The Ice-Age UFO in Estonia

Skyfloating, I have heard of the Kaiu swamp before in my researching of "mystery lights" aka Marfa lights, Brown's mtn, etc. Apparently this area is very active with sightings of balls of lights, dancing through the swamp, shooting into the air, etc. I will see if I can dig some info up on it. I was gonna include it in one of my upcoming research topics but wanted to stay stateside with my research.

Kaiu Bog -Para web

This is about the only source I could pull up that wasn't in Estonian It gives an overview of the paranormal/natural activity but provides numerous links to Estonian sources.

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Originally posted by Helmkat
reply to post by spacevisitor

 

This certainly sounds like a very interesting case and yet it begs the question "If it is what we think it is, why was it not dug up and carted away long ago?" because if it is not of our world I would think the expense and effort would be well worth it.

The book is from 1991, so one would expect that they [the soviet military back then] did that most likely already.

Originally posted by anon72
From 1938 on.... sounds to me that the area is of interest to the aliens also.

Im just realizing there is more to all this than I thought. I figured this would be a small novelty item, but apparently Estonia has a History in UFOlogy.

Originally posted by Flatfish
I do have to say that from a security standpoint, it makes perfect sense to keep this object underground as opposed to unearthing it and exposing it to prying eyes. Maybe there was a larger underground excavation done around the object than anyone is aware of.

Thats another way of seeing it. Hadnt occured to me.

Originally posted by spacevisitor
The samples were not homogeneous and had different degrees of hardness range from 241 kg/m² to 1277 kg/m².

The results of the testing of those materials lead to the assumption that the alloying must be made due a technical procedure, it could not be originating from nature.

Wow, good work, thank you

Originally posted by Amandla

Originally posted by cavscout11cav
Does that look like a dug up back yard?????

It was dug up years ago and then filled it again.

Is that your opinion or do you have some knowledge that is the case?

I personally would be amazed if it is still there. Given the value of such a discovery, I would guess the same thing.

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No, I didn´t mean they dug up the object, just the backyard. As far as open info sais, they never dug the object up, but filled in this shaft they dug. I just ansvered to someone who thought it´s suspicious, that there are no hole in the backyard anymore.

But what if this thing really is very dangerous and shouldn´t be moved to it´s place? Even the ruler of the whole world wouldn´t want his own world to end or to have some unexpected disasters. I referred to Himalayan caves where noone can enter, maybe this is similar case. There are some energetic protective field and they just can´t dig it up. Or someone directly warned them not to. Who knows.

For those interested I searched for what more information of ex-military Soviet test pilot Marina Popovitch and found this.

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A yong Marina Popovitch.

Confession of an ex-military Soviet test pilot...
Marina Popovitch - Reveals hidden secrets of crash-landed UFO's in Russia!
Marina Popovitch Confession of an ex-military Soviet test pilot reveals the hidden secret of crash-landed UFO's and interconnecting Motherships over Russia - On Video!

Marina Popovich, is a hero. On this rare UFO video, Marina explains how she was a military test pilot of the soviet Air Force. She comes forward and speaks on Soviet Close Encounters during her 30 year career. She is now a Soviet Ufologist and shows photographs of a crash-landed UFO in the USSR - and of a 16 miles long mothership in orbit around Mars, among many other hot encounter cases.

alientattletale.com...

Marina Popovitch on UFO's - Part 1:
Motherships & Crash-landed UFO's in the USSR (60 min)

alientattletale.com...

Marina Popovitch on UFO's - Part 2:
Motherships & Crash-landed UFO's in the USSR (60 min)

alientattletale.com...

Originally posted by spacevisitor

Originally posted by Helmkat
reply to post by spacevisitor

 

This certainly sounds like a very interesting case and yet it begs the question "If it is what we think it is, why was it not dug up and carted away long ago?" because if it is not of our world I would think the expense and effort would be well worth it.

The book is from 1991, so one would expect that they [the soviet military back then] did that most likely already.

Yet from what have gleaned so far only samples were gathered, which then circles us back around to my question.

So if accept this as a real case and not a Hoax and or folklore

A:Object was sampled and then dug up and carted away
B:Object was sampled and left alone

If the object was carted away there may be artifacts left over from the excavation, maybe even local records about local labor employed etc.

