National Healthcare Will Require National RFID Chips ...placed into the skin?

Originally posted by nomorecruelty
July 23, 2004 Siemens to pilot RFID bracelets for health care Others seek to implant data under the skin

Surprise surprise, Siemens appears out of no where.

Look at Their history...

""Preceding World War II Siemens was involved in funding the rise of the Nazi Party and the secret rearmament of Germany. During the Second World War, Siemens supported the Hitler regime, contributed to the war effort and participated in the "Nazification" of the economy. Siemens had many factories in and around notorious concentration camps [8][9] to build electric switches for military uses.[10] In one example, almost 100,000 men and women from Auschwitz worked in a Siemens factory inside the camp, supplying the electricity to the camp. The Siemens logo is still visible above the gas chambers at Buchenwald concentration camp""

en.wikipedia.org...

Such a twist. Ex-Nazi corporations making RFID. Who would have thunk it?


Just for fun, try switching the words "WW2" with "WW3"; and "Hitler Regime" or "Nazis" with "NWO" and "Nwo-ites".

I am not trying to say anything with that, other than there are some dots here that are BEGGING to be connected!

[edit on 27-3-2010 by muzzleflash]

Originally posted by nomorecruelty
reply to post by tsloan

 

It is more specific if you scroll down on the web page - it has listed, under the "Possible Risks", ...... "Needle Stick".

That implies that this "implantable device" will be inserted with a needle.

Can you fit a pacemaker on the end of a needle?

If your having certain types of cardio test they require a device that measures pressure by way of needle injected into a central heart valve you guys are reaching on this. Unreal...

Originally posted by DChenO


so here is the text from the word find

‘(ii) a class II device that is implantable, life-supporting, or life-sustaining.'

the site
www.opencongress.org...

sounds like a pace maker to me?

thank you for using your brain
instead of spreading non-sense

Not sure how long it is going to take for some of you to wake up. People keep saying "it doesn't say you have to get a chip", but I'm sure if I told you last year that the govt. will force you to buy health insurance, you'd say I was nuts. This is just another piece of the puzzle in the one world currency/mark of the anti-christ system.

Originally posted by Jessicamsa



Approved by the FDA, a class II implantable device is a "implantable radiofrequency transponder system for patient identification and health information." The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as "claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary."

My thoughts???????

Where in the hell was what YOU quoted in the site YOU provided????? Those are my thoughts!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tell me the section and not the magical page number that doesn't exist on the site.

[edit on 27-3-2010 by Tomis_Nexis]


ALSO...what the hell? I didn't know that I could edit what's on that site. This isn't legit!

[edit on 27-3-2010 by Tomis_Nexis]

Originally posted by Bilw85
Add to that 24 hours a day of propaganda through internet and tv ads as well as product placement in "House".

there is a good example of this product placement
or public scanning in the Tom Cruise movie titled

"Minority Report"

except in the case of the movie, the identification
was done with retinal scans instead of a RFID
chip. If you have not seen this movie, u need to watch
it just to see what Tom has to do to get around
the city. I won't spoil the surprise, go take a peek
at the future of public scanning.

Originally posted by amazing
Chipping people would cross that line that millions ...dare I say a 100 million at least, would rebel against, including Christians who would see it as the mark of the beast.

What needs to happen is that someone alot smarter than me needs to start posting ways to detect and remove these chips. Ways to hack these chips etc. there is stuff on the net but it's not enough and its either too simplistic or overly complicated. There has to be cheap ways to detect chips? ...

Hi amazing,

Location of the chip is easy unless they sedate the victim prior to performing the subcutaneous injection procedure. The mark [veri-chip RFID) will be located in the right wrist/forearm or in the right forehead.

Removal of the mark; lancing it out, is certainly possible, but it's too late. Acceptance of the mark (the verichip chip) damns the person to eternal hell; and lancing it out won't change the one-way ticket straight to hell.

Refusal of the mark, becomes disobedience of the obamacare law and the "insolent" citizen gets 5 years incarceration.

By the time obamacare fully kicks in, in about 4 years, obama's 250,000 man Americorp federal police force will be formed up and ready to restrain reluctant citizens for the subcutaneous implant injection.

