Do you honestly not think this is a nude image?

the problem is that this will not stop terrorist at all...

i heard that prisoners with drug abuse problem insert a number of syringes in their bottom once getting into prison so that they will charge others to use it since you cant ask for 1 in there.

in 9/11 for example no guns were used....

in airports i think metal detector is enough

the solution might be not inventing ways to detect terrorists but invent alternate energy supply other than oil so that you dont have to invade countries and create new terrorists

reply to post by Doc Velocity


That is simply all that needs to be said!!!! Wether you believe in conspiracites or not, just think hard and long about what we have given up in the name of security. And all the news can hype is "underear/shoe bomber every five minutes. Well, let's talk about Kansas City having more snow this year in one month than all of last year and the fact that my fingers are freezing off because it's so cold in this room since the windows suck. This is much more fun than talking about hiding bombs in my hiney and giving my daugther cancer because some jackass in Washington wants to nuke us all slowly with these scanners. BUT HAIL TO ALL YOU JUNK FLASHERS. I'm glad you are secure with your naked body, so much so that getting nuked slowly is of no concequence to you.

Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
Did the Bush Administration know about it in advance? Maybe.

I don't believe the Bush administration orchestrated the 911 conspiracy, but they certainly knew about it — anyone who lived through the Clinton Administration knew that somebody was trying to blow up the WTC. Anyone who lived through the Clinton Administration knew that Al Quaida was linked to the first WTC bombing. Anyone who lived through the Clinton Administration knew that Bill Clinton let Osama Bin Laden GO rather than extradite him from Pakistan.

I mean, OF COURSE the Bush Administration knew there was a threat from Al Quaida on the WTC... The Clinton Administration FACILITATED IT.

Which tells me that globalist forces behind the scenes were pulling the strings, and that the Bush/Clinton/Bush and now Obama Administrations are ineffectual puppet regimes that stand by as these calamities are allowed to manifest.

All the world's a stage... Difference is, your elected officials have bomb shelters while you don't. Figure it out, right?

— Doc Velocity

Originally posted by alaskan

Originally posted by dereks
you have the choice - if you think it is a gross invasion of privacy then dont fly

Not everybody cares enough to look into this to even bother telling their children about it.
Children can't just opt out of flying when they're family is going somewhere.

Not everybody can afford to drive cross-country, or cruise over-seas.

These aren't going to stop at airports, the people pushing them have been saying for years that they want to put them everywhere where "security" is an "issue."
Football stadiums, courthouses, amusement parks, the post office, state borders, and on and on and on...

How many thousands of people said it was crazy to think that cell phone text messages would be kept?

How many times were we told our email archives wouldn't be sold?

What makes you think that something like nude images would be any different?

Why do you hold airport personal at such high esteem that they'd never do something immoral?
You really think those guys/ladies are somehow morally immaculate? They'd never think bad thoughts about anyone, and they'd never sell exclusive celebrity nudes or images of children for big bucks, because they're perfectly nice, good people. All of them. Nothing to worry about, everybody but them terrorists loves us, right?

You're in denial. Snap out of it.

[edit on 7-1-2010 by alaskan]

Excellent post good sir, you spoke you're mind and mine. If someone who doesn't care is looking at my naked body...I do because they "get to" if I want fly. How many of you have been de-humanised? Its o.k for the doctor so it is for security too as well?

What about tattoos? Will they come out clear in the image? Or might they be blurry and look like something strapped to my body. Would I be escorted off to a little room? Would they catalog our tattoos? I don't like the feeling I'm getting here.

Its one thing to make people jump through hoops & some are ok with that, but it's another thing entirely when they start dragging people off to little rooms. Bad things can happen in little private rooms.

Would I rather take the risk of sitting next to a terrorist on a plane or trust the system to do the right thing for the right reasons? It's kind of like asking if I'd rather get hit by a train or a truck.

I don't think I'll be flying. If there's money to be made with this technology these things will show up other places. Human error will always let the bad guys get us if they want to.

There will be porn of these images.

It will be disgusting.

Soon there will be advertisements for it (scanner porn)...

(Example made by me using quote from actual porno site from the internet. Dirty words have been censored).

*Now imagine these disgusting words beneath your wife or daughter's scan...




[edit on 8-1-2010 by Exuberant1]

It should be anyone illegal for this to be performed on anyone under the legal age of consent.