Now if it was sampled and left alone, well then lots of really strange questions come to the front.

A: Was there something in the nature of the object that prevents its removal?
B: Was there something in the nature of the object the lead to its studiers to imagine it as something mundane and thus not worth the effort of removal?

Those two questions could be cracked and branched out in a lot of different ways but they all lead to

This is quick translation of whole article. By the way I was shown this site by my uncle many years ago. Nothing really to see though but a yard with a fence, lol.

Mystery up to now unsolved

35 years ago in Tallin Merivalja (that is an area of Tallinn near sea and Meri means sea) began a mystery which till now is unsolved. What still hides in the yard of the house of Hobekuusee Road: unknown object? UFO? Or simply a hoax.

Hobby UFOlogist Hans RAudsik has for many years kept his eyes on this. He has hours of videotapes made with the woman of the house Vilvika Mtiga.

Story goes in 1969 the home owners decided to dig a hole (well). The owner Virgo dug 7-8 meters and hit something hard which he could not get around. He said it was round shape and metallic like thing. On top totally smooth, on bottom rougher. It was a few centimeters thick.

He brought a jack hammer or air hammer to tear through the plate and dig ahead. He worked on the plate a long time and got it to break. Pieces filled a bucket fill he did.

The metallic thing stayd for a week still. No one was interested in it much. The well was finished. Virgo buried some of the pieces back in the yard though one he left for memory.

He showed this piece to a geologist who gave it to a geological institute who gave it to the director. It sat with the director for long time, years. His collegue at some point suddenly grabbed the piece one day. He got an electrical shock and was then afraid of this piece of metal. This is when attention started to the piece. If the man had not picked it up the subject would not have been investigated further . This they think for sure.

Now the director of the institute started to have tests on the piece of metal. He kept journals for many years about this. People reacted differently if picked up the piece. Some nothing happened, others got electric shock. Some got cold shivers, some hot.

Investigation finished then thought came to send to Russia piece to special laboratory to make sure, is it natural metal or not. He made a piece smaller (cut it or broke it off), and sned to Moscow to many institutes.

Answer took time. Now 1982 or 1983 came some thoughts. This is made of some metal that is not possible in known abilities of time to make. So far as can be known at least, not possible, this was answer.

This is absolute fact they have stated.

The home owners where then told you live on very special place. House is on very secret thing. 1984 people started to get curious about this property and what is under it.

From Moscow travel Aleksander Dejev. He once being Protection ministry information advisor. Also Nokolai Sotenavov a geologist and mineraloogia candidate. He said this is place where object that is made not by known people.

The woman of the house was told to protect the property and keep watch as pieces of this thing also buried in yard. No strangers allowed in yard anymore.

Dejev decided his men to dig to see this object. 12 meeter hole was dug.

Telephone line workers surprised with digging and what saw. Then rumour started that UFO being unearthed at this address.Marina Popovit the wife of cosmonaut Popovit went to location and then declared the Estonians have UFO in their land and it must be immediately taken up and shipped to Moscow for study.

Dejev thought disc belonged to known very powerful earth federation? Which for long time been known in Estonia. For over hundred years some place with name Kaiu where plates known to rise and decend, one 70 km large even. It is true in Kaiu area is seen often rising and falling strange objects.

Then Dejev wanted to evict many of homeowners around site to build erilaborid. Big fence around. This though though just stayed though as it was and did not progress. DEjev left Estonia 1988 when the revolution for freedom began.

Pieces of metal in Moscow have now disappeared. One piece was sent back from Moscow, but that also disappear now.

Many lives on this street went to

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Sorry first translation did not post fully. Here is where left off approx.

Then Dejev wanted to evict many of homeowners around site to build erilaborid. Big fence around. This though though just stayed though as it was and did not progress. DEjev left Estonia 1988 when the revolution for freedom began.

Pieces of metal in Moscow have now disappeared. One piece was sent back from Moscow, but that also disappear now.

Many lives on this street went to hell soon after when the site dug open wider.

Many people came to the site then, night time especially. Many people at night in hole to try to make “contact”. Woman of house said was very disturbing all the people. No peace with this.

Always something at thei place. Family was bothered. Suggested work to stop.

