The Ice-Age UFO in Estonia

Great thread.When i read it, first thing that came into my mind was Stephen King's Tommyknockers.

My opinion is that if it's still there and the military although interesting left it where it is,it can only suggest that there is some kind of "alarm" in that thing that can prevent humans to move it.Well there is some kind of intelligence involved in that and when i read that it moved deeper into the ground, it hit me that it's not just an ancient UFO that crashed ,maybe it was placed there for a reason.

As to why although radioactive noone was affected before it was found,maybe the hits from the owner of the house triggered some kind of defense like a shield and brought it back to "life".

The deaths of those involved,since i don't believe in coincident,only mean that it is something very important and deserves attention(whether it is a UFO or a military... whatever...).

S n F, it sucks that people have to be silenced in order for secrets to be kept.. i mean if tomorrow i find something weird and possibly not from here.. ill keep it to myself or send it to some sorry ass mofo so he'd get his ass pumped!!

Anyways.. would love to hear more about this..

Mr Clark

Long time lurker, first time posting.

Amazing how many Estonians are actually posting on ATS. I'm from around here as well and I remember the time when this was big news, reported in newspapers and TV. When asked from people nowadays, most remember the strange splinters of the object that seemed to emanate heat and reacted to human touch. It stands to reason that some of these splinters are still in circulation, however tracking them down could prove difficult.

Is the object or objects still in the ground? Who knows. The local witch doctors and shamans predicted that the world would end and that the planet would be destroyed if the site was excavated. I've always been skeptical of those guys. Then again, the location itself is pretty remote and I suppose that some stealthy dig operation could have been performed way back.

Researching this story now reveals that the head honcho of Estonian ufology, Igor Volke, has investigated two separate versions of the truth. One of them states that the ground holds two extraterrestrial objects, one slanted disc and one smaller object. Whether these are crashed, abandoned or otherwise buried craft, alien beacons or something else entirely is unknown. Volke has proposed that these could have been buried by the natural phenomena over an extended period of time, having been on the surface around the last ice age in Finland and then slowly washed ashore with the tectonic activity. The other option is that these objects are some form of pyrite. Another theory claims that the splinter samples were from an old, Russian warship armor from the era of the czars.

Unlike some Western frauds, I would say that Igor Volke is more reminiscent of Stanton Friedman: older, wiser, rational and logical. This might sound like a huge compliment, but it is really the truth. Volke is still around and local enthusiasts can get in touch with him.

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Hmmm. after reading some posts, it could well be a tank which has been left just because of the shape but why would a tank be giving off radioactivity?

Also it's over 21 feet down, that's pretty deep... would the Earth have gron 21 feet in this time? Maybe if someone helped to cover it...

As for this thing not being removed, it does seem strange that the Authorities don't to remove it... ok, it's radioactive but it shouldn't be left there all this time... like we know cancers & other illnesses can come from radioactivity.

Some more comments after researching this thing.

Why wasn't it properly investigated by the local authorities? The timing was unfortunate. The Soviet Union was falling apart, no order or hierarchy any longer existed and whoever was still employed in the affected areas simply tried to make a living or steal anything that wasn't bolted down. I could also surmise that the vastness of the Union back then offered much more sightings, artifacts and looting locations to plunder. If anything, they simply did not care. Or they arrived, identified the objects, shrugged and left. As to answer the question why the Estonian authorities don't bother investigating this: either they know what's down there and they've been instructed to leave it alone or they simply do not care. The public sector around here is extremely corrupt, lazy and ignorant. I should know, I've worked there myself.

But something else caught my eye. The enthusiast police officer Hans Raudsik commented upon filling the dig site with sand back in 1988. He claimed that as soon as the hole was filled, there was a massive energy discharge of sorts, coloring the skies to a multitude of hues and then dissipating. And that someone approahced him later at a meeting to thank for filling the hole and to thell him what a huge service he had performed by doing so.

I don't know what to think of that man. It could be construed as just another attempt to cash in on the story for a low-brow fraud. But he does hold two degrees, one in law and the other in psychology, which would hint at his mental acuity being above average. His more recent activities include gathering video material related to abduction victims.

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This is the kind of situation where i wish i could go over there with friends, and dig that thing up. Instead of us asking questions on the object, the people who live in Estonia could go check this site out for us hehe.

I also saw a post on this thread of a guy living 6 miles away from the site?

He would be an amazing member if he could go check this site out and report back to ATS for us .

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It isn't really that simple. The place is literally a family's back yard and I believe that anyone would be angry if some guys with shovels showed up, intent upon performing some undesired landscaping.

