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Whats with all the Homophobia?

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posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by adifferentbreed
reply to post by serenesupreme
 


I'm not playing the victim......funny you should try and twist it that way. I was pointing out the ability of political correctness to be brought into play. If I think gay rights parades aren't appropriate, I hate gays, if I disagree with Obama I'm a racist, pure and simple victim mentality based on the ability of people to not be able accept differences. I don't have to like what you think, do, or believe, as you have the same right.


The only one who brought PC into play was you. And I didn't automatically assume you hated or disliked gays based on your dislike of pride parades, it was your word choice and the undertones of some of your post that led me to that conclusion. Sometimes its what you don't say that speaks volumes.

And if you state that you dislike Obama's policies or what have you but all you do is constantly sling hate towards him while never referring to any of his policies, I'd have reason to believe that your dislike could be directed at him because his religion, the slim possibility he is the Antichrist, or maybe his race.



Should it be accepted as fact that since we disagree on this you in fact hate all straight people? Kinda silly huh? Yet for some groups, the moment you disagee.........poof you're a "insert label here". This type of thinking has pretty much made alot of those labels useless. P.s, I live on an island and generally don't wear shoes, if ya have some comfy flip flops.......yup, I still get discriminated against, large, heavily tattooed Pagans don't get highly thought of around here.....


Yes...it is silly...very silly. If this was a thread about straight marches and I disagreed then your logic would be sound but it is not. No. Very silly.
And I would never disagree with something by saying, "It's gross. Those heteros should die!", or something along those lines. If I disagree with something, you'll know why leaving no room for someone to label me something I'm not. If you say something homophobic be prepared to be called a homophobe. If you say something racist, the label is sure to follow. But if you disagree with something and can list why in a concise manner without any malice or bias, then you can leave no room for labels to be thrown at you.


[edit on 3-1-2010 by serenesupreme]




posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 12:53 PM
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And if people support gay marches they're "homosexualists", and if people support Obama they're "socialists" (ha!), and elsewhre "multiculturalists". Perhaps all us poor "-lists" people should come together for an encounter group and a pity-party.

I mean nobody understands. We don't hate gays, we just don't want to see them, boo-hoo.
It's a bit like heaven when you don't have to see hell, isn't it?



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 12:54 PM
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It's actively promoting tolerance! Stop trying to say that gay people are somehow exempted from being normal, as that's patently absurd.

Gay folks don't want special rights, no matter how much you think they do. They want equal rights, and you ignoring that won't change it.

reply to post by unicorn1
 


So you are treating people differently by their sexuality. Would you have a problem with loads of straight people going out and having a party in the streets? Because if you go to Mardi Gras, that's pretty much exactly what you've got, as statistically 90% of the people there are straight. But I haven't heard you bang on about how straight people get together and flaunt their sexualities, so heck - it seems you are treating people differently due to their sexuality.

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You voiced your opinion by calling gay people deviant. Just as if I stated that it was my opinion that all Americans are retarded fat-asses, I wouldn't be surprised if some people called me out on my fantastically inaccurate opinion.

You have a disgusting opinion on this matter, don't be surprised when people bring attention to it. Just because it's your opinion doesn't mean it's sacred to everyone - you are entitled to it, but if you stand up and broadcast it to the world, you have the right to be harangued for it.

It has nothing to do with political correctness, but equality. So unless you think the civil rights or anti-slavery movements were some sort of "political correctness" movement, you're being rather hypocritical.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 01:00 PM
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I didn't say anything with malice, I simply pointed out if you disagree you are labeled. I live my life happy with the choices I have made, but the moment I would try to push those beliefs on anyone else, I would be wrong. If you're gay, cool, everyone should have someone to love, but the moment it has to be accepted by everyone, it becomes something more than love. If you deny that some people don't have an agenda and are trying to obtain special, not equal, rights, that's your opinion. I don't "hate" any group of people, I hate groups agendas and unfortunately that includes lots of people. I'd prefer to live aboard my boat, happily strumming the blues while everyone else enjoyed their life in what ever way they see fit. However, when their agenda pops into my little world, I do have a right to voice my opinion. We're never gonna see eye to eye on this, not even close, , which is a shame. However, if labeling me something makes others happy, well I've been called worse with no ill affects. Have a nice day, I think it's time for some music....



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 01:03 PM
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Again, you don't think it's a leap comparing the two.......gay rights is so far removed from the civil rights marches. Again, sorry you feel that way. I also stated I thought heterosexual displays were the same thing....deviant. However, choose what you wish to believe, some people need to play the viftim I guess.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 01:07 PM
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There is a big difference in normally accepted behavior, and the behavior portrayed by these parades. It's not acceptable gay or straight, but, go ahead and see what you want. I didn't make a distinction between the two, you chose to. It's no different than me being a Witch. Every Halloween the media drums up the most bizarre dressing idiots with wierd names and ideas and puts them on t.v. Just plain and simple bad pr, much like these parades.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 01:08 PM
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No, if you call perfectly normal behaviour deviant, you get labelled, and properly so. You are wrong. Gay people are not deviant in any way, shape, or form. They're pushing to be allowed to marry each other (as straight people currently can), to adopt kids together (as straight people currently can), and to be allowed to serve in the military (as straight people currently can). How you can find fault in that escapes me completely.