Closing of the site in Novebmer 6, 1988 happened such a thing. Started to cover the object. Right away when first bucket of earth was poured on site, near house in air was very hard “noise”. Everyone outside to see what it was. What had now happened. Suddenly sky turned Blue, Black and White like Estonian flag. November 15 was work complete and 16th was public meeting. To Raudsik came stranger in Tallinna Town hall where meeting. He said do you know yourselves how you got along? (how you can handle things yourselves). You have done a very good thing. And the man left.

To this day Raudsik wonder who this man was.

Anomoly researcher Igor Volke says that Hobekuuse Tee house hides two objects. Bigger is elliptical 17x22 but smaller is 2x4 meters and pomm shape. He thingks can be UFO object which can move very fast among any places. It can be maybe signal generator. Maybe to help for UFO navigation. Must be Navigation markers then and perhaps this is what these objects are.

Originally posted by Amandla
Yes, Estonia is interesting place. Someone asked personal experiences. Well, it was year 1988, when we moved to our country house near Kaiu swamp. The first thing, that happened was in our first year. My mom woke up and saw big shiny object with blue light outside and all our rooms were also full of blue light. She wanted to wake others, but didn´t, she still don´t know why. After she was in some paralysed state and saw big round blue object coming to our yard. It was like someone was checking us out after we moved there

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But I must say I had serious phobia of darkness since we moved there and I slept only in the same room with mom and dad. In early 20s I had sudden flashback about some alien-looking gray beings walking around in our bedroom in the dark. One lookd my mother and others just stand there. I´m sceptical, I never say, that this happened, but it feels like real memory.
Later we saw different strange objects, little star-like ones, that stood still and then flew away with increadyble speed, one bigger bluish object and many small ones flying into it like into mothership. 1996 was incraedible year for some reason, all our family saw things, even my granny, who was 96 years old and almost blind. She was very exited one morning and said she saw large flaming fireball outside her window, which floted up and down. It´s been long time quiet now, we sometimes wonder, that where did they go so suddenly?

I know people who have gone to Kaiu swamp and spent nights there, but saw nothing special, but people who live near that area have seen objects and some even humanoids. So, if you just go there to camp you might no see anything.

I always had that same phobia as a kid and it never went away. I always felt as if I was being watched myself in my room. The world is a big place and anything is possible. But Estonia sounds like an interesting place. If I ever win the lotto that would be one of my stops around the world.

Wow Sky, when i first saw it on the "recent post" i thought this thread must be ages old, but when i saw that you just made it hours ago- well done mate
4 pages and counting on a Estonian UFO case- impressive

It`s almost half past midnight and i just came from a grand opening of a Scottish gastro pub in Tallinn and i`m a bit knackered to reply with the translations and a background story to the thread you started, but as far as i could read right now Amandla has done a fair job in helping you with the thread and i will do my best to help you with the rest of the story.

Until then, keep it up...

HM

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This is an interesting story but I wonder how much of it is actually true. Somebody will have to dig this thing up.

Hello, everyone
Great subject, Skyfloating

I was in doubt whether I should post this, as it doesn't really add much additional info but..
Someone else earlier in this thread posted a link to an Estonian forum dealing with paranormal issues (English version). Here is a link to a thread there about the Merivalja object, but it's in Estonian (3 pages). so our Estonian friends or anyone else with good google translation and interpretation skills are welcome to translate any info that might be important

They also quote Russian version of Pravda's (yeah, I know) article (published in 2006), saying that the object was burried in 1988 on a certain day, decided by some Estonian shaman (or simmilar). In 1991 a group of Japanese scientists and, apparently, intelligence people tried to excavate it, but there was some problem with permits and everything ended with a scandal.

Here is an album with some photos of the place and something

As for one of the scientist that OP mentioned in his opening post - W. Kaptchaukas is actually Vytautas Tadas Kapaciauskas (orig. Kapačiauskas), Lithuanian engineer geologist, it's said that he's a famous specialist in bioenergetics too (in Lithuania). But I was unable to obtain any contact info on him, so not really a possible research path here...

Also, members with good Russian search skills could probably find something in the RUnet (not some Pravda rehash), I wasn't really able to find anything of use :/..

Why does everyone in Russia seem to die or mysteriously disapear when they find something interesting??????

