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I PERSONALLY spoke with the people in Iraqi, NOT the high officials safe and cozy in there office, but the people that are living off of garbage and are afraid to even walk to the market because there afraid of being terrorized into placing bombs in the road to kill Americans.
Originally posted by ThePeoplesSoldier
THANK YOU!! FINALY SOMONE GETS IT!!!
Its about protecting the soldiers because they dont know or see the big picture.
All they know is being a good soldier, and keeping thier friends alive. THATS IT!
Originally posted by doped00
I really do want to thank you and all the soldiers. I mean no disrespect, but with that said...
I respect you because your heart is in the right place wanting to fight for freedom it's just that your soul is with the devil. (the government) I mean, yeah the every day Iraqi might love you there, but for every enemy your killing your also killing 1,2, maybe 3 innocent civillians? Who can know?
I had the chance to join the Navy, but I opted out because of the very same reason you listed about what happens if you don't follow orders. They own you. Period. If the time every comes for martial law and all that #, your SOL because they got you. You don't follow their orders you don't eat, your wife doesn't eat, and worst of all your new kid doesn't eat.
How could I let an organization called the government, as shady, greedy, and corrupt as they are, control me like that? I would need to trust them full heartedly and know their intentions pure and good and not tainted. There is just to much shadiness with the government and I did not want them providing for my food and shelter because that gives them to much control.
This is my opinion, but I do respect you.
[edit on 8-12-2009 by doped00]
Originally posted by LAUGHING-CAT
screw the fags.
And for those that don't, can't, won't go, that is not a perjorative meant for homosexuals, it is simply what we called cowards.
Originally posted by RedDragon
reply to post by WickedStar
For argument's sake, is a Mafia hit-man responsible for murder? After all, he's really just following orders from higher-ups in the Mafia.. And if he refuses, he will be executed by the Mafia. Same with the concentration camp executioners which we executed for following orders, right?
Our criminal justice system has no problem imprisoning hit-men and we had no problem executing concentration camp employees and related soldiers.
The idea that soldiers aren't responsible for their individual actions is a very collectivist mentality that goes against the principles of individuality, and by corollary against the principles of freedom. I hate to use the word irony a lot, but that's what many soldiers claim to be defending.
All higher-ups did was look into a TV camera and talk about the conflicts or write words about the conflicts on paper. None of them are actually toting guns.
The families of the people we've killed probably consider writing words on a piece of paper with a pencil less of a travesty than dismembering their family members with guns and bombs. Although, I could be completely wrong here, maybe pencils wage more wars than guns and bombs. Yeah, nations can be invaded with pencils, right?
If a soldier invades a country that hasn't threatened our freedoms then isn't he really a bad person if you judge his individual actions?
Sake of argument here, not necessarily my beliefs.
[edit on 12/8/09 by RedDragon]