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Originally posted by JJay55
I've heard other first hand accounts that are exactly the same as your post. The OP is spreading propaganda which seems same method as Palestine. Thanks for your contribution!
Originally posted by JJay55
reply to post by I am i
I've heard other first hand accounts that are exactly the same as your post. The OP is spreading propaganda which seems same method as Palestine. Thanks for your contribution!
Originally posted by I am i
I am a combat veteran; I did two tours in Iraq. I was in Mosul for the start and later came back to do the battle of Fallujah. During the battle of Fallujah, we had a ¼ chance of being shot or killed. I was a corpsmen a field medic, we killed the dogs and the cats because; well they ate all the dead bodies that were lying in the street. They would come to us and spread nasty things. Therefore, we killed them so we would not get sick. Now I want to tell you a story. Imagine that your locked in Iraq and you’re your surrounded by people that might like you and others that would want nothing more to kill you. If a group of kid came up to your truck, or just wanted to be around you asking for candy would you let them get close? If you had to think about this, chances are that you’re going home in a body bag. Because someone thought that, the kids are nice well it turns out that if one tosses a grenade into the back of a hummer or just drops one right next to you well you’re dead. Do I Condon, any acts that hurt and kill innocent people? No and I never will. In combat and WAR in general no one is innocent, I can however understand why a few people would do the things that they do, but remember that it only take a few but it never speaks for the majority. Something that people that have never experience combat or WAR in general, it will change you and for anyone who has not been I don’t see why you get so upset over crap, over things like this. IT IS CALLED WAR. Now if you don’t like it, then help people stop the war, but then again you won’t because after you read this you just move on to the next post. When people get upset that it has not stopped yet, go look into the mirror and if you feel as I do, that it is wrong and needs to end find the power to help stop this war, because we all have the power, the difference is that I get up off my ass and try to do something about it. While the most will not. This is what make America so great.
[edit on 10-1-2010 by I am i]
Originally posted by steve95988
Star and Flag for Drunken Immortal, or whoever posted this
Its about time someone did! Thank you!
Im posting this reply to put my two cents in, because i can!!
I believe that the majority or the troops over seas are just a bunch of punk kids, and if they were back home they would most likely end up in jail or prison, or worse, dead.... I dont believe we should be in someone's country to begin with, but thats my own opinion, u might say well someone has to do it, well u know what, these immature boys with guns are nothing more than puppets trying to keep their mind sane by killing people who are not guilty of anything! Animals what have they done? children? adults over there? they are simply tryin to rid their country of the terrorist troops, the americans..... thats their land, their people, let them handle it!!! you say heros? just because u go fight an illegal war does not make u a hero, no it does not!! These boys over there are simply having fun!! But they wont be having fun when it comes to the end.... thats my two cents!!
Originally posted by Styki
reply to post by I am i
So true, so true. There is nothing that can prepare anybody for the shock of going into battle. It's crazy.
I think in the end somebody could come here to ATS and take all of the discussions here on ATS and use them as a great psychological experiment. There is a great saying, "don't judge somebody until you have walked a mile in their shoes". People can read all the articles, and watch all the you tube video's but that can never help them understand. The reality of the matter is beyond my ability to write.
When your over there the lines become blurred. Those who think they are arguing for good and peace are really supporting suffering. I would love to fight on the right side but I am starting to wonder if that really exists.
Originally posted by The_Archangel
On the whole, there are a lot of good kids in US uniforms but the vast majority are out of their depth and treading water. The US military looks to the disenfranchised and offers them away out of the routine, poverty filled life and suger coats the possibilities and dreams that could be theirs if only they sign up...FAST.
The video game generation is now on the front line and the 'Call of Duty' is suddenly real life.
Originally posted by sealteamsix
Originally posted by The_Archangel
On the whole, there are a lot of good kids in US uniforms but the vast majority are out of their depth and treading water. The US military looks to the disenfranchised and offers them away out of the routine, poverty filled life and suger coats the possibilities and dreams that could be theirs if only they sign up...FAST.
The video game generation is now on the front line and the 'Call of Duty' is suddenly real life.