However.... I don't care if they scan me, I have nothing to hide.

Lost all my inhibitions of nudity long ago, who cares. Penis vagina penis vagina penis vagina,

it's all the same.

Originally posted by TheIrvy
Honestly, I despair. We're living 1984, having words banned from our vocabularies, watching what we say incase we're punished for saying the wrong thing, allowing our wii fit to tell us how to exercise, being watched and recorded almost every time we leave our homes, forced to line up and be searched and stripped just so we can visit our relatives, scared and manipulated into giving up every freedom that makes life worth living, poisoned by our food, drugged up to the eyeballs in the name of medicine, and you don't care. Your more concerned with whether or not that security guard will laugh at what size your willy is than you are about being treated like property.

When will you wake up? How much will they have to take from you before you say No More? Have we become so passive, so oblivious that we just say Thank you Sir, Can I have another?

I hate quoting Star Trek, but Sir Stewart has a way with words. Why is nobody saying "This far, no further, and I will make them pay for what they've done"?

This is a great post...

I also believe that people are missing the bigger issue. I could care less about someone seeing me naked, the point is they are invading your privacy! It's one less freedom that you shall enjoy as an American citizen...the protection against unreasonable search and/or seizure. This has already taken place, but this full body scanner only furthers the intrusiveness.

Instead of people being in an uproar, it seems most people are either applauding the efforts to curb terrorism, which is completely bogus. Or, they are upset for the wrong reasons!

You're right, it's 1984...All of the observations you made have either already happened, or will shortly come to pass. It's up to the American public to stop it, and from what I'm reading, that doesn't sound too promising.

[edit on 8-1-2010 by bigdaddy7ftr]

i wont fly anywhere becasue im afraid of planes and stuff, but i dont see this as an invasion of privacy if it saves even 1 life its worth it. and im sure it would.
so either do work and get a body you wont be embarrased showing, or dont fly, its as simple as that.
heck, most peopl ei see could stand to lose a good 75-100 pounds, use it as motivation.

I see all this back and forth & just wonder, when can we finally say it is 100% safe to fly? Will we all have to eventually disrobe and waltz through security in the buff? Will we have to have full cavity searches?

When is enough going to be enough? Who gets to determine when this has gone from protection to privacy violation & most importantly, are we all really willing to leave such an important descision up to the jerks in D.C.?


I'm sorry, but I agree with the poster who called this the latest "monster under our bed." We are a nation ruled by fear now & this is just one more liberty we are willing to part with all in the name of feeling safe when in reality, that will never happen.

FYI, I also agree with the poster who said anyone who thinks this is "a okay" should step up and volunteer to have themselves scanned & then posted online for the world to see. I get the distinct feeling that some people will suddenly find fault with this plan.

Originally posted by lynn112
I see all this back and forth & just wonder, when can we finally say it is 100% safe to fly? Will we all have to eventually disrobe and waltz through security in the buff? Will we have to have full cavity searches?

When is enough going to be enough? Who gets to determine when this has gone from protection to privacy violation & most importantly, are we all really willing to leave such an important descision up to the jerks in D.C.?


I'm sorry, but I agree with the poster who called this the latest "monster under our bed." We are a nation ruled by fear now & this is just one more liberty we are willing to part with all in the name of feeling safe when in reality, that will never happen.

FYI, I also agree with the poster who said anyone who thinks this is "a okay" should step up and volunteer to have themselves scanned & then posted online for the world to see. I get the distinct feeling that some people will suddenly find fault with this plan.

Good point!

This is another thing people fail to realize. There is NO GOING BACK! The intrusiveness only worsens as our rights erode away to waste. It will NEVER be safe again, as long as we keep letting the media and our politicians lie to us.

Now I'm not saying certain measures shouldn't be in place to protect the public...as long as they're reasonable and fall within the confines of the law and the Constitution. Some people keep acting as if we have to give up our rights in order to keep ourselves safe, and that simply isn't the case, quite the opposite really.

Originally posted by Revolution-2012
It should be anyone illegal for this to be performed on anyone under the legal age of consent.

However.... I don't care if they scan me, I have nothing to hide.

Haha, That's funny.

You pretend you don't care and that it's no big deal...

...You are Rationalizing.

