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Originally posted by 12.13.2012
reply to post by MikeboydUS
man, you got some good points, but my bottom line in this debate is this:
1.) the US would have to pull out of 2 wars to come home to fight the foil hat brigade, and bring their full extent of resources, and there would be a huge percentage of dissent from soldiers going awol refusing to fight civilians, and probably siding with the civilians. SO, the would HAVE to enlist blackwater type troops to do that job.
2.) It would not be the same grade of battle they are used to now. The foil hat brigade would be much more sophisticated with better technologies and more resources than insurgents in 3rd world countries.
3.) only 4% of the civilians took up arms against the entire british military in the revolutionary war.
I think you may be slightly underestimating the tin foil hat brigadeers.
* typo
[edit on 28-3-2010 by 12.13.2012]
Originally posted by Dock9
reply to post by harrytuttle
In the UK now, apparently, severe penalties are imposed in cases where people falsely claim a military connection. Wonder if it's the same in the US?
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
If a group of people got together and decided to forcibly overthrow the government or start a civil war with other Americans, I would expect the military to fight them, if given the order from their commander in chief...If you think revolutionaries killing Americans is to defend the Constitution and the other side killing Americans is in direct opposition of the Constitution, I've got news for you.
Originally posted by 12.13.2012
reply to post by MikeboydUS
14 million guns legally purchased in the US in 2009 alone. US population in 2009: 305 million (minus the 2-3 million for the military, even if no troops defect.) is a little more that 300 million. 4% of that is still 12 million. If only half of that amount join up with the foil hat brigade, thats still 6 million (double the military numbers) and armed to the teeth. plus, alot of them are ex-military with as much, or more, training than the troops the military would imploy. I still dont think they would walk away from the industrial military complex warmachine watering hole, they just cant up and unplug like that. They would be forced to rent blackwater troops or foreign armies to even step up to the plate, and that would only grow the foil hat brigades' numbers.
Originally posted by 12.13.2012
If you cant tell, people have had enough. They are going to eventually come to a conclusion that encompasses the reality that politicians are liars and have irrepairably damaged the constitution, and that voting is useless because its rigged...
Originally posted by 12.13.2012
again, you have some good points, but amer!cans will not just lay over and get raped...
Originally posted by 12.13.2012
reply to post by MikeboydUS
again, you have some good points, but amer!cans will not just lay over and get raped. yes, alot are unfit...but alot are not unfit. yes, lots of handguns, but a decent percentage are rifles and shotguns. the foil hat brigade would most definitely draw from past engagements to use the factors that wage a successful campaign: rat tunnels from vietnam, trench machine guns from the nazi's, and if it came down to it, probably I.E.D.'s and kamikaze. moral highground is a factor, but in other countries Im sure alot of people dont see the US as "moral highground" and they are doin ok with their insurgency. I think if that happens, you and I both will be surprised by how successful the foil hat brigade can be...
Originally posted by MikeboydUS
Originally posted by 12.13.2012
reply to post by MikeboydUS
If they can't conduct themselves with honor and integrity they are not lawful combatants.
^^ It seems like the american people have seen enough of how the politicians and corporate govt. has conducted themselves. If it is honor and integrity, then the bar has been set pretty low, so I dont think the american people will have to work to hard to out-do that. I keep hearing this Thomas Jefferson quote about: "the tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of tyrants as well as patriots." I can imagine that will become more true here in the US as time goes on...
Originally posted by 12.13.2012
yea, dude, Im runnin the whole show. you got me. its my opinion alone that is going to shape america, and Im putting it on ATS for your approval first. people are going to do what people are going to do. you can slam me for putting hypothetical situations out there, but at the end of the day your sheltered little view isnt going to decide anything either kid.