Communism, there is no worse destiny for mankind.

Originally posted by OzWeatherman

Originally posted by gdeed
Communism steals the soul and leaves people helpless, hungry and desperate. Communism will do the same to you.

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Youtube evidence removes the few brain cells that sub-human trolls have left, causing them to reply with redundanct one or two sentence replies, while avoiding backing up their own topic with some useful evidence

Kind of nice living in a free country and spouting off fairytales about living under communism. The fact is there are millions living under the hardships and the hell of communism now. Why don't you try living it before you glorify it.

Communism never worked out the way it supposed to for 2 reasons.

1. A small time after the communist revolution in Russia, their was a bureaucratization

2. Communism can never truly reveal its full potential unless the entire world accepts it. Any person living in a communist system who knows that uncle moneybanks over in America is making millions, at the expense of the lives of millions, would shred his lifestyle in a second for greed.

Eventually, whether you like it or not Mr. Gdeed, the world will become entirely communist, unless we destroy ourselves or decide to keep a massive, MASSIVE gap in between the rich in the poor for our entire life as a species. It is natural, because it is evolution.

We can't survive living in a pure capitalist system forever. It was great to get people off their rear ends, but when people will finally start looking at the big picture, they will realize that a system based on greed and competition is doomed to put themselves against each other.

When you think of an advanced civilization, do you think that their world is run and controlled by less than 5% of the population? Do you think that the richest countries will throw away enough food each year to feed the rest of their brothers? Of course not!

Already, the world seems to be uniting into 5 economic competing factions, and soon enough, will be united in 1. Already, America, the leading crusader for capitalism, is using and adapting socialist policies.

Like it or not, one day we will be red!

So are you insinuating that your broad, sweeping generalizations of communism are the pillars of knowledge you possess about the subject?

Do you care to elaborate in an educated manner on your opinion? I'm just asking. I doubt you would.

Just like any creature, if you don't feed a troll it dies.

Originally posted by gdeed
.Why don't you try living it before you glorify it.

Why dont you try living in it before you condemn it. Pretty much all your threads carry on about how good capitolism is and how great America is, and how great it is that the democratic party was in shambles at one stage.

You dont have any idea how communism works, and you seem to have an ignorant attitude to anything you dont agree with.

Tell me, is ignorance really bliss?

I can hear the objection to this already,but I believe it's true! It falls in line exactly with the NWO and the antichrists One-World government!

From
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QUOTE:

..."Liberals are Unwitting Shills for Communism and Satanism"


Bella Dodd (1904-1969) a lawyer and Political Science professor, was a Communist Party organizer from 1932-1948 and a member of the National Council of the CPUSA from 1944-48.

In her book, "School of Darkness," she said Communists like her infiltrated and took control of liberal and socialist groups and unions. (She took control of the NY State Teachers Union.) She said Communism is a Satanic cult that is conspiring to enslave the world.

In testimony to HUAC in 1953, she revealed some Liberals "have allowed themselves to become supporters of the very members of this conspiracy. This is not liberalism, not liberalism in the finest sense of the word. This is just allowing the Communist to pull them into a propaganda environment which says that "anyone who is close to the Communist is a liberal. I do not believe that is the definition of "a liberal."

She offered the classical definition: "A liberal is a person who believes in the right of the individual to function. The Communist does not believe in the right of the individual. They believe only in the right of the collective. The individual is only part of a collective group, and whenever he doesn't move according to the collective, he is ousted from the group."

Mr. Kuzig: "So you would say that when so-called liberals today, self-denominated liberals, support and work with the Communist program, they are being deluded into thinking they are helping a liberal cause when it is not liberal."

Dodd: "One of the great tragedies today is that these Americans do not realize that this would take civilization back to a barbarism which existed long before the Christian era... The Communists have a way of changing names and labels....How shall we recognize them, then ? ...by the fact that they believe that there is no God ; that a person is just born, grows, dies, decays, and that is the end. They believe that the individual doesn't matter; that the collective matters. They believe that certain people should have the power to run a country."....

Originally posted by OzWeatherman

Originally posted by gdeed
If you don't want to see it on ytube go to any number of Communist countries now, they are filled with poverty and pure despair. China being the exception for a few million of their people because of their new found love for Capitalism. But China still has millions living in pure communistic poverty.

So does the USA

Last time I checked, that wasnt a communist country. Your logic is seriously flawed

I live in the USA and there is free public housing, free, healthcare, free schools, and clean water for everyone that can't or don't want to pay for it. Now there are people that don't want government aid and live off private charities.