They're not pushing their beliefs, but encouraging tolerance. If you can't stand what someone's doing, even if you don't like it, you're not being tolerant. That's the whole meaning of the word.

How someone can listen to the blues, and not realise the same struggles that the musicians suffered now apply to gay folks, is beyond me. Your cognitive dissonance is staggering.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 01:11 PM
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posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 01:11 PM
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You don't see any deviant activity in these parades? Man, I guess eveyone acts like that in their everyday life. Nope, can't really compare the blues to the gay rights "struggle". Again, everyones entitled to their opinion, we'll just never see eye to eye, and I guess that's where homophobia comes from.........



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 01:12 PM
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Originally posted by adifferentbreed
I didn't say anything with malice, I simply pointed out if you disagree you are labeled. I live my life happy with the choices I have made, but the moment I would try to push those beliefs on anyone else, I would be wrong. If you're gay, cool, everyone should have someone to love, but the moment it has to be accepted by everyone, it becomes something more than love. If you deny that some people don't have an agenda and are trying to obtain special, not equal, rights, that's your opinion. I don't "hate" any group of people, I hate groups agendas and unfortunately that includes lots of people. I'd prefer to live aboard my boat, happily strumming the blues while everyone else enjoyed their life in what ever way they see fit. However, when their agenda pops into my little world, I do have a right to voice my opinion. We're never gonna see eye to eye on this, not even close, , which is a shame. However, if labeling me something makes others happy, well I've been called worse with no ill affects. Have a nice day, I think it's time for some music....


You are so stolid in your beliefs and I can respect that because I am the same. As you say we're never going to see eye to eye and I won't harass you anymore. I will say this though. It's feels so much better spending life loved than loathed. And hating someone for something as small as sexual preference...not worth it. Enjoy your tunes



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 01:18 PM
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Originally posted by adifferentbreed
reply to post by davesidious
 


Again, you don't think it's a leap comparing the two.......gay rights is so far removed from the civil rights marches. Again, sorry you feel that way. I also stated I thought heterosexual displays were the same thing....deviant. However, choose what you wish to believe, some people need to play the viftim I guess.


Explanation: Care to qualify EXPLICITLY WHY gay rights is so far removed from the civil rights marches IYO? And also WHY heterosexual displays are also deviant?

Personal Disclosure: I'd really like to investigate it, if it is a independant standard seperate to yourself, and I'd very much appreciate it if you disclosed how you assessed this independant standard as valid?


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Oop's I typed too soon!


RE: "There is a big difference in normally accepted behavior, and the behavior portrayed by these parades.".

So where is that independant "normally accepted behaviour" standard that you are measuring them by? I'd like to heavily scrutinize its validity!



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 01:43 PM
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To me, the main differece would be, gay people can vote, not be made to sit in the back of the bus, they don'have seperate hotels, water fountains, restaurants etc. The biggest issue seems to be marriage. Handle it with the vote, anything else is not going to work. I don't know why I have to explain the difference on parades but here goes.....BDSM have no business in a public display, nor does nudity, parodies of religion or anything else. If you want to be taken seriosly as a group, act serious.....better pr and picking and cjhosing your battles would be a better way of handling thingts. I know again, I'm wrong and as I stated before I don't think these things are o.k. for a heterosexual parade either. In fact, we have on average 11 parades a year, on the island where I live....neither gay nor straight......just celebrations. Whatever happened to good clean fun? I can't honestly be the only one on ATS to feel this way, at least I shared my beliefs. As I stated before if someone wants to be gay, cool everyone needs someone to love......I just don't have the need to trivialize mine between my wife and me through outlandish actions. Have a nice day......really have a nice day. We're never gonna see eye to eye, so rather than arguing, you asked my opinion, you have it, lets just all enjoy the day we have......even if it is ungodly cold here today.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 02:06 PM
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Originally posted by adifferentbreed
reply to post by OmegaLogos
 


To me, the main differece would be, gay people can vote, not be made to sit in the back of the bus, they don'have seperate hotels, water fountains, restaurants etc. The biggest issue seems to be marriage. Handle it with the vote, anything else is not going to work. I don't know why I have to explain the difference on parades but here goes.....BDSM have no business in a public display, nor does nudity, parodies of religion or anything else. If you want to be taken seriosly as a group, act serious.....better pr and picking and cjhosing your battles would be a better way of handling thingts. I know again, I'm wrong and as I stated before I don't think these things are o.k. for a heterosexual parade either. In fact, we have on average 11 parades a year, on the island where I live....neither gay nor straight......just celebrations. Whatever happened to good clean fun? I can't honestly be the only one on ATS to feel this way, at least I shared my beliefs. As I stated before if someone wants to be gay, cool everyone needs someone to love......I just don't have the need to trivialize mine between my wife and me through outlandish actions. Have a nice day......really have a nice day. We're never gonna see eye to eye, so rather than arguing, you asked my opinion, you have it, lets just all enjoy the day we have......even if it is ungodly cold here today.