And when you do so in public as you are - you only ruin things for everyone else in the country.

*It is not your faulty entirely, but you are helping to bring us to ruin.


[edit on 8-1-2010 by Exuberant1]

Aside from the gross invasion of your privacy every time you want to fly somewhere?

I'd rather have one of these than go through one of those metal detectors and take off piercings, jewelry, belts, and so on.

If that's the case, I guess you won't mind if the goverment sets up cameras all over your house, and watches you or your children have a shower to prevent "terrorism" I mean what's the big deal right?

What a weird and irrelevant analogy. To be clear - they are setting these up in airports.

So when they screen children with this, how is this not child porn?

Probably because it does not meet the definition of pornography.

...You are Rationalizing.

And when you do so in public as you are - you only ruin things for everyone else in the country.

And you are irrational, which is a cancer to not only this website, but also to humanity.

[edit on 8/1/2010 by C0bzz]

This technology won't save anyone.

coming back from belize one year, i had purchased a bottle of hotsause, and put it in my carry on, my friend made a similar purchase, but instead of one large bottle, it was 4 little ones of different flavors. my big bottle was destroyed, and they let him keep his. same volume of liquid.

this makes no sense, if someone wanted to take down a plane, they could literally say they were bringing a bunch of hotsause to a relative, and inside the bottles carry either a liquid based explosive, multiple liquids that mix together to become a poison gas, or anything like that. hell, all you would have to do is walk to the bathroom with your carry on, and mix it all together.

this will not save any lives, and is possibly very harmful as discussed in another post where it may actually destroy dna information within your cells.

Originally posted by patmac


Is it possible that these machines are actually NOT intended to be used to search for contraband, or to look at people's naughty bits? Are these scanners being set up for something else? Here are a few questions

Can these machines be used to determine who has, and who hasn't been microchipped? Or rather, can they also equip a stronger RFID reader within the system? Does it already have one? Is this a feature that we overlooked?

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Your "imaginative leap" and mine, are one and the same...this is the beginning of much, much more.
I am completely disgusted and amazed, by the lack of concern, the ignorance, the blatant disregard by people on ATS and so many APATHETIC people around, to protect the basic liberties set forth in the Constitution. This has nothing to do with NUDITY, people. I always assumed, searches, seizures, pat downs, and strip searches (which this clearly is) were reserved for CRIMINALS, or suspects where a crime has been committed.

reply to post by TheIrvy


So VERY WELL spoken, that tears came to my eyes.

I'm only half as amazed by what is being perpetrated against us by our governments, as I am by people's reactions to everything that has been slowly inflicted on us for many, many years. Most just can't see the gradual progression towards complete dominance that is happening. I truly believe that it's not peoples ignorance that blinds them as I used to think; no, I think some are incapable and the reason why simply baffles me...

From what Ive read, here in Canada these will only be used if someone is suspected of hiding something. A 2nd, more thorough search if you will.

Also here in Canada, if you do not wish to have your body scanned, a physical pat down is an option instead (like the police do).

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Hope you in the US get the choice.

Originally posted by Morningglory
What about tattoos? Will they come out clear in the image? Or might they be blurry and look like something strapped to my body. Would I be escorted off to a little room? Would they catalog our tattoos? I don't like the feeling I'm getting here.

That feeling your getting is a guilty until proven innocent feeling. It's not very nice when people look at you with suspicious eyes.

This seperates us from the goverment more and more, and creates more hatred, and a more of a us against them vibe. When we should be in this together.

Well basically, these tactics are not good for society in my opinion. they keep coming out with laws that makes things worse and worse.....sigh.

[edit on 8-1-2010 by _Phoenix_]

Originally posted by whoshotJR
reply to post by alaskan

 

You delete the image that you played around with the colors because that is not relevant to your argument. They wont be doing that to images, they will just be looking at the top ones you showed.

HA you think some pervert airport employee wont get their kicks off checking you out as you go through the body scanner? Who's to say they can't save those images and do whatever with them later? Get real

[edit on 8-1-2010 by SeeingBlue]

For those of you who think this is ok, think about it this way. Regardless of whether or not a person has a reason to be offended, it is a violation of the 4th amendment. This is an unreasonable search, which has no warrant based on probable cause.

So, all other arguments aside, whether you think it is a big deal or not, it violates one's constitutional right.