There are people down on their luck, people that don't like work and people that like their drugs. But even they can get help if they want it.
Oh, and America is not as Capitalistic as it use to be, we are now under lefty control. So things don’t look as good as they use to.

Originally posted by OzWeatherman

Tell me, is ignorance really bliss?

Apparently it is. Most people that like the idea of Communism don't know anything about. They heard it was cool so that's enough for them.

Originally posted by gdeed
I live in the USA and there is free public housing, free, healthcare, free schools, and clean water for everyone that can't or don't want to pay for it. Now there are people that don't want government aid and live off private charities.

Those free schools obviously did nothing for your geography or history education

And thanks for making it clear that you are infact tyhe pigheaded, ignorant american that everyone that you are. I hope you do visit a communist country becuase you wouldnt last 3 minutes with the ridiculous attitude you have

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This guy LIVES IN AMERICA, but I doubt English is his first language. (From another country?)

You Hate America? It sounds like it.


So, WHAT COMMUNIST country ACTUALLY worked out well?

Originally posted by OzWeatherman

Originally posted by gdeed
I live in the USA and there is free public housing, free, healthcare, free schools, and clean water for everyone that can't or don't want to pay for it. Now there are people that don't want government aid and live off private charities.

Those free schools obviously did nothing for your geography or history education

And thanks for making it clear that you are infact tyhe pigheaded, ignorant american that everyone that you are. I hope you do visit a communist country becuase you wouldnt last 3 minutes with the ridiculous attitude you have

I did well in school but thanks for asking. Capitalism has some great schools unlike the propaganda machines in Communist countries.

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Originally posted by Clearskies
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You Hate America? It sounds like it.

I dont hate America, I hate ignorant know it alls who ramble on about stuff that they know nothing about, regardless of nationality

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Originally posted by gdeed

I did well in school but thanks for asking. Capitalism has some great schools unlike the propaganda machines in Communist countries.

Of course America has great schools, thats why a shockingly high number of Americans cant point out Iraq on a map.

I have a hard time believing that anyone can watch the videos in this post and not appreciate the evil of communism. This is a great example of why the Soviet Union failed. If we break away to modern America, replace Communists with Progressives. These Progressives ridiculed Bush II for 8 years. Now, anyone criticizing Obama is immediately attacked. No Democratic senator admits to reading the Health care bill, but they can't wait to vote for it. It is Government domination of our lives. Communism.

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Based on the videos, which I assume mimic your personal beliefs, it becomes clear that Lenin acted the way he did because he believed Darwin's theory showed that humans were little more than evolved apes which to Lenin implied people could be conditioned like animals. Also the purist notion of dialectical disagreement causing necessary conflict can also be seen as another motive for such harsh treatment of the Russian people with the assumption being that the citizens must be forced, not argued with, to come to agreement.

Obviously Lenin was taking these ideologies to their extremes, eliminating all notions of morality, seeing difference as the enemy rather than as a benefit to his people, and in general perverting the notion of the means of production being for the equal benefit of all people. It's not hard to see that Lenin and Stalin's Russia was the product of several philosophies. The least of which seemed to be socialism, in the sense that the people were taken care of, and more the idea that people must be forced to behave a particular way.

Clearly it was not the socialistic aspect of communism that was at fault, but rather a lack of compassion and common sense. People are not homogeneous, nor does we want to be, which is why the US's capitalistic republic largely works. However where capitalism fails is it promotes efficiency with complete disregard for the humans in the system that have stumbled along the way.

And surprise, surprise, the reason capitalists say this is good thing is because it promotes Darwin's survival of the fittest similar to what Lenin was promoting during his reign of terror.

Now I'm not saying that the Darwinian notion of efficiency is bad in its own right (because its not), but I am saying what's needed is a balance amongst all philosophies. People neither want to be managed by the state nor do we want to be destroyed simply because certain humans don't fit the ideals of the paradigm they were born in to. As in every society there will always be people at the bottom of the food chain that still deserve basic human decency despite not fitting in to the perfect design of society's goals.

For example, in a meritocracy, excellence being the ultimate goal-post, not all people should be treated in accordance with the value they contribute back to society. Because like any class-based system where social class is strictly defined, a meritocracy can just as easily be a dystopia as it can a utopia (i.e. read Michael Young's, Rise of the Meritocracy).