Explanation: St*r for your prompt disclosure!

I don't think your are wrong at all! Maybe a bit prudish but thats my opinion and is in no way valid at all OK [besides it would be a direct ad hominen and I don't want to attack you at all].

Personal Disclosure: I [being a bi-sexual] agree that some of the PR is quite tacky etc. and not at all representitive of the larger demographics that are parading for what ever reason! I believe that is because even smaller minorities jump on the bandwagon and try and shoehorn in their lot with the larger minorities and this has clearly led to both a muddying and bloodying of the waters so to speak.


P.S. I hopefully will have a nice day and I hope that you do too!



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 02:14 PM
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Ya know it's funny.......I've never thought of myself as prudish in the least, until the last year or two. Man, I've had a wild life, and sometimes look back on it and think was the hell was I doing. Maybe I'm getting old? Anyhow thanks for listening to my opinion. Have a good one.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 02:18 PM
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There is nothing deviant in those parades. Please tell me what you've seen in those parades that is deviant. Or anything to do with gay folks that is deviant. Please, just tell me that.

And no, homophobia doesn't come from people not agreeing, but from people thinking gay folks are deviant.

I was comparing black peoples' rights, not blues music, with gay rights. Don't confuse the issue.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 02:32 PM
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Ok, not that i am either religious nor gay, but could this be some kind of explanation.

In the Bible Leviticus 20:13

"'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
the bible leviticus 20:13


If some people are as fanatical about their religion as the bible would suggest they should be, that would be one explanation. I Also know that some say it doesn't mean it literally, but i think it is perfectly clear on what it is saying.

Secondly some people are not necessary Homophobic just anti gay, as a result of something that happened to them as a child, by a gay person, I am speaking from personal experience. But i am not homophobic, just anti gay, I know its wrong to tare everyone with the same brush, but its not easy to after havering a traumatic experience such as this. I dismiss the saying that people are homophobic because they are in denial of their own sexuality, although i do accept that some might.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 02:36 PM
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Last time, blatant BDSM, public nudity, you know things that would result in someones arrest........I'm beginning to feel like you're specifically trolling, or just ignoring what I posted above, as far as the music thing, I think I explained it rather well in a previous post. I once again didn't single out homosexuals as being deviant, I said the deviant behavior of some people, both straight and gay. It is possible for anyone to act in a deviant manner.........think about it, and then let me know when I singled out the gay communiy, I say again......both sides are equally capable.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 02:45 PM
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It not being easy doesn't make it right. It speaks more of your character than it does of gay folks. I've had plenty of stuff happen to me by people different to me - I've not fallen in the same trap you have.

Also, if people are to take the bible literally, then they have to stop eating shell fish, and stone wayward children. But those don't happen, so it's almost as if people hide behind religious texts to explain their hatred.

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BDSM and public nudity are not deviant behaviours. Maybe to you, but not to most folks. Either way, you calling them deviant speaks of you judging, which Jesus (and common decorum) said was a bad thing. Oh, and if the parades offend you, don't watch. Gay folks aren't breaking down your door to shake their butts in your face - you'd have to actively seek it out and stay there in order to see it.

Where did you single out the gay community? When you said "Deviant activity promoted by [gay pride parades]". That did it for me.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 02:46 PM
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Generally this thread makes me glad as a non-Western gay male.
Whatever verses are mentioned and claimed, it seems that gay people are described as an unchangeable fact.
I don't know if all people understand this, but for me it means: "Yes!
We do exist".
That is a kind of victory.



posted on Jan, 3 2010 @ 02:50 PM
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Originally posted by neo5842
Ok, not that i am either religious nor gay, but could this be some kind of explanation.

In the Bible Leviticus 20:13

"'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
the bible leviticus 20:13


If some people are as fanatical about their religion as the bible would suggest they should be, that would be one explanation. I Also know that some say it doesn't mean it literally, but i think it is perfectly clear on what it is saying.

Secondly some people are not necessary Homophobic just anti gay, as a result of something that happened to them as a child, by a gay person, I am speaking from personal experience. But i am not homophobic, just anti gay, I know its wrong to tare everyone with the same brush, but its not easy to after havering a traumatic experience such as this. I dismiss the saying that people are homophobic because they are in denial of their own sexuality, although i do accept that some might.


Explanation: Your post emotionally touched me! St*r for you!

Personal Disclosure: Due to your disclsoure, I thought you might find this BTS thread of interest and/or helpfull! Here! [Note BTS thread] Login to BTS for best viewing experience OK!


P.S. I apologize in advance if it wasn't OK!



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