I completely disagree. It's my pet peeve when people such as yourself make ignorant statements which imply that the military is made up of mostly unskilled and poverty-struck citizens. There are people that have very special abilities of all types that can have amazing careers in the military. And once in the military they can continue to have great careers outside of the military. There are mechanics that fix our humvees, swimmers that become rescue swimmers, pilots that can fly a jet, cooks that feed our troops. The military actually DOES offer great opportunities. And only someone with a biased against the military, and who's never been in it, would say different.
Originally posted by misfitofscience
Just amazing, what really comes from the profiteering of war? Do we the people, profit from war or do we loose a best friend or brother?
Does a military officer profit from war? Or does he or she loose sight of reality? Do they ecome a racist? Do they loose touch with their friends and family with those years goneby never to be cherished again?
Do the peasants, business men, women, children and homeless walking around aimlessley in a war torn town profit from war? Or do they just breed hate,cynicism, thoughts of disgust, revolt and the possibility of proving the milirtary right by engaging in future acts of terrorism as a result of revenge?
Originally posted by Dramey
with all the killing, torturing and all the other crimes taking place in that area, we honestly would be better off if we just nuked the whole place, especially while our soldiers were still there, i dont want any of those bastards coming back walking our streets here
[edit on 10-1-2010 by Dramey]
Originally posted by Dramey
we used the nuke in ww2 to shorten the war and prevent even more deaths, we'd be smart to do the same thing here, if not, this "War" will be going on long after anyone alive today is dead, and i truly fear what we will be creating by that point in time
[edit on 10-1-2010 by Dramey]
Originally posted by Barkster
This is just the tip of the iceberg I'm sure however how disgusting the acts may be don't blame the soldiers, blame the tptb that are using America and their young to crusade around the world and keep pulling them back under stop loss.
Originally posted by Dramey
hope americans are all proud of ourselves
all in the name of this insane terrorist paranoia we are creating generations of DISGUSTING DESPICABLE PATHETIC excuses for humans
with all the killing, torturing and all the other crimes taking place in that area, we honestly would be better off if we just nuked the whole place, especially while our soldiers were still there, i dont want any of those bastards coming back walking our streets here
hopefully iran will nuke someone so the whole area just gets nuked, then maybe at least the war will end while the area is polluted with radioactivity
maybe by the time the place is safe enough to inhabit humans will be somewhat better
but right now americans in that area are absolutely pathetic, and with everything we have done there, we are doing nothing but creating several generations of future terrorists
without nuking the whole place, we are in for a very long battle
we used the nuke in ww2 to shorten the war and prevent even more deaths, we'd be smart to do the same thing here, if not, this "War" will be going on long after anyone alive today is dead, and i truly fear what we will be creating by that point in time
[edit on 10-1-2010 by Dramey]
edited just to say for the record, i know many people who have served there, they have all come back much worse off then they were when they went there, there are a few who have come back better, there are a few who in a way have come back the same, but its obvious to see the trauma inflicted into these soldiers and the way it affects their mentality and personality, we are headed down a truly dangerous road, we are taking good people and severely corrupting them
sure there are many soldiers who are good, but if this crap keeps up much longer, the amount who are good will end up being few compared to all the crap we are creating
[edit on 10-1-2010 by Dramey]
Originally posted by 3DPrisoner
Originally posted by Barkster
This is just the tip of the iceberg I'm sure however how disgusting the acts may be don't blame the soldiers, blame the tptb that are using America and their young to crusade around the world and keep pulling them back under stop loss.
Forgive the soldiers you say. Should we also forgive the Nazi prison guards who gassed the Jews/Homosexuals/Gypsies/etc. because they might have been suffering from previous combat stress on the eastern front?
Barkster, those soldiers aren't getting off the hook from what they've done. Every last one who has served (latin root being servire= slave)in both of these criminal wars are going to be paying back the karma of what they did no matter how trivial. Nobody get's a pass. Nobody get's forgiven. Everybody pays in the end though, whether it's in this life or the next or the following I believe.
These soldiers have nobody but themselves to blame for giving their wills away to others (including TPTB). If they allowed the circumstances to debase them to the level of animals then animal treatment will be coming to them down the line somewhere.
I don't blame these soldiers. I pity them. I wouldn't want their karma any more than I'd want Hitler's or Bush's for that matter.
Blaming the Devil for our actions or TPTB just ain't gonna cut it. The responsibility bell toll will ring eventually for each and every one of them. We all get what we deserve.