So the key take-away here seems to be this: no one philosophy is better than any other because over enough time-and-space any given problem addressed by a philosophy will be conquered and thus a new challenge will emerge. In understanding this it's easy to see that efficiency isn't the end-all-and-be-all because when we eventually get to a post 0-exigency world (implying either robotics, fusion, or any other host of technology) efficiency won't be as important because society through efficiency over time eventually makes all people unnecessary.

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Communism is as close to a perfect system as I have found- with one catch...

Everyone has to agree with it.

If there is even the slightest concept of gaining an advantage on your fellow man, it fails.

Humans are fundimentally competitive and selfish, and that is why Communism will never work.

How many doctrinally perfect communist systems have ever worked?

Originally posted by WhiteOneActual
Communism is as close to a perfect system as I have found- with one catch...

Everyone has to agree with it.

If there is even the slightest concept of gaining an advantage on your fellow man, it fails.

Humans are fundimentally competitive and selfish, and that is why Communism will never work.

How many doctrinally perfect communist systems have ever worked?

Exactly

Thats what people, especially the OP has failed to understand. Communism as a political idealism is flawless, unfortunantly people are the idiots that stuff communism up. Even bigger, ignorant idiots dont see this and claim that communism is evil and greedy

Thanks for posting some common sense mate

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I have just as difficult a time attempting to comprehend how anyone couldn't see the flaws and evils rooted within the current form of capitalism.

Very few countries are actually reaping the benefits of the current capitalist system. The rest watch as their countries are torn apart by corporations in the name of greed.

Let us also not forget the environmental degradation that is currently being inflicted by an overly consumptive lifestyle here in the first world.

In my opinion, communism is just a scratch in the surface when it comes to improving the living standards of human beings and protecting our environment for current inhabitants and future generations.

The best way to do that would be to abolish the monetary system as we know and embrace a lifestyle where we all work for the benefit of each other.

The cessation of the global monetary system would work toward improving our environment as well as curbing the majority of crime that currently exists throughout our planet. With a monetary system no longer existing, robbery, burglary, property crime, narcotics distribution, extortion and organized crime would be completely eliminated. Emphasis could be placed on better cultivation practices to ensure that no one on Earth would perish from starvation. Health care and education would of course be provided free of charge. Everyone on earth would be given adequate shelter to protect themselves and their families from the elements.

Something akin to this would be my ideal solution to the world's problems. As I see it, neither capitalism, nor communism completely address these issues and neither of these ideologies will ever come close to providing this planet's citizens with as much liberty, happiness, contentment, and freedom as would be achieved by abolishing the monetary system entirely and banding together as a collective species to ensure that every living soul on this Earth was provided for and that every soul was made to be equal.

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I guess it all depends on personal experience. When I was a college student and part-time soldier living off of the taxes of others, it was a great idea. I was bettering myself and contributing to my country, why shouldn't my countrymen be enthusiastic about supporting that?

But then I started paying taxes. I'm not only paying for those in similar situations to my formitive years, but also paying for single mothers of 9 who have never had a job nor desire to ever have a job.

My wife the probation officer has done nothing to encourage my belief in social welfare either. "Why should I get a job when I'm on welfare?" is the most frequent reply to a job status query. And then they have enough THC in their system to kill an ox. Our tax dollars at work (reguardless of my or your opinion on the legality thereof).

If we were all working towards a common goal thats one thing, but we're not. We never will be.

No matter what, human selfishness will overtake any grandiose political idealism.

Take what you can, keep what you get, expend as you see fit. Thats the only process that will ever work.

Originally posted by SantaClaus
So are you insinuating that your broad, sweeping generalizations of communism are the pillars of knowledge you possess about the subject?

Do you care to elaborate in an educated manner on your opinion? I'm just asking. I doubt you would.

Just like any creature, if you don't feed a troll it dies.

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Communism is a cancer with no cure. Those stuck in it are doomed to live their “entire” lives in hell. The only people that like communism are those that have never lived under communism.

Originally posted by OzWeatherman

Originally posted by gdeed

I did well in school but thanks for asking. Capitalism has some great schools unlike the propaganda machines in Communist countries.

Of course America has great schools, thats why a shockingly high number of Americans cant point out Iraq on a map.

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You are a typical hate everything and everyone communist. And you make a good communist I might add. Now all you need is to move to a communist country, there are many up and running as we speak, and try and live in its poverty and unending suffering. Communists living under the umbrella of Capitalism are living a lie.