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Videos of soldiers abusing Iraqi children and Animals

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posted on Jan, 11 2010 @ 12:39 AM
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All i know is whoever these people are they are not representative of the people i worked with there. In fact quite the opposite we adopted several dogs while in Iraq.In fact so many that a program was started to bring them back to the states.The reason is military regulations doesn't allow us to return with pets but the SPCA started a program to return dogs back to the United States. Ill check later to see if i can find the program.Oh and by the way two of the videos are not US troops one was Iraqi militia.The other was Aussie i believe though with the poor quality of video hard to tell for sure.As for the one incident of rape i know fellow soldiers turned them in and they were court martialed. There all ways individuals that do screwed up things does anyone remember high school?




posted on Jan, 11 2010 @ 12:50 AM
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I don't believe it.

Rubbish! Bull crap.

Just trying to find excuses to call our war heroes anything but.

But hey no one complains about the crimes that are commited here in America, and all the sick and disgusting things people to to others in America. Nope.



This sickens me.

Well I'm ready for any bashing I am going to get. I am use to it so you aren't going to make me feel guilty, sad, nothing. Bring it on.



posted on Jan, 11 2010 @ 12:50 AM
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Originally posted by Mike_A
reply to post by Drunkenshrew
 



Hm, I haven't served in the military.


Yet you make grand proclamations about how soldiers think and about what they are trained to do with no greater insight than that provided by a wikipedia article. Oh well if wiki uses the word indoctrination then my personal experiences and those of plenty of others here and outside of this site must have been a haze like dream.

And to be clear my bone of contention is with your ill informed drivel about “all natural barriers which keep soldiers from mistreating their fellow humans [being] battered down”; about recruits being drilled to “always” follow orders; about soldiers being brainwashed and all the additional reams of stereotypical nonsense found in your posts.

If you looked beyond you own stereotypes and those provided by “Platoon” or “Apocalypse Now” then you would find that soldiers run the range of personality types and are every bit the thinking, considerate people you are.

Training does so much but I'm sick of these armchair pundits claiming, with all the authority in the world and none of the experience, that it turns people into brain-dead, gung-ho, death junkies.

[edit on 10-1-2010 by Mike_A]

Maybe you are sick of armchair pundits like me, but I will reply to you anyway. It sounds ugly and unpatriotic, that the military uses psychology to turn young men and women into killers, but it is true. Most people loathe killing other people. People who won't kill other people on command are of limited use for many branches of the military. Therefore behavioural psychology is applied during recruit training. It helps to batter down the recruits mental barriers which prevent them from killing other people. They are conditioned.

Here a link and a quote from a research paper written by West Point Psychology Professor and Army Ranger Dave Grossman. He joins me in my ill-informed drivel.


During World War II, US Army Brig. Gen. S. L. A. Marshall had a team of researchers study what soldiers did in battle. For the first time in history, they asked individual soldiers what they did in battle. They discovered that only 15 to 20 percent of the individual riflemen could bring themselves to fire at an exposed enemy soldier.

That is the reality of the battlefield. Only a small percentage of soldiers are able and willing to participate. Men are willing to die, they are willing to sacrifice themselves for their nation; but they are not willing to kill. It is a phenomenal insight into human nature; but when the military became aware of that, they systematically went about the process of trying to fix this "problem."

From the military perspective, a 15 percent firing rate among riflemen is like a 15 percent literacy rate among librarians. And fix it the military did. By the Korean War, around 55 percent of the soldiers were willing to fire to kill. And by Vietnam, the rate rose to over 90 percent.

www.professorenforum.de...



posted on Jan, 11 2010 @ 12:53 AM
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Children and animals? C'mon this is the most asinine bunch of ridicules propaganda crap that I have seen in a very long time. What's next?.. American soldiers are torturing hello kitty dolls and telling bunnys there is no Santa Clause? Why don't you just give it a big rest and go outside and play hide and go @$%^ yourself.



posted on Jan, 11 2010 @ 12:55 AM
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They aren't going to listen to you. they only want to believe what they read in articles and what they see on the news. They don't like to hear the truth from actual people that fought the war. They just want to hear the lies.

Yes, there are always a few select sickos.

Thank you for serving our country



posted on Jan, 11 2010 @ 01:26 AM
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Those videos aren't even close to as bad as I thought they were going to be.

1. Better an animal dead than a human. Those animals could compromise a soldier's life for being too close.
2. The little kids were stupid for approaching strangers, not to mention rioting.
3. The gangrape video is faked.

[edit on 1/11/2010 by nightmarehalo]



posted on Jan, 11 2010 @ 01:41 AM
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Unfortunately, you will never understand my next statement.

I bet you 99.9% of soldiers out there don't WANT to kill anyone. But, when they are fired at, you best your life they are going to defend themselves in any way they can.

Survival in the purest form is a funny thing.

In my long career in the Navy, I had more missions where I was supposed to simply capture someone or do reconnaissance on a person or place than I did to kill someone in particular. Of course people died in battle, luckily never me or any of my squad, I am forever thankful for that. But hell, if fired upon I fired back.



posted on Jan, 11 2010 @ 02:21 AM
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It is not the responsibility of the common soldier, that he is forced to use violence in a war zone. That is the nature of wars. Those who send him to pointless wars are the real culprits. We, who do to little to prevent these wars share some responsibility. But that doesn't contradict the fact, that recruit training is used for conditioning. Soldiers who have undergone military boot camps are more ready to use lethal force - regardless if they WANT it or not. This readiness to use lethal force is not an unwanted by-product, it is part of the desired outcome of military training.