The last time it was reported, the old woman who was the focal point 20 years ago is dead. Her daughter and the daughter's family now reside in the building. And the last time some reporters were over there, they even asked not to take pictures, fearing that the wild chase and excavations would start again.

They simply want to live in peace and quiet. Some people are like that, even when living on a literal gold mine.

at least we could have someone to go there and take some pics of the place and surrounding just to give us an ideia of the location. if there's is something buried there, then it could be out of the property aswell....we dont know the size of this thing...

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Some more updates (sorry if these have been posted already).

First is the scheme of the objects as drawn by the leading Russian investigator. Sorry for the utterly crappy quality, this is extracted from a PDF document and then resized to 150%.



If I read this scheme correctly, then the bottom contours designate the building, the top border marks the estate border. I could be wrong though. It would make sense to seek out a paper copy of this magazine or even dig around the archives for the report itself.

The latest photo of the estate itself:



If you want to view the photo in full size, click here.

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True and its a shame for us and them. Speaking about actions the only thing i can think of is settling the family with a deal but i don't see that happening any time soon.

Only the goverment are powerfull and ignorant enough to storm through there garden turf without their permission.

Whats so annoying about this is, theres an potential object from outer space sitting in someones garden who doesn't want to be disturbed. Arrgghh.

EDIT: grammer and spelling!

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Holy crap I just found an article detailing events where the Russians are attempting to activate the object with lasers.

It's a fun reading, but I cannot be sure how much of this is true. I can translate that, but not today. If someone else wishes to do that task for me, the article scans can be found here: magazine Third Eye (Kolmas Silm) scans

I have saved the images for safekeeping.

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I looked at all those pics provided but thats all i did hehe, we need a translator.

If you look at pic4.jpg, the picture on the top left of the article, i found a video of this incident.

Video of russian UFO crash (KGB)



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I wouldn't pay any attention to the illustrations in those scans. The magazine itself probably googled for illustrations and used whatever they could find. It's amazing there aren't any sci-fi movies in there.

The photo that you pointed out is from the famous Roger Moore UFO reports clip. And it is most likely fake, as pointed out by the retarded Russian soldiers and the quirky shooting.

I'll try to hunt down the magazine itself, shouldn't be too hard with libraries.

I dont know if it brings some more insight here, but this is the translation I did as good as possible from Marina Popovic's, book “The Sovjet Dossier UFO” in Dutch of that Interim rapport from the geological institute of the Estonia Academy of Science regarding the investigation of the object in the Merivjalja district.

To; Comrade Jevgeni Popov, leader of the department of industry of the Central Comite of the communist Party of the Soviet republic Estonia.
16 June 1987

The geological institute of the Estonia Academy of Science with cooperation of several important national research institutes did some careful laboratory investigations regarding composition, structure and properties of that alloying.

Out of different scientific research it appeared that it could not be from a natural occurring alloying but from a by technical means created one.

The fact that it is a matter of an artificial alloying is no doubt contrary to the fact that the object of where it comes from lays so deep underground.
That’s why several geophysical measurements where done on loco in order to investigate the ground.

With geophysical methods become unambiguous determined that the cause of the anomaly in the ground was the result of a metallic object.
The fragments possessed by the geological institute and which contain a metallic alloying where important because of the following reasons.

Because the structure and properties of the alloying from its composition seem to look ferrit like, confront our experts with a mystery because such a technological way of creating that kind of alloying was unknown so far.

Regarding its extreme hardness en heat resistance could such an alloying be very important to the industry, including the missile production.
Also to look for new communication means could the alloying of that object and its capability due its influence on people with a raised sensitivity be very important.

And after all, promised such an investigation of the object enrichment of knowledge for natural science including geology.
For reasons like that we find it necessary that the investigations on the spot must go on.

We propose the following procedure.

1. In order to determine the position, shape and size of the object there must some 6 drillings executed around the anomaly to a depth of some 66.6 feet.

The outlines of the anomaly where determent due geophysical inquiry. Taken the fact in mind that the ground structure is moraine like the drillings must be done with hollow diamond drills in order to get a complete drill core.

The board of the department of geology of the Soviet republic Estonia that has the specialists, equipment and instruments was entrusted with executing that work. The investigation where planned from 20 June to 20 July 1987.


2. The geophysical exploring would be executed after the drilling with hydro-acoustic tools.

The concerning investigations would be executed by experts of the institute of nuclear geophysical and geochemistry of the department of the geology of the Soviet Union. The investigations where planned from 20 July to 20 August 1987.


