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Originally posted by hooper
OBL is named as a co-conspirator in the indictment. That means is equally charged with the crime.
Sorry but i have to stick with the FBI's and DOJ's statments about OBL.
I notice you avoided the following.
WRONG, about 75% of the evidence and most of the official reports have not been relased yet due to the fact of the ongoing investigation.
So you are being dishonest when you state that all the evidence has been presented.
Originally posted by hooper
Well its pretty obvious you are avoiding reality. Yet you insist that the government has no interest in OBL and does not think he was linked to 9/11. That is simply delusional.
Translation: I have not seen them because nobody will drop them in my lap.
Nope. You are engaging in the age old practise if quote mining. When I said that it was in a completely different context.
You claimed that the items we were talking about would never be accepted as evidence in a court of law and I corrected you by noting that everything we were discussing at the time was submitted as evidence in a court of law and the evidence result in a guilty verdict.
Also as proven the FDRs would not be accepted as evidence in court.
Originally posted by hooper
The data from the recorder was authenticated by the Chief of the Vehicle Recorder Division of the NTSB.
Originally posted by hooper
You wanted authentication - you got it.
If UA93 mostly buried as you claim...
Originally posted by weedwhackerand was repeated by "truther" who started thread!!!
post by weedwhacker
The airpolane impacted, and mostly buried into the soil. What happens to a bullet, if fired into dirt or sand?
A small bullet, even with such low mass, moves at tremendous velocity. Basic physics, velocity/energy....look it up.
Originally posted by weedwhacker
Well, first of all.... We are discussing, here, UAL 93 at Shanksville.
no, I seriously doubt the reports that the "cockpit" broke off, and tumbled away.....because that is the first point of impact.
We simply have NO OTHER similar high-speed impact to compare to
You mean like Flight 1771 that crashed into a field at the reported speed of around 700 mph?
Originally posted by weedwhacker
Please do NOT attempt to put words into my mouth, or twist what I have previously written, to fit your warped view!!!
BACK OFF!!!
Are you now backing away from your statement of "The airpolane impacted, and mostly buried into the soil"?
Originally posted by weedwhacker
No, I am not.
I think it's obvious that MOST of it buried
Doesn't mean, by implication that ALL "95%" (a figure which, as I've already pointed out, was a pure estimation) was 'buried'!!!
THIS is a false argument that is perpetrated by the "truther movement" in order to attempt to deflect, and ridicule, by distracting away from facts with innuendo and derision.
There are NO hard and fast set 'rules' that can model and predict EVERY item, in the forces involved...WHERE it will go, how it will be affected, HOW other forces (fuel explosions, etc) come into play....to expect such is ridiculous.
Originally posted by ATH911
Originally posted by weedwhacker
No, I am not.
OK, so can you now answer my 2nd question, what proof do you have that most of the 757 buried in Shanksville?
I think it's obvious that MOST of it buried
Curious, why do you think it's obvious most had buried? Btw, your skeptic buddy hooper disagrees with you that most had buried. You two might want to clear that up since you guys can't have it both ways.
At a news conference, FBI agent Bill Crowley said that the field near Shanksville, Somerset County, has been turned over to the county coroner and that 95 percent of the plane found at the site has been turned over to United Airlines.
Evidence-gathering was halted Saturday afternoon and the pieces of United Airlines Flight 93 that had been recovered were turned over Sunday to the airline, with the exception of the flight data recorder and the voice recorder, which are being held and analyzed by the FBI, according to FBI agent Bill Crowley.
Crowley said the biggest piece of the plane that was recovered was a 6-by-7-foot piece of the fuselage skin, including about four windows. The heaviest piece, Crowley said, was part of an engine fan, weighing about 1,000 pounds.
To the casual eye, it looked like solid, consolidated ground but in reality the reclaimed expanse was loose and uncompacted. When flight 93 hit the ground, the cockpit and first-class cabin broke off, scattered into millions of fragments that spread and flew like shrapnel into and through the trees 20 metres away.
In Pennsylvania, Somerset County coroner Wallace E. Miller and his team scoured the "halo"—the field and woods surrounding the crater left when United Airlines Flight 93 plunged into the ground. The debris was everywhere. Trees were draped with scraps of luggage, clothing, bits of the fuselage and human remains.