I have read through seven pages and not one person has caught on to the real agenda as it pertains to RFID or Information Capture Technology and this bill. They have people arguing over a registry as it pertains to Class II devices, when the real threat lies else where. I am going to make this as simple as possible, but will warn that it will take some space to become clear. Starting on page 65 of the bill we see:



‘‘(4) IMPLEMENTATION.—
8 ‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary shall
9 adopt operating rules under this subsection, by
10 regulation in accordance with subparagraph (C),
11 following consideration of the operating rules de12
veloped by the non-profit entity described in
13 paragraph (2) and the recommendation sub14
mitted by the National Committee on Vital and
15 Health Statistics under paragraph (3)(E) and
16 having ensured consultation with providers.
17 ‘‘(B) ADOPTION REQUIREMENTS; EFFECTIVE
18 DATES.—
19 ‘‘(i) ELIGIBILITY FOR A HEALTH PLAN
20 AND HEALTH CLAIM STATUS.—The set of
21 operating rules for eligibility for a health
22 plan and health claim status transactions
23 shall be adopted not later than July 1,
24 2011, in a manner ensuring that such oper25
ating rules are effective not later than January 1, 2013, and may allow for the use of
2 a machine readable identification card.
3 ‘‘(ii) ELECTRONIC FUNDS TRANSFERS
4 AND HEALTH CARE PAYMENT AND REMIT5
TANCE ADVICE.—The set of operating rules
6 for electronic funds transfers and health
7 care payment and remittance advice trans8
actions shall—
9 ‘‘(I) allow for automated rec10
onciliation of the electronic payment
11 with the remittance advice; and
12 ‘‘(II) be adopted not later than
13 July 1, 2012, in a manner ensuring
14 that such operating rules are effective
15 not later than January 1, 2014.
16 ‘‘(iii) HEALTH CLAIMS OR EQUIVALENT
17 ENCOUNTER INFORMATION, ENROLLMENT
18 AND DISENROLLMENT IN A HEALTH PLAN,
19 HEALTH PLAN PREMIUM PAYMENTS, REFER20
RAL CERTIFICATION AND AUTHORIZATION.—
21 The set of operating rules for health claims
22 or equivalent encounter information, enroll23
ment and disenrollment in a health plan,
24 health plan premium payments, and refer25
ral certification and authorization transactions shall be adopted not later than July
2 1, 2014, in a manner ensuring that such
3 operating rules are effective not later than
4 January 1, 2016.
5 ‘‘(C) EXPEDITED RULEMAKING.—The Sec6
retary shall promulgate an interim final rule
7 applying any standard or operating rule rec8
ommended by the National Committee on Vital
9 and Health Statistics pursuant to paragraph
10 (3). The Secretary shall accept and consider pub11
lic comments on any interim final rule published
12 under this subparagraph for 60 days after the
13 date of such publication.
14 ‘‘(h) COMPLIANCE.—
15 ‘‘(1) HEALTH PLAN CERTIFICATION.—
16 ‘‘(A) ELIGIBILITY FOR A HEALTH PLAN,
17 HEALTH CLAIM STATUS, ELECTRONIC FUNDS
18 TRANSFERS, HEALTH CARE PAYMENT AND RE19
MITTANCE ADVICE.—Not later than December 31,
20 2013, a health plan shall file a statement with
21 the Secretary, in such form as the Secretary may
22 require, certifying that the data and information
23 systems for such plan are in compliance with
24 any applicable standards (as described under
25 paragraph (7) of section 1171) and associatedoperating rules (as described under paragraph
2 (9) of such section) for electronic funds transfers,
3 eligibility for a health plan, health claim status,
4 and health care payment and remittance advice,
5 respectively.
6 ‘‘(B) HEALTH CLAIMS OR EQUIVALENT EN7
COUNTER INFORMATION, ENROLLMENT AND
8 DISENROLLMENT IN A HEALTH PLAN, HEALTH
9 PLAN PREMIUM PAYMENTS, HEALTH CLAIMS AT10
TACHMENTS, REFERRAL CERTIFICATION AND AU11
THORIZATION.—Not later than December 31,
12 2015, a health plan shall file a statement with
13 the Secretary, in such form as the Secretary may
14 require, certifying that the data and information
15 systems for such plan are in compliance with
16 any applicable standards and associated oper17
ating rules for health claims or equivalent en18
counter information, enrollment and
19 disenrollment in a health plan, health plan pre20
mium payments, health claims attachments, and
21 referral certification and authorization, respec22
tively. A health plan shall provide the same level
23 of documentation to certify compliance with such
24 transactions as is required to certify compliancewith the transactions specified in subparagraph
2 (A).
3 ‘‘(2) DOCUMENTATION OF COMPLIANCE.—A
4 health plan shall provide the Secretary, in such form
5 as the Secretary may require, with adequate docu6
mentation of compliance with the standards and op7
erating rules described under paragraph (1). A health
8 plan shall not be considered to have provided ade9
quate documentation and shall not be certified as
10 being in compliance with such standards, unless the
11 health plan—
12 ‘‘(A) demonstrates to the Secretary that the
13 plan conducts the electronic transactions speci14
fied in paragraph (1) in a manner that fully
15 complies with the regulations of the Secretary;
16 and
17 ‘‘(B) provides documentation showing that
18 the plan has completed end-to-end testing for
19 such transactions with their partners, such as
20 hospitals and physicians.
21 ‘‘(3) SERVICE CONTRACTS.—A health plan shall
22 be required to ensure that any entities that provide
23 services pursuant to a contract with such health plan
24 shall comply with any applicable certification and
25 compliance requirements (and provide the Secretarywith adequate documentation of such compliance)
2 under this subsection.
3 ‘‘(4) CERTIFICATION BY OUTSIDE ENTITY.—The
4 Secretary may designate independent, outside entities
5 to certify that a health plan has complied with the re6
quirements under this subsection, provided that the
7 certification standards employed by such entities are
8 in accordance with any standards or operating rules
9 issued by the Secretary.
10 ‘‘(5) COMPLIANCE WITH REVISED STANDARDS
11 AND OPERATING RULES.—
12 ‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—A health plan (includ13
ing entities described under paragraph (3)) shall
14 file a statement with the Secretary, in such form
15 as the Secretary may require, certifying that the
16 data and information systems for such plan are
17 in compliance with any applicable revised

