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National Healthcare Will Require National RFID Chips ...placed into the skin?

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posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 09:37 AM
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Nice thread.

Not only have I heard that they will mark us like cattle, I have also heard more. I was told that with this new legislation that they have signed into law, they will be able monitor what kind of foods you can buy. Such as, people will only be allowed to buy so much sugary foods,so much junk foods etc,etc,etc. They are trying to force us to live healthy lives.

The only way they can achieve this way of monitoring is with a scanable micro-chip.

Further more, I was told they are also going to force people to exercise so much a day. This new Healthcare law gives them the power to do home searches to check for any illegal contraban such as un-healthy foods at their discretion.

Mind you, this is just what I have heard. Can anyone verify that this is true?

I'll tell you this, I went to the gas station yesterday to grab my wife two regular sized kit-kat bars (the only thing I purchased) it rang up to two dollars and twenty cents! I live in Illinois where normally they would have been half that price.

Beginning signs? Can any ATS'ers offer validity?

I will not submit to this micro-chip. I would rather die. I would rather die a thousand times.

I mean, what's Obama trying to do, run a "golden gestapo"? This man is insane!

~ Zeus


[edit on 28-3-2010 by Zeus2573]




posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 11:52 AM
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The OP is debunked in the first page, yet predictably, the voice of reason is ignored, while baseless (yes, BASELESS) conspiracy theories run unchecked.

Yes this is a conspiracy site, and I am a conspiracy theorist! But I am not going to LIE to myself just for a bit of cathartic entertainment. I am after the TRUTH, not weak evidence to satiate and confirm my preconceived notions of what is yet to come.



posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 01:03 PM
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Hi Zeus2573

Not only have I heard that they will mark us like cattle, I have also heard more. I was told that with this new legislation that they have signed into law, they will be able monitor what kind of foods you can buy. Such as, people will only be allowed to buy so much sugary foods,so much junk foods etc,etc,etc. They are trying to force us to live healthy lives.

The "esteemed" congressman Dingell stated, for the record, that obamacare will be used to control the people.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
earthhopenetwork.net...

The 666 veri-chip chip-implant goes a long way to pave the way to "Communism, the Destiny of All Mankind!"
communists4obama.blogspot.com...

The 666 Veri-chip can be removed, either get a buddy to lance it out, or get it professionally removed
article.wn.com...

RFID implants are not ingenious inventions or foolproof components. They are commodities of the world's most foolish tyrants; the last straw to finally cause their own defeat and downfall.


If not lanced out or surgically removed, the chip could probably be neutralized at the injection point by exposure to about 25 watts or so of non-ionizing radiation to the skin (RF) leaving a momentary burn, but certainly zapping the chip. contact with 110 VAC or grabbing a running engine sparkplug would probably do a nice job of neutralizing the chip. The hacker community is probably a great source on chip zapping techniques.

obama, Cass Sunstein, Emmanuel, Van Jones, etc will still get the last laugh if you accept the chip - acceptance of the mark means etermal damnation wither it is later removed or not.

Am I wrong? I hope so, but I'm not willing to take a chance. Guess I'll end up in the gulag.
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posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 01:08 PM
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Again, the whole chip thing has been debunked on page one...go read it before trying to spread more fear.

Gotta love how people fall for this whole "mark of the beast" stuff when it's nothing more but a ploy by politicians to push on your religious emotions.

Step 1: Try and turn everyone into Christian fundies.
Step 2: Use religious catch phrases to steer the masses.
Step 3: Watch the puppets dance as you start every sentence with "God says..." if you want them to do something, or "Satan says..." if you want them to be against it.

Pure genious!!



posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 04:16 PM
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well i did research about this and found out it was just a rumour going around. there is no chip that will be placed in your skin spoken about in the healthcare bill.



posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 04:29 PM
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What a sad sad thread. Is the need to believe in a 1984 style controlled world so ingrained in some people that nonsense like this has swamped this site?

This used to be a serious conversation site....... based on EVIDENCE to be discussed. The evidence may have been contradictory but that was the point of discussion, getting to the truth. What we have these days is thread after thread based on nothing more than warped beliefs, misinterpretion of documentation and/or regurgitated untruths.

As for the threads that are just plain fiction......moderators come on!



posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 04:44 PM
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LOL


Everyone just keeps mentioning RFID like its some sort of doomsday device.
Do you guys even bother to understand how RFID works and what applications would it be used for in a negative way?

The facts are out there and have been for years, RFID range is extremely limited, its expensive, active tags require batterys and overall the the signal is very unreliable. Not to mention its prone to breaking due to its delicate nature and is very very easy to circumvent or hack.

Please learn how it works before you cry wolf.