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Alex Collier has said he's been inside one of these ships when he was abducted... who knows?

Worth watching his seminar... its on youtube if you havnt seen it... the one in miami!!

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Good thread, thank you for bringing this to our attention, I've never heard about this before.

But I do have a question...

If this story holds water, how come there are not military/government officials taking over this persons land? I can't believe they would just give up because the lady who owns the land says she was fed up with people digging... the government doesn't care what you want - not to mention we technically don't own any land, the government owns all of it we're simply being loaned the land... What do you all think?

Originally posted by spacevisitor

After the samples being investigated, it was determined that it contains 80% of iron and 5% of titanium and the rest some for an iron alloying typical elements like gallium, germanium, niobium, indium, thorium and silver.

The Gallium component could explain the shock, cold feeling, numb feelings people were having.

I used to have a friend in the Idaho area (deceased now) who found a rock that had healing abilities. Nothing mystical though. When a cut piece of the rock was worn against a sore, growth or infected wound, it would dry it out and it would heal.

I still have a few small pieces of it in fact.

When you hold it, some feel a shock, others feel a cold feeling, for some where they touch it goes numb and yet others feel nothing at all. The cause is a high content of Gallium in the rock.

He came across a small deposit on the border of a National Monument and followed it to a tall chain link fence with warning signs. The US Government had a small mine set up. Oddly it was on land where mining is illegal and they are secretive about it. They ran him off by scaring him he would be shot.

He checked the location with USGS and no claim was filed and of course where this mine was, it was an illegal operation. The warning signs were the same as they had around the secret Arco sites in Idaho that threaten deadly force.

He had managed to get a couple of hundred pounds of the ore from outside the fence before they threatened him. The assay came back as having an unusually high concentration of Gallium. That is apparently what was causing the drying out of the wounds and the odd feeling you get when handling it. When I hold it in my hand, the nerves go numb in my palm and fingers for a while.

From the Wikipedia article on Gallium -
Gallium (pronounced /ˈɡæliəm/, GAL-ee-əm) is a chemical element that has the symbol Ga and atomic number 31. Elemental gallium does not occur in nature, but as the gallium(III) salt in trace amounts in bauxite and zinc ores. A soft silvery metallic poor metal, elemental gallium is a brittle solid at low temperatures. As it liquefies slightly above room temperature, it will melt in the hand. Its melting point is used as a temperature reference point, and from its discovery in 1875 to the semiconductor era, its primary uses were in high-temperature thermometric applications and in preparation of metal alloys with unusual properties of stability, or ease of melting; some being liquid at room temperature or below. The alloy Galinstan (68.5% Ga, 21.5% In, 10% Sn) has a melting point of about −19 °C (−2.2 °F).

In semiconductors, an important application is in the compounds gallium arsenide and gallium nitride, used most notably in light-emitting diodes (LEDs). Semiconductor use is now almost the entire (> 95%) world market for gallium, but new uses in alloys and fuel cells continue to be discovered.

Gallium is not known to be essential in biology, but because of the biological handling of gallium's primary ionic salt gallium(III) as though it were iron(III), the gallium ion localizes to and interacts with many processes in the body in which iron(III) is manipulated. As these processes include inflammation, which is a marker for many disease states, several gallium salts are used, or are in development, as both pharmaceuticals and radiopharmaceuticals in medicine.

As you can see its properties for healing inflammation are known. The bits I have if held over an inflamed wound or growth will reduce inflammation and shrink growths.

It is also used in semi-conductors and I know the US Government deems it important enough to keep the location of their mine secret and even broke every law on the books by mining it inside a National Monument.

That report on this object sounds weapons grade to me. An unexploded bomb casing perhaps. Maybe that is why the Russians were so interested in it. Gallium has been used in Alloys for many years now. It could well have been in use in Alloys in WW2 in fact. You all might look to see if any bombing was done in that area or if any weapons were buried there after the war.

this is amazing! I read a lot and try and keep up with current news, but didn't relize there were so many hot babes in Estonia
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Also, the Ice age UFO.

Looks like some one (Nick Redfern-UFO book a month club) could get going on this.

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Well, with everybody who knew anything about it dead or missing, and any physical evidence long gone, I'm glad we finally got to the bottom of this story! Good work, everybody.