continued

I will object on religious grounds (number of the beast). I expect millions will as well.

Hmmm. There are quite a few people here who are using logic and solid reasoning to point out the basic fallacy of the OP and the title of this thread. For that I am grateful. Too many people here when confronted with a buzzword jump the gun completely and start ranting and raving about some point that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I'd be doing no service to point out what so many have before, namely that this piece of legislation has nothing to do with forcing people to get a chip implanted under the skin, but I will anyway. This piece of legislation has nothing to do with forcing people to get a chip implanted under the skin! Holy cow, people, you are in need of some serious reading comprehension training!

Let's say there was a bill signed into law that said, on a federal level, that a human being convicted of a serious enough crime may be killed by the government by way of lethal injection. By the "logic" I've seen on this thread, you could infer that the government is going to KILL ALL THE CHILDREN!!! It says right there that they can kill a human being! Children are human beings! I know it says "convicted of a serious crime" but that's just for now, the obvious plan is to KILL THE CHILDREN!

I think you see my point. There's interpreting the data and then there is stretching it WAAAAAY too thin.

I agree that all the plans laid out by multinational corporations which support the technology exist, that is NOT the topic here. The topic here is a snippet of language in the HCR bill that has nothing to do with making anyone get anything done to them at all. Based on the language of the bill, does anyone here really think the government is going to force every citizen to get a pacemaker? Come on people, your credibility is really falling. I've spent years on this forum and lately it seems that no one wants to think things through before making up nonsense based on the use of one term (class II device).

I wonder which genius came up with the name "mark of the beast". It's pure genius because it has such a negative association for believing Christians...it's the perfect word play to make people oppose it no matter what.

Those chips do have a positive use in some cases.

And to write nonsense such as "it's too late if you remove it after having it implanted, you're already gonna be damned" is nothing but fear mongering. We live in the 21st century for crying out loud, not the middle ages when people believed in witches and believed comets were a sign of God.