[edit on 28-3-2010 by wtfhuh]



posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 05:07 PM
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Originally posted by WhiteDevil013

Originally posted by Jessicamsa


Approved by the FDA, a class II implantable device is a "implantable radiofrequency transponder system for patient identification and health information." The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as "claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary."


Wait a second....

So if this thing can store and send out information, wont that also make it MUCH easier to usher in a one world currency, as it could eventually be used to store financial data, allowing people to make purchases etc? Essentially eliminating identity theft?

Also, would this mean they could also make it like Lo-Jack for humans? They could claim they need it to track convicts, pedophiles, people on house arrest, but in reality they could track criminals and the innocent alike.

Or am I jumping to conclusions here?



Yeah like in that Stalone Movie "Demolition Man"



posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 05:52 PM
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so imagine this scenario...

you're out of state driving on an unfamiliar freeway in a rental car which you're not used to and some idiot rams you or your tire explodes and you lose control, go off the road and roll over several times. your tank is full and starts a fire. you're unconscious and can't do anything to save yourself but some good Samaritan stops and calls 911.

they get you out in a medevac flight but your wallet (including ID and insurance cards) along with your coat containing your cell phone have been burnt to a crisp.

so... if you had the chip right now, they'd know all your medical history, home phone/emergency contact, insurance information, last directives (like DNR), etc.

but you don't have it for whatever reasons. so it will take several hours for them to do all the tests on you before they can get some idea of your medical situation and whether you have some diseases/allergies/other things that they need to know before they can treat you. that delay further lowers your chances of survival. most ER doctors agree that in an emergency the first hour is the one that decides whether you live or die so more information is better in these cases!

and if you're allergic to something and they give you that to keep you alive as part of the standard accident rescue protocol - well you die or get very close to it.

then again this is natural selection. if there ever will be a chip that will save one's life, then those who take it will have a higher chance of survival in critical life and death situations.

if an RFID chip is the mark of the beast, then what's your stance on organ donations, blood transfusions, critical care (including surgery) etc. "god" didn't put a lot of thought into this stuff when he "wrote" the bible, now did he


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posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 07:55 PM
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Imagine this scenario, right now I do not have a chip. So what?

Good for the security.

Bad for the privacy.

So, if they implement everything that is necessary to survive in this utopian world they dreamed up, into that chip, what does that do to privacy.

Your response, oh well, it is better to give up privacy for a little security.

Pfffft!



posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 08:12 PM
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What happens if your in an accident and you lose the hand that the chip was implanted in?
Guess you don't know about these: arthritis.about.com...

You wear it to let people know your condition if your in an accident.



posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 08:16 PM
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I will take this opportunity to inject my opinion on the chips.

If ever try to force a chip into me there are various degrees of action I will attempt:

1. Avoid being implanted either by subterfuge or fighting back
2a. Remove implant if it does not pose serious threat upon removal
2b. If implant poses serious threat upon removal find a way to block possible I/O signals between implant and whatever satellite/antenna they are using to monitor me with. If there are no constant gps giving biometric readings being given off and the implant is only signaled at very close distances then I can accept it until a viable way of removing it is possible. Otherwise...
2c. There is no safe way to remove the implant and blocking it's signals are ridiculously impractical then there is no third option; as far as I'm concerned they have gone to far at this point and I can no longer accept the oppression.

Now if they don't force it on me per se but do not allow me to hold a job, have a bank account, receive medical care, etc. the issue perhaps becomes more complicated for some I suppose, I still would not take one personally. However, If I had a family that depended on me being able to work then I would be in a tight spot. In my opinion I can risk my own well being to fight tyranny and honestly I think its decent to say I should fight tyranny for my children's sake as well but I can see some people basically sucking it up because they don't see any options.



posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by Chance321
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What happens if your in an accident and you lose the hand that the chip was implanted in?
Guess you don't know about these: arthritis.about.com...

You wear it to let people know your condition if your in an accident.


the problem is that there are currently dozens of proprietary systems. even the hospital bracelets that you get are incompatible. what is needed is a nation-wide interlinked system (obviously protected by the existing privacy laws) that would allow an instant interstate query. whether it's an implant (simplest and most convenient for most people) or a bracelet, ring, necklace, ID card, retina scan... they could even make it optional - a sort of opt-out where you assume responsibility for not having it (and thus becoming an unfortunate preventable death) in case of an emergency.

with the banishment of pre-existing conditions by 2013 they have enough time to implement this system and save a lot of time & money on doctors reports being requested/mailed/faxed...



posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 10:11 PM
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the problem is that there are currently dozens of proprietary systems. even the hospital bracelets that you get are incompatible. what is needed is a nation-wide interlinked system (obviously protected by the existing privacy laws) that would allow an instant interstate query. whether it's an implant (simplest and most convenient for most people) or a bracelet, ring, necklace, ID card, retina scan... they could even make it optional - a sort of opt-out where you assume responsibility for not having it (and thus becoming an unfortunate preventable death) in case of an emergency. with the banishment of pre-existing conditions by 2013 they have enough time to implement this system and save a lot of time & money on doctors reports being requested/mailed/faxed...



