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The Ice-Age UFO in Estonia

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posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 09:15 PM
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You said:

"What I like about this Case is that an actual location is provided so that anyone can just go and check."

People, if the details given above are even half-way true about the composition and size of the object, there is absolutely no way it remains where it was found. The US government may have kissed off the possibility of it being a ancient UFO for awhile (if it were discovered here), but the Russians would have sealed off the area and had that thing out of there in a few days. Hell, they would have moved the whole damned town!

After, all this would be the long sought proof!




posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 09:29 PM
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seriously? we have a potential alien craft/object under someones backyard, just 25ft under and the government have not bothered to dug it up because of an angry lady? somebody put a baseball bat to my head because this crap doesn't add up for me.



posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 09:32 PM
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Please go back to page 3 and read my post and check the link I put there. It is all about numerous sightings and encounthers by villagers/townspeople.

I would appreciate you thoughts about all the stories on there-from 1938 to present. If your interested, of course. I am thinking you being from there maybe able to shine some light.

Thank you.



posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 10:19 PM
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If this is true I would love to see some pics and an english translation. Also if it was something the military would have taken that farm and dug it up and move it to another facility.



posted on Apr, 29 2010 @ 11:57 PM
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I think I managed to find the place on google maps, the location is 59.496262,24.836311, just put it into google maps and you should be able to pull it up. Didn't look like much was going on there though. Couldn't really see much but if someone else wants to give it a shot, good luck.



posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 12:48 AM
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Originally posted by Helmkat
A: Was there something in the nature of the object that prevents its removal?
B: Was there something in the nature of the object the lead to its studiers to imagine it as something mundane and thus not worth the effort of removal?


These are questions that all the UFOlogists involved in the research of this should have been asking.



posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 12:55 AM
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Originally posted by ilaruum
They also quote Russian version of Pravda's (yeah, I know) article (published in 2006), saying that the object was burried in 1988 on a certain day, decided by some Estonian shaman (or simmilar). In 1991 a group of Japanese scientists and, apparently, intelligence people tried to excavate it, but there was some problem with permits and everything ended with a scandal.


Lots of superstition in Tallinn. Or maybe the object really did radiate harmful energy.



Here is an album with some photos of the place and something


Excellent to get a visual.



As for one of the scientist that OP mentioned in his opening post - W. Kaptchaukas is actually Vytautas Tadas Kapaciauskas (orig. Kapačiauskas), Lithuanian engineer geologist, it's said that he's a famous specialist in bioenergetics too (in Lithuania).


Its encouraging to know that the people talked about in these articles really exist.



posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 12:59 AM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555
The Gallium component could explain the shock, cold feeling, numb feelings people were having.

That report on this object sounds weapons grade to me. An unexploded bomb casing perhaps. Maybe that is why the Russians were so interested in it. Gallium has been used in Alloys for many years now. It could well have been in use in Alloys in WW2 in fact. You all might look to see if any bombing was done in that area or if any weapons were buried there after the war.


A very interesting post in combination with this one:


Originally posted by StargateSG7
the object may be one of those
buried old Radioisotope thermoelectric generators
from the 1970's and 80's era Soviet Union:


Thre's always the possibility that Russians are using UFOs as a cover-story to hide that they dont clean up their garbage.



posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 01:04 AM
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Originally posted by djvexd
Skyfloating, I have heard of the Kaiu swamp before in my researching of "mystery lights" aka Marfa lights, Brown's mtn, etc. Apparently this area is very active with sightings of balls of lights, dancing through the swamp, shooting into the air, etc. I will see if I can dig some info up on it. I was gonna include it in one of my upcoming research topics but wanted to stay stateside with my research.




Originally posted by opiate
Kaiu raba is a place not taken lightly... people have gone missing and reported strange things like military people telling then not to go further to the swamp. Here they call it the ET swamp... the port for aliens.Estonia is full of these kinds of places.Im amazed that someone would post something like that here... we are a small country!


If any of you can come up with any pictures of the swamp-area that would be cool - just to get an idea of the place.

