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Originally posted by autowrench
Originally posted by pteridine
reply to post by MysterE
I think that the case has no merit. He took an oath to obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over him.
Exactly so. And further, if in fact the President is sitting in office by a fraudulent act, then the Oath itself is moot, and no longer stands. I don't see the problem for Obama....I can easily produce my birth certificate, and so can the rest of us, why can he not do this simple act, and prove that he is eligible for the office? Orders roll downhill, from the president to the officers to the soldiers.
Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by TruthSeeker8300
I am pretty certain that it's the most useless worthless conspiracy that has ever existed in the history of mankind. Not only is it unfounded. It is divisive, completely lacking in substance, it is petty, moronic, asinine, wholly without merit or proof........
Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
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>> and end the "he's not officially and American" nonsense. He is more American than John McCain who is only technically because he was born on a military base at the Panama canal.
Originally posted by dragonridr
Originally posted by DOADOA
hah!! what a convenient excuse. i do not want to go back to afghanistan because i'm afraid i might die this time so i'll blame it on obama. it's a good time to be an officer in the military right now.
i have a lot of friends in the military and all of them do not give a damn who's giving the order, so long as they get paid and the benefits are there.
Your right i think being a lt col he will file for hardship to stop deployment.Keeps him out of trouble then to make himself and his troops feel better he uses this as an excuse. He knows the commander in chief doesnt decide deployment.So saying Obama ordered him there is bs. Hes got 18 yrs in hes grandfathered in so can retire at 20. So bottom line is needs 2 yrs to retire and doesnt want to spend 18 months of it in Afganistan.
Originally posted by colt122
i have a lot of friends in the military and all of them do not give a damn who's giving the order, so long as they get paid and the benefits are there.
Thats why I couldnt give a rats ass about the military, they do it cause they get paid and like killing.
I wouldnt even shed a tear if they reinstalled the draft
Serve you right for voting him in like bush....you deserve what you get America.
#ty thing is ......your all going to run to my country and hide when the # hits the fan. You vote him in, he's your leader till the end. For good or bad.
Originally posted by BlackShark
I guess he 's smarter and better then all those thousands of US soldiers not questioning orders of their CIC and risking their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan..Someone should give them a nudge since they obviously can't think for themselves.
Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Originally posted by seagull
...and until or unless evidence surfaces to the contrary, President Obama is President of the United States.
And would you mind explaining to us please how any evidence is going to EVER surface if no lawsuit on the matter is allowed to even enter a discovery phase?
If there's nothing to hide, then put it out in the open. Problem is, there's something to hide, and those of you holding out on this just have to find SOME fricken way of attacking and belittling a true patriot like this who has the balls to put his life and career on the line in order to find out the truth. This guy is walking the walk, not just talking the talk.
Originally posted by maybereal11
Originally posted by Sheeper
Originally posted by beautifuldreamer
Do i have to remind that our first presidents were not born on american soil!
1st President George Washington was born in Virginia
2nd President John Adams was born in Massachusetts
3rd President Thomas Jefferson was born in Virginia
The list goes on, every single President has been born on this soil. [edit on 31-3-2010 by Sheeper]
George Washington was born on BRITISH SOIL to British parents...or did your forget that we were a British Colony at the time of his birth?
Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Originally posted by seagull
...and until or unless evidence surfaces to the contrary, President Obama is President of the United States.
And would you mind explaining to us please how any evidence is going to EVER surface if no lawsuit on the matter is allowed to even enter a discovery phase?
If there's nothing to hide, then put it out in the open. Problem is, there's something to hide, and those of you holding out on this just have to find SOME fricken way of attacking and belittling a true patriot like this who has the balls to put his life and career on the line in order to find out the truth. This guy is walking the walk, not just talking the talk.
We don't usually agree, but on this issue, we do. Starred your response. Agreed; this man is doing the right thing, and the dodging of all the lawsuits is as good as an admission of guilt, IMO. If Obama was legit, why would he spend so much to hide the facts? Anything one spends that much to hide can't be good.
Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
Look at the FACTS:
1. Obama's campaign demanded that Mccain prove, IN COURT, his eligibility. McCain did so, no protest, no questions, no delays, no spending millions to avoid the issue.
Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
Sheesh, does anyone READ the Constitution anymore??
Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
If Obama was legit, why would he spend so much to hide the facts? Anything one spends that much to hide can't be good.
1 Note: Birthers claim that Obama has spent "millions" of dollars defending all the birther claims. As shown in this chart, Obama's personal (or campaign) attorneys have appeared only in a very very few number of cases
Now if I, a lowly peon of the financial industry, should be forced to stand tall and prove who I say I am, does it not make logical sense that a man who is attempting to attain the highest office in the world would not have to do the same?
4. Obama's own grandmother swears he was born in Kenya.
6. The birth certificate he posted online is widely believed to be a fraud, even by several document experts. It doesn't match other records from the time. It also doesn't contain basic information that any real one does, such as the location of birth, doctor, etc. I have certificates for several family members, from different states, and this is standard data.
Originally posted by Stedlinn
we need more people like him, but it shouldn't just be limited to the military, i say the people should start disobeying what the government tells us to do
there is any mention of the Commander in Chief? The oath is to the Constitution of the United States!
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices
Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by mbkennel
Read what it says on the bottom: "This copy servers as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding".
Yes, I did read what it says on the bottom of the picture you posted.
It says, ANY ALTERATIONS INVALIDATE THIS CERTIFICATE
You were saying?