3. The results of the investigations in the foregoing phases on the spot must be analyzed en interpreted. The silhouette of the object in vertical direction, it depth, size and shape must be set.

The investigations where planned from 20 August to 20 September 1987.
After the results of the third phase and when needed another program would be worked out.

H. Wijding,
Acting director of the research department, geological institute of the Academy of Science of the Soviet republic Estonia.

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that's an interesting story , but its strange that no one has done any research recently , i mean we are in the 21st century and with all the technology that we have these days im sure some one will tell us whats down there.

any way i searched google earth and came out with this location , not sure but maybe its the house.

Hõbekuuse tee 34, Tallinn, Estonia

59°29'45.20"N
24°50'10.78"E

s&f by the way

I don't think that footage from the supposed crash of an UFO in russio narrated by roger moore has nothing to do with this...there's a thread on that around here somewhere...and that one is most likely fake.

just found out some more info on a facebook page:
The Object of Merivälja is situated in a site in Tallinn, Merivälja, Hõbekuuse street 34. It's an underground object, believed to be of an extraterrestrial origin - maybe used as a ufo-lighthouse or for military purposes.

In the 1980's the Soviet Union searched the place and took analysis, from which they concluded that the alloy cannot be made in terrestrial conditions.

There have been reports about paranormal manifestations around the site and in the Merivälja region.

Mysterious story began in the summer of 1969. Residents of Hõbekuuse tee 34 - Viivika and Virgo Mitt decided to dig a well in the garden. "Virgo started to dig, but when he reached to a depth of 7-8 meters there was an obstacle and he couldn't dig further," recalls ufologist Hans Raudsik. Raudsik tells that the obstacle was alike gray round-shaped metal plate, smooth atop, coarse from the bottom, its thickness was about few centimeters.

Since then the site has been researched by many scientists and ufoologists. A clear answer about the object hasn't been founded yet, though it is believed that it might be connected with the object from Kaiu bog (swamp).

One story suggest, that this object crashed during last ice-age and was carried there with ice.

Articles in Estonian:
1. luup.postimees.ee...
2. www.epl.ee...
3. www.ohtuleht.ee...
4. www.foto24.ee... (4 pages)
5. www.ohtuleht.ee...
Topic in Estonian: para-web.org...
English: para-web.org...

looks like there's another object like this one in a swamp in estonia:
Kaiu bog - most famous paranormal site in Estonia.


Kaiu bog (sometimes called also Kolgu bog) is located in Rapla County. It is widely associated with ufo's, enviromental anomalies, as well as "energofoors". According to the most popular legends this a UFO landingsite and/or "dimension gate". From that area, there are reports of dozens "burning" unknown flying objects. On the photographs taken in the swamp, there has been weird shapes, even human figured. Anomaly researchers believe that even the Russian investigators thought, that the bog is some kind of time-dimension gate or portal, where it is easy to lose track of time and get lost.
Some alternative theories even suggest, that this area hosts some kind of intelligent communicatable life form.
There is also a theory about a crash site of an experimental object, what looses the boundries between dimensions.
This is one of the most famous paranormal site in Estonia.
Map

Articles in estonian: www.ohtuleht.ee...
ohtuleht.ee...
Topics in estonian: para-web.org...
para-web.org...
para-web.org...
Is there someone behind the tree in the middle? galerii.para-web.org...

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All pitch in and buy the place..And start
diggin...

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Your Pravda link has a most interesting analysis of the material:

The results surprised scientists. In the very small volume of the sample was found up to 38 elements of the periodic table, many of which in nature do not occur together. The sample proved to be inactive, but is strongly magnetic. At the conclusion of Obraztsov Academician and Professor AI El'kina (IISS), it was a composite, reinforced with calcium-iron-silicon fiber material, which is a metal matrix glass. "Application of the alloys of this type as a structural material in aircraft applications is unknown. Alloy of this type should have high heat resistance, are highly resistant to boiling mixture of acids of any concentration (Academician ST Kishkin, VIAM). According to some experts, this kind of material, most likely, was obtained by powder metallurgy at unusually high pressures, which at the present level of development of science and technology on Earth can not be obtained.

So they say its a "metal matrix glass", that "should have high heat resistance" and that can't be manufactured under current earth based technology.

Sounds perfect for something of extraterrestrial origin, or is it just great Russian story telling?

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Good idea hehe, everyone should donate money to the ATS pot and buy the place and start our own digging project. Ohh what a dream.

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Wayno, your so correct in what you say about it being of an ET origin . If this object was ever uncovered i would want it out of the hands of any group/organisation or whatever and left to the normal scientists and public only.

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