[edit on 30-4-2010 by Skyfloating]



posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 01:07 AM
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Originally posted by spikey
This sounds VERY similar to the Siberian domes, that native reindeer herders have spoken about for generations.


Great, Im getting another thread idea already



posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 01:09 AM
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Originally posted by Amandla
Maybe. You know, there are caves in Himalayan mountains, where noone can ever go, because this energy just kills you. Monks say, that there are secrets so important, than they would never tell them, even not to God
. There are probably some stuff in(side) this world we are not supposed to mess with.


Do you maybe have some more info about it? a link maybe? I am interested!



posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 01:10 AM
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Originally posted by cripmeister
Edit to add: It struck me that the title of this thread is wrong. It's not a UFO, it's buried under ground.


True. The title is something catchy for Estonians searching Google. Actually its a UBO, Unidentified Buried Object - but who the hell would Google that?



posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 01:16 AM
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Originally posted by tampafl007
I think I managed to find the place on google maps, the location is 59.496262,24.836311, just put it into google maps and you should be able to pull it up. Didn't look like much was going on there though. Couldn't really see much but if someone else wants to give it a shot, good luck.


Going to Hobekuuse street there is one property that seems to be heavily fenced or bordered and another piece of property where trees seem to be growing. Im wondering on which side of the street it is, which property it actually is.

Because the one Google-Earth-Shows as #34 does not seem to be it (comparing it with the picture of the property posted earlier).

[edit on 30-4-2010 by Skyfloating]



posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 01:39 AM
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The object is described as 11 ft thick at the center.
Do they mean it's metal all the way through, or is it hollow ie is there room to accommodate a pilot?



posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 01:46 AM
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Originally posted by StargateSG7
I'll weigh in on this that the object may be one of those
buried old Radioisotope thermoelectric generators
from the 1970's and 80's era Soviet Union:

See These Links:

en.wikipedia.org...


www.bellona.org...


www.absoluteastronomy.com...


They were built like tanks, heavily armoured in some cases
and many times BURIED underground where the local villagers
had NO CLUE as to where or what they were. The could in some
instances look very much like UFO's because they were heavy
and solid, being made from very hard stainless steels and lead
lined radiation-containment materials.

They also contained Plutonium-238, Curium-244 or Strontium-90
which are so very, very dangerous being highly radioactive !!!

Other uses:

www.cna.ca... 0Generators


My guess that the house sits on or near an old military
airfield, an old weapons storage centre or is near an
air navigation system where a crew buried a device as
a radio beacon for the Soviet bomber fleets. Many of these
devices were just left everywhere in the wild and in some
villages where the locals had NO CLUE what they were!

They were originally to run for 10 to 20 years without servicing
BUT the fuel can still be dangerous for DECADES or even hundreds
of years and there are more than a few still out there uncharted
and utterly forgotten and EXTREMELY DANGEROUS if they are
opened up! The radiation coming from these devices (if breached)
could EASILY KILL with hours or days.

So WATCH OUT as these devices were dumped all over the
Ukraine, Estona, Latvia, Siberia, Finland, Western and South Russia,
the Russia/China border regions and the Kamchatka penninsula,
so if you see one of these call the local Nuclear regulatory
ministry and detail it's GPS location so they can map it
and clean it up!

And as an addition, I should note there were the radioisotope
generators that designed on a more public scale and the ones
that were much more secretive in nature that had more power
output and much heavier & better armoured for military use
in strategic nuclear war scenarios as radio beacons to guiding
bombers, mobiles forces and as Samson-option/Dead-Hand-Switch
radio-retransmitters for use in autonomous 2nd & 3rd wave
nuclear launch scenarios.

If scientists/government officials were already at the site,
then it is highly likely they already KNOW what it is and thus left
it to Estonia to clean up the mess because of the financial cost
and political damage it may cause to Russian/Estonian relations
if someone took too-close of a look and publically announced
a possible ex-Soviet nuclear-waste dumpsite underneath
some villager's backyard.



Hope this helps!


[edit on 2010/4/29 by StargateSG7]
Edited multiple times for spelling and grammatical mistakes
and to add more information from me..........!!!