Can we leave out religion when talking politics/medicine please?

Originally posted by silent thunder
I will object on religious grounds (number of the beast). I expect millions will as well.

They talk about the "mark of the beast" not the "number of the beast". At least get it right when parroting catch phrases that get shoved down your throat

Either way, don't worry, you're safe...no one's forcing you to get chipped.

[edit on 28-3-2010 by MrXYZ]

stand18
ards and associated operating rules under this
19 subsection for any interim final rule promul20
gated by the Secretary under subsection (i)
21 that—
22 ‘‘(i) amends any standard or operating
23 rule described under paragraph (1) of this
24 subsection; or‘‘(ii) establishes a standard (as de2
scribed under subsection (a)(1)(B)) or asso3
ciated operating rules (as described under
4 subsection (i)(5)) for any other financial
5 and administrative transactions.
6 ‘‘(B) DATE OF COMPLIANCE.—A health plan
7 shall comply with such requirements not later
8 than the effective date of the applicable standard
9 or operating rule.
10 ‘‘(6) AUDITS OF HEALTH PLANS.—The Secretary
11 shall conduct periodic audits to ensure that health
12 plans (including entities described under paragraph
13 (3)) are in compliance with any standards and oper14
ating rules that are described under paragraph (1) or
15 subsection (i)(5).
16 ‘‘(i) REVIEW AND AMENDMENT OF STANDARDS AND
17 OPERATING RULES.—
18 ‘‘(1) ESTABLISHMENT.—Not later than January
19 1, 2014, the Secretary shall establish a review com20
mittee (as described under paragraph (4)).
21 ‘‘(2) EVALUATIONS AND REPORTS.—
22 ‘‘(A) HEARINGS.—Not later than April 1,
23 2014, and not less than biennially thereafter, the
24 Secretary, acting through the review committee,
25 shall conduct hearings to evaluate and review theadopted standards and operating rules estab2
lished under this section.
3 ‘‘(B) REPORT.—Not later than July 1,
4 2014, and not less than biennially thereafter, the
5 review committee shall provide recommendations
6 for updating and improving such standards and
7 operating rules. The review committee shall rec8
ommend a single set of operating rules per trans9
action standard and maintain the goal of cre10
ating as much uniformity as possible in the im11
plementation of the electronic standards.
12 ‘‘(3) INTERIM FINAL RULEMAKING.—
13 ‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—Any recommendations
14 to amend adopted standards and operating rules
15 that have been approved by the review committee
16 and reported to the Secretary under paragraph
17 (2)(B) shall be adopted by the Secretary through
18 promulgation of an interim final rule not later
19 than 90 days after receipt of the committee’s re20
port.
21 ‘‘(B) PUBLIC COMMENT.—
22 ‘‘(i) PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.—The
23 Secretary shall accept and consider public
24 comments on any interim final rule published under this paragraph for 60 days
2 after the date of such publication.
3 ‘‘(ii) EFFECTIVE DATE.—The effective
4 date of any amendment to existing stand5
ards or operating rules that is adopted
6 through an interim final rule published
7 under this paragraph shall be 25 months
8 following the close of such public comment
9 period.
10 ‘‘(4) REVIEW COMMITTEE.—
11 ‘‘(A) DEFINITION.—For the purposes of this
12 subsection, the term ‘review committee’ means a
13 committee chartered by or within the Depart14
ment of Health and Human services that has
15 been designated by the Secretary to carry out
16 this subsection, including—
17 ‘‘(i) the National Committee on Vital
18 and Health Statistics; or
19 ‘‘(ii) any appropriate committee as de20
termined by the Secretary.
21 ‘‘(B) COORDINATION OF HIT STANDARDS.—
22 In developing recommendations under this sub23
section, the review committee shall ensure coordi24
nation, as appropriate, with the standards that
25 support the certified electronic health record technology approved by the Office of the National
2 Coordinator for Health Information Technology.
3 ‘‘(5) OPERATING RULES FOR OTHER STANDARDS
4 ADOPTED BY THE SECRETARY.—The Secretary shall
5 adopt a single set of operating rules (pursuant to the
6 process described under subsection (g)) for any trans7
action for which a standard had been adopted pursu8
ant to subsection (a)(1)(B).


