston and loaned to investigators under strict conditions. At the University of Arizona, planetary scientist Tim Swindle keeps a few milligrams of moon dirt in a safe in a locked basement room that's checked nightly by security guards. Some of the soil traveled to Earth via Apollo 11; another sample was scooped up by robots in the Luna program, which the Soviet Union launched at about the same time.

"These samples were of course very valuable when they were first brought back," says Swindle, pulling a vial of dirt from the safe. Yet superficially, he says, there's not much difference between lunar rocks and "rocks out of the parking lot."

He sifts some gray brown lunar dust onto a microscope slide. Under magnification, there are hints of an unearthly provenance: Some of the dirt has been "weathered" by meteor impacts, with smaller grains and glassy surfaces produced by crushing and melting. In spectrometric tests, some of the dirt also shows signs of exposure to the solar wind--charged particles that stream from the sun and bombard the moon, which, unlike Earth, has neither an atmosphere nor a magnetic field to shield it.

But the mineral composition of moon rocks--including elements such as iron, silicon, magnesium, and manganese--resembles that of Earth rocks, says Swindle. And the distribution of oxygen isotopes--a feature that, like a local accent, tells scientists what part of the solar system a rock hails from--is also identical to that of terrestrial geology. "The rocks are fundamentally made of the same stuff as the rocks on Earth," Swindle says.

But the Apollo samples differ in important ways from Earth rocks. For one thing, moon rocks are drier than anyone expected. It may seem obvious that rocks are dry. But on Earth, water molecules seep into spaces within the crystal lattices of minerals. Scientists recently estimated that hydrated minerals in Earth's lower mantle could store about five times as much water as the oceans hold. When researchers analyzed moon samples, they couldn't wring out a drop. "Nobody has found even a single molecule of water in moon rocks," says Melosh (Jay Melosh, a planetary scientist at the University of Arizona in Tucson). The moon rocks are also depleted of volatile elements such as sodium and potassium that, like water, vaporize readily.

Source web.ebscohost.com...=aph &AN=8977532

This article explains that NASA keeps ~842 pounds of lunar samples on lock down for 40 years ... but only 400 grams are loaned to scientists each year. (fyi : 400 grams = 0.88 pounds). Researches have been looking at the same samples for 40 years.

The lunar samples do not hold any science value while they are locked in a vault. There is no logical reason to keep the lunar samples locked up when there are scientists now designing missions for new sample returns. Keeping 99% lunar samples locked away does not help NASA's scientific credibility.

Title: The Keepers of the Moon. By: GUGLIOTTA, GUY, New York Times, 03624331, 07/08/2008

Mr. Allen is the astromaterials curator at the Johnson Space Center, home of the Lunar Sample Laboratory Facility, a secure repository opened in 1979to house 842 pounds of Moon rocks and soil collected by astronauts in six visits.

The rocks on the lunar surface, lying virtually unchanged in a weatherless vacuum since their formation, offer opportunities to investigate the origin and evolution of the solar system available nowhere else, and the study deepens with each new generation of scientists and scientific instruments.

Each year an independent peer review panel evaluates new research proposals, and curators mail out about 400 lunar samples to 40 to 50 scientists worldwide. Almost all are less than one gram in size. ''We don't hand them out, we only loan them,'' Mr. Allen said. ''We're not planning to run out any time soon.''

In recent years the rocks have also helped researchers to answer practical questions that have emerged since President Bush's 2004 proposal to return to the Moon by 2020 and set up a permanent outpost. Planners are using the rocks to study the pernicious effects of regolith on machinery and astronaut health. They are learning how to extract oxygen and other vital elements from lunar rocks and soil. And they need to understand how to shield living spaces from the deadly radiation that eternally pounds the lunar surface.

The samples -- 2,200 of them -- are kept in nitrogen-filled boxes in a stainless steel vault on the second floor of the 14,000-square-foot repository, and are transferred to other parts of the lab in airlocks. Technicians prepare shipments in glove boxes containing sterile tools and containers.

The samples are numbered and sorted by expedition. All of the Apollo landings, beginning with Apollo 11's historic mission in 1969 and ending with Apollo 17 in December 1972,were at equatorial sites, but terrain differed each time and the samples reflect the differences.

Oh look! Yet another reference to deadly radiation