[edit on 2010/4/29 by StargateSG7]

[edit on 2010/4/29 by StargateSG7]



ermh.... they didnt dump those things in Finland, we were never invaded you see.....


they might have those on their side of the border yes, but not on our side.

as for the topic: Interesting find Skyfloating, as always ,cant wait what pops up with this one! S&F
Cheers!

[edit on 30-4-2010 by zoomer72]

[edit on 30-4-2010 by zoomer72]



posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 02:43 AM
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Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
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Alex Collier has said he's been inside one of these ships when he was abducted... who knows?

Worth watching his seminar... its on youtube if you havnt seen it... the one in miami!!


Hi TruthxIsxInxThexMist, I am convinced that many people around the world have been inside one of these ships because they were abducted for some reason, but that a very small part of those people are capable or allowed to remember certain things about that abduction.

There is enough good material for supporting that conclusion.

Thanks for mentioning his seminar, I go see it.



posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 02:58 AM
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Dude, get over to that address and get some soil/organic samples! Although the military probably replaced a lot of the soil, there must be some trace of the iso-whatevers or SOME-Thing! Don`t forget to bring your ct kit (ct= no, not counter terrorism! conspiracy theorist!) which should include your basic swiss army pocket-geiger counter, and some kind of a isotope-ometer to test out those isotope thingies!
Basically, there must be something of interest at the scene of the crime, even if it is only more evidence of a cover-up. And later down the road, some kind of samples might be considered useful to somebody who knows what to do with them. I`d dig deeep. And in multiple areas. With each sample labled so as to be able to tell where they were found in conjunction with eachother including how deep. Then again, some of those people may have died from coming in contact with some of the substance. But then again, you could become a legend if it leads to something so maybe dying is worth it, maybe it`s worth it to find... the truth!


 
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posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 03:09 AM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555

Originally posted by spacevisitor

After the samples being investigated, it was determined that it contains 80% of iron and 5% of titanium and the rest some for an iron alloying typical elements like gallium, germanium, niobium, indium, thorium and silver.


The Gallium component could explain the shock, cold feeling, numb feelings people were having.

I used to have a friend in the Idaho area (deceased now) who found a rock that had healing abilities. Nothing mystical though. When a cut piece of the rock was worn against a sore, growth or infected wound, it would dry it out and it would heal.

I still have a few small pieces of it in fact.


Hi Blaine91555, thanks for this informative reply, its really interesting.



Originally posted by Blaine91555
That report on this object sounds weapons grade to me. An unexploded bomb casing perhaps. Maybe that is why the Russians were so interested in it. Gallium has been used in Alloys for many years now. It could well have been in use in Alloys in WW2 in fact. You all might look to see if any bombing was done in that area or if any weapons were buried there after the war.


It could be possible of course, but we probably never come to know what it really was.
But what gives me the feeling that it was something else then some weapons is firstly its shape and the fact that it was buried about 21,6 feet in the ground.
That gives me the idea that it must be laying under the ground for a long time.
I assume also that it is reasonable to think that when it was a crashed weapon of some kind what in my opinion must indeed as you said have been at least from WWII the people who live there must have none more about such a crash.

As is stated in the book, it measurements were determined to be some 50 feet to 66.6 feet in diameter and with a thickness of 10 feet to 13,3 feet in the centre which become thinner to the edges.

So that is clearly disk shaped.

It all is very interesting.



posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 03:22 AM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by Helmkat
A: Was there something in the nature of the object that prevents its removal?
B: Was there something in the nature of the object the lead to its studiers to imagine it as something mundane and thus not worth the effort of removal?


These are questions that all the UFOlogists involved in the research of this should have been asking.


Skyfloating, I found an appendix about this case at the last page in the book, it’s called.


Interim rapport from the geological institute of the Estnische academy of science regarding the investigation of the object in the Merivjalja district.

It's from 16 June 1987


I go translate it.


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posted on Apr, 30 2010 @ 03:44 AM
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If this was a real extraterrestrial craft, by now, it would have been removed and sitting in some underground top secret facility base.

Such treasure, is so precious that any person in the top would not allow others to potter curiously around it.

Unfortunately ...



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