So we can see a set of rules and standards are adopted for Digital Transactions, which if a health provider is not in compliance with they may suffer penalties. We also see that a commitee has been formed which includes NCVHS and ONCHIT which is too see to the implementation of digital medical records for all, based upon recommendations said commitee has made. Also mentioned are HIT standards or Health IT standards. In order to know if there is any truth to a health based RFID infrastructure or implementation we must know what these standards and recommendations of ONCHIT and NCVHS are.

Here is the latest meeting of the HIT Policy Commitee concerning the adoption of the very National Health Information Network that this bill was looking to create. There is FAR too much information for me to quote here so I will post the link and let every one read for them selves. What I will mention is that testimony is given from VeriSign, subsidiary of Applied Digital Solutions, sister company of Verichip/Positive ID. There is also direct talk of use of RFID as personal identifiers.

healthit.hhs.gov...

I have much more info on these recommendations, this commitee and the NHIN and digital medical records that I will post in a follow up.

reply to post by jdl79


Merely talking about the chip doesn't mean they'll force you to get one!! Like I said, no where does it say you will HAVE to get a chip, or that you'll suffer any consequences if you refuse to get one.

I've said it a million times. We need more RFID information both here and on the web. I don't think this is coming down the pike soon but...you never know. How do you build and RFID detector/reader with parts from radio shack that someone with no electrical background can both build and operate? And can we know that its accurate? If you find it how do you remove it? If it's injected, can it just be dug out with a sterile knife? Can it be damaged in other ways, with out removing it from the body? How are they hacked and how is it made hackproof? How secure will/can they be/ are they? How do you make one? Can you make one and inject it or implant it into yourself with false information? Is that the new identity theft of the future? If we know these questions and answers and make these answers available to all, then this discussion is not needed. Case closed.

Originally posted by jazz10
Excellent

You my friend have made my day. Finally we may wake up and see whats going on. The mark of the beast?

I believe it may be. Then what's next? No more hard currency? Electronic? It's possible considering the amount of data can be held in chips nowadays.

New RFID Chips Could Mean the End of Barcodes

They're going to be everywhere, making us freaking robots.

Researchers from Sunchon National university in Suncheon, South Korea, and rice Universtiy in Houtson have built a radio frequency identification tag that can be printed directly onto cereal boxes and potato chip bags. The tag uses ink laced with carbon nanotubes to print electronics on paper or plastic that could instantly transmit information about a cart full of groceries

Read More www.wired.com...


What will they think of next

There is proposed cut backs within the NHS, then i think that insurance will be put into place here in the UK followed by the rfid chips here too.

Originally posted by ziggy1706
This must be a hoax* i think it is.

Implant could mean anything. It could be implanted into another device or even implanted into a health card. Nonetheless, the Bible always referred to the mark being placed in the right hand or the forehead.... Hell, just tell them to put it in your left hand. LOOPHOLE!

Besides, the Government is so darn screwed up they would probably invent this mandatory RFD chip and then forget to have the implantation covered in the health plan.

Lastly.... with so many people out there ready to instantly reject this chip or any implant for that matter based on this religious confrontation that surrounds it.... I feel sorry for the sap who actually thinks such an idea would not incite a world wide civil war that will eventually break down the entire government and put it back into the hands of the people. REMEMBER.... the military may have all those weapons but unless they are willing to turn it on themselves or be the only ones left on the planet in the end, Christians still outnumber them hundreds of thousands to 1. PLUS, you don't have to be a Christian to know that your rights are being taken away from you. More power to the Atheists and alternative religions as well. If you think about, when it comes to the government... Atheists and Religions are all taking the same side. Well, For now anyway.



Funny if you think about it... here the government spends so much time trying to turn us against each other and the only thing they manage to do is get us to join forces and gang up against the Government. What a bunch of screw-ups. Hey I didn't vote for them.

[edit on 28-3-2010 by jpeniel]

Reguardless the day they give me a device that counts my wealth that uses frequency and telecommunications is the day i become rich....

-zero cool signing off.