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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus What makes you think that Satan and Lucifer are not the same?
You should read the bible if you are going to argue this point.
"The word “Lucifer” is used in the King James Version only once, in Isaiah 14:12: “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!”
Rev 22:16 (NIV) "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
As Fox Mulder says in the X Files, the truth is out there...
Originally posted by naeem11111
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus What makes you think that Satan and Lucifer are not the same?
Lucifer means light bringer/bearer and Satan means adversary. There is a big difference.
Umm ok see the quote from Revelation where it is clear there are several names in the same passage referring to the same being... Dragon, That Old Serpent called the Devil and Satan....thats four in just a couple sentences. And then "his angels were cast out with him"... so he and they were angels obviously.
You should read the bible if you are going to argue this point.
Which has had more than 50 major rewrites, with additions and deletions made.
Yes, and even with all the variations, its clear that Lucifer, Satan, Devil, Dragon, Serpent are all the same thing, referring to Lucifer the light bringer Archangel fighting Archangel Michael and being cast into the earth, and all of Lucifers band falling with him.
"The word “Lucifer” is used in the King James Version only once, in Isaiah 14:12: “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!”
Lucifer descended from 6th density to 3rd density to help us(our current density, soon to be 4th), hence the term "fallen angel".
And by the way the so called "son of God" and false Christ claims to be Lucifer so according to you he is the Devil himself!
The term fallen angel means just that, he fell from heaven(wherever or whatever that is) to earth, its very explicit and "his angels were cast out with him", which relates to the Book of Enoch where they the story is told of how they mated with the daughters of men. A passage from Enoch..."[Chapter 6]
1 And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto 2 them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men 3 and beget us children.' And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not 4 indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.'
Rev 22:16 (NIV) "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
wikipedia somewhat explains this dual meaning..."Traditionally, Lucifer is a name that in English generally refers to the devil before being cast from heaven, although this is not the original meaning of the term. In Latin, from which the English word is derived, Lucifer means "light-bearer" (from the words lucem ferre). It was the name given to the dawn appearance of the planet Venus, which heralds daylight. For this meaning, English generally uses the names "Morning Star" or "Day Star", and rarely "Lucifer".
and early Christian writers identifed Lucifer with Satan..."The Lucifer storyAn ancient myth[3] of the fall of angels, associated with the Morning Star, was transferred to Satan, as seen in the Life of Adam and Eve and the Second Book of Enoch,[4] which the Jewish Encyclopedia attributes to the first pre-Christian century:[5] in these Satan-Sataniel (sometimes identified with Samael) is described as having been one of the archangels. Because he contrived "to make his throne higher than the clouds over the earth and resemble 'My power' on high", Satan-Sataniel was hurled down, with his hosts of angels, and since then, he has been flying in the air continually above the abyss.[3]
Gustave Doré's illustration for Milton's Paradise Lost, Book IV, lines 1013–1015: Satan (alias Lucifer) yielding before GabrielEarly Christian writers continued this identification of "Lucifer" with Satan. Tertullian ("Contra Marcionem," v. 11, 17), Origen (Homilies on Ezekiel 13), and others, identify Lucifer with Satan, who also is represented as being "cast down from heaven" (Revelation 12:7–10; cf. Luke 10:18).[3]
But today some contemporary exorcists and theologians, such as Father José Antonio Fortea and Father Amorth, asserted that Lucifer and Satan are different beings.[6]"
So argue as you like.
As Fox Mulder says in the X Files, the truth is out there...
The truth is within, the Bible even says so,“kingdom of Heaven is within.”
-Naeem
Originally posted by robotamadeus
I ve got a book on the illuminanti can Illuminaanti facts and fiction. its interest5ing it talks about new world order alot.
“Most participants argued for privatization and a strong private sector economy.” That is a statement culled from a report of a panel discussion entitled “Post-Qaddafi Libya: The Prospect and The Promise,” organized by Washington’s Center for Strategic and International Studies in 1994.[1] Dr Ali Tarhouni stated at the conference, “with privatization, entrepreneurs will reach out and get involved in regional cooperation by searching for markets.”[2] Is that what the long-planned, well-funded “spontaneous revolts” now toppling regimes like a house of cards is actually about?
Regional economic zones are a prime part of the globalization process. One well-known example is the concept of a “Trilateral” bloc of Asia, Europe, and North America, instigated by David Rockefeller as per the Trilateral Commission.[3] Others include NAFTA, European Union, APEC,[4] and the like.