Most people killed by American troops are not killed for “survival” reasons. The USA has started dozens of military operations in foreign countries. How many of these countries have threatened US borders? Bomber pilots are rarely fired upon before they decide to man their planes, predator drone pilots don't act in self-defence.



posted on Jan, 11 2010 @ 02:54 AM
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makes me phukkin sikk



posted on Jan, 11 2010 @ 03:00 AM
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Even though this kind of thing shows the armed forces in a bad light, I believe that the MSM condones this kind of behaviour by not publicly shaming those involved.

Terrible, shocking stuff. Despite watching people blowing themselves up on the evening news, this stuff is personal - rape and abuse against an individual is directed at one person or being and should NOT be swept under the carpet.



posted on Jan, 11 2010 @ 03:02 AM
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Originally posted by factbeforefiction
Children and animals? C'mon this is the most asinine bunch of ridicules propaganda crap that I have seen in a very long time. What's next?.. American soldiers are torturing hello kitty dolls and telling bunnys there is no Santa Clause? Why don't you just give it a big rest and go outside and play hide and go @$%^ yourself.

Exactly. Same crapola has been coming out of Palestine for years. Vids of bloody little ketchup children that Israel caused blah blah blah BS. Oh the poor little children. Reminds me of the "baby milk factory" photos. All of your bases are belong to us.



posted on Jan, 11 2010 @ 03:10 AM
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I understand what you're saying. It sounds to me you're just explaining that after boot camp a soldier is more likely to use lethal force in war... I'm not sure how to respond to that other than I agree. They are taught to use lethal force. But the ROE are extremely strict and are plowed into any recruits head. Not to fire unless fired upon. And however unlikely any soldier is of killing someone, I was just explaining that when fired upon, any soldier would gladly kill someone to save their life.

This is war, soldiers are trained to fight and kill.



posted on Jan, 11 2010 @ 03:28 AM
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Did I miss the masturbating?

These videos are pretty cool. Soldiers kick ass! War rules the world!



posted on Jan, 11 2010 @ 04:26 AM
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The grenade video? Are you serious? I laughed my ass off! You just added it as kindling for the fire right?



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I totally agree with you about crazy laws, but seriously?:


Originally posted by The time lord
So don't be too against your own country and people, sometimes they do wrong but the bigger picture is that the whole army is trying to stop these harsh laws and free people while a few break the moral codes.


Then why the hell arent we in Saudi Arabia, N Korea, Sudan where the laws are worse? Your own reasoning why is PROOF its not the reason why were in A-stan, and you guys are in Iraq. Hell while we liberate Saudis maybe we can, I dunno, arrest people actually involved with 9-11..?



posted on Jan, 11 2010 @ 05:58 AM
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Yeah the grenade video didn't seem as harsh as any of the others, and at first I didn't see the big deal either. But then I remembered where these children live, everyday they are surrounded by explosions and gunfires and tomorrow is not a guarantee. So yeah I just figured joking around with a grenade to a child who has probably seen his share of people blown up wasn't in very good taste at all.

Agree on your points about deploying our troops where it is needed most entirely though.



posted on Jan, 11 2010 @ 06:21 AM
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there are idiots in every walk of life. but i believe the majority of soldiers are decent people.it would be wrong to judge the whole armed forces on few sick individual's. iv'e never understood why people get pleasure from making other people/animals suffer. perhaps they should have a taste of they're own medicine it might make them see the error of they're way's. i doubt it though.



posted on Jan, 11 2010 @ 07:49 AM
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Maybe you are sick of armchair pundits like me, but I will reply to you anyway. It sounds ugly and unpatriotic, that the military uses psychology to turn young men and women into killers, but it is true. Most people loathe killing other people.


And you think soldiers enjoy it? Are you so self important that you think your opinions magically become fact, that you can know this with absolutely no experience of the training or fighting soldiers actually do? That is what I find so insulting about your posts, you are painting all soldiers as this stereotypical unthinking war junky and you state as fact with absolutely no experience.

And no Grossman does not agree with you, he does not agree that soldiers are “killing machines” or that “all natural barriers which keep soldiers from mistreating their fellow humans are battered down” or that soldiers “always” follow orders or that soldiers are brainwashed. There is a huge difference between firing back at someone who is trying to kill you and having no barrier to mistreating fellow humans or being brainwashed.

I've experienced the training with other soldiers, I know better than you what is taught and how they think and you can't pigeon hole them as crazed war junkies desperate for the next kill. I am not brainwashed, I do not mistreat other humans and I am fully capable of questioning what I am told to do.

So please, stop telling other people how they think, they know better than you do.



posted on Jan, 11 2010 @ 08:29 AM
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If there wasn't a war, there would be no such abuses. Which isn't an excuse for what some american armed forces' simians are doing. On the other hand, you can't say they're all alike, of course. Stop this stupid war, trial these baboons and let there be peace.



posted on Jan, 11 2010 @ 10:02 AM
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It is the insurgents, and the guns for hire working for radical Islam who are abusing Iraqi's far, far more than U.S. soldiers.

The news of vicious attacks carried out in name of Allah by religious nut cases in Iraq arrive almost daily.

Here is a question you need to wrap your brain around.

Why do you support people who blow up women and children on an almost daily basis?



posted on Jan, 11 2010 @ 10:13 AM
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I noted that the videos to a large extent are promoted by the communist party usa. Certainly a group that is more concerned with bashing the usa. Never seen them post reports of Pol Pot or any other communist regime abuses.



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