This will never happen with RFID. Its a very old redundant technology, some of the patents are over 50+ years old!
If you bother to do any research into the actual technology which seems that everyone in this thread has not, you quickly realize just how bunk and limiting it is. In short it's nothing to be afraid of, and even if it somehow became a concern it's easy to disrupt. After all, it's just a powerless small byte-size size mini passive tramitter with a maximum range of what, 2-3 feet?. Even an active RFID transmitter with power supply is about as reliable as wrapping your old car stereo in tin foil.

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posted on Mar, 28 2010 @ 10:16 PM
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Sorry kids.


A class II device is just a classification of device for FDA licensing including wheelchairs, surgical needles, infusion pumps, and...

hearing aids.


Hearing aids are both implantable and a class II device. Are they RFID chips?



Christ. What's wrong with you guys? I'll say that again.



Class II device is just an FDA

classification, which includes hearing

aids.


[edit on 28-3-2010 by Johnmike]



posted on Mar, 29 2010 @ 10:42 AM
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Check this out everyone! It seems Obama's home state has turned against him as well.
www.alec.org...

This just keeps getting better. Or, should I say worse?

~ Zeus



posted on Mar, 31 2010 @ 12:28 PM
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please inform me as to why everyone is scared of rfid chips? Not that I want one or that i feel they are even necessary. They are electrical components so even if they forced us to use them.. they can be easily destroyed. Also almost every person already carries a similar device around with us all the time.. except we have to charge our cell phones... the only difference is cell phones can send and receive data over much larger areas and can even transmit location and a host of other information.



posted on Apr, 1 2010 @ 09:06 AM
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Great information M8! Star to you. I already know about all this info and am very greatful you took the time and energy to update those in ATS who do not know what "they" have been using in elite soldiers for a few years now. Yes Rangers lead the way and when scan ID and location is noted.

Thanks Jessicasma for your work on your thread S n F to you!



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 09:13 AM
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That last video with the Katherine Albrecht audio clip was chilling, why? I just recently received a letter from my bank advising that all the distributed Visa credit cards are going to be replaced.
Currently Visa cards in my country have a magnetic strip, the new ones will not, instead they will have a computer chip (which can be scanned and read in much the same way as an RFID).
I'm going to be settling and closing my credit account shortly. I was considering changing to Mastercard, but I think it's time to go back to using cash.



posted on Apr, 7 2010 @ 10:50 PM
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Originally posted by Jessicamsa
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So, if this is true then the bill requires Americans to be chipped? I am not sure my interpretation is totally accurate, but that is my interpretation. However, if it is true, then why haven't opponents to this bill been more vocal about that?

What are your thoughts?


Yes it does, back in 2009 some other members and i posted information about this in some threads showing that some bills being passed by "Progressives" wanted to have every American microchipped....

The Obamatrons who thought "healthcare reform" was really about healthcare didn't want to listen. Of course you also get idiots who claim 'this is for the benefit of all"... but when you FORCE people to do something, such as getting an implanted chip you can be certain that they are not FORCING you for your own good.... But the Obamatrons are too naive to even understand what this means...

The "healthcare reform" has been used by Obama and the Progressives, and let's make it clear the Socialists in power to implement more of their Socialist programs which are set up to keep us under more control.

They are also doing this as fast as possible because they know the economy is going to go to the crapper despite the lies of the "Progressives" that the economy is recovering, which is nothing more than a lie.

I have found it extremely strange, and sad but I have seen members in these forums claim that being FORCED to do what the government wants is good. IMO either they are part of the government, or they are really that dumb to believe that being FORCED is good and that they still are enjoying FREEDOM....


I hope that more, and more states join up and tell the Feds, and the Obama administration, or any other that tries to continue to do the same that ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.....

I see in the future of the Republic a new division, and there are those who are trying to stop the division even though it would be for the good of those Americans who still want to live in FREEDOM....

The Republic should be divided into The "Republic of the United States", and the "Progressive/Socialist states of Obama" or whatever other name "Progressives" want to give it.

The REPUBLIC of the United States should be those states where Americans/states can live, and who don't want to be forced to do the things mandated in the healthcare reform, apart from avoiding the other mandates where Americans will be forced through bills, and programs being set up, and which have been set up, by the "Progressives" to do their bidding...


The other states should be for the "Progressives" and anyone else who wants to follow them and wants to do their bidding.

This is going to be the only way that conflict will be avoided, and i am certain that the "Progressives" would not want to do this, and even though no American really wants to see the Republic being divided once again, it seems to be the only way for every American to live as they want.


[edited for errors]


[edit on 7-4-2010 by ElectricUniverse]



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