The Islam Conspiracy

reply to post by merkava


Sounds to me like that is what you are saying.

You have been war mongering since you began posting on this thread.

How many times have you called out to kill and enslave people.

This seems to be the biggest thing on your mind.

Meanwhile, you ignore everything that I say and write whatever you want.

It is obvious you hate the west and want to kill us all.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by merkava

 

Sounds to me like that is what you are saying.

You have been war mongering since you began posting on this thread.

How many times have you called out to kill and enslave people.

This seems to be the biggest thing on your mind.

The biggest thing on my mind is that you keep hiding your real agenda behind the 'burqa'.All i am asking is for you to be straight forward like bombeni and Jjay.

Meanwhile, you ignore everything that I say and write whatever you want.

No one can ignore what you have been saying on every page of this thread.

It is obvious you hate the west and want to kill us all.

Yes i hate the west thats why i am living in the west.

Originally posted by poet1b

Islam is the only culture that teaches this belief that if you die facing the enemy you will immediately go to heaven where numerous virgins are waiting for you. This belief includes the ideal of many branches of Islam that blowing yourself up in a market killing women and children also qualifies you for the virgins in heaven. If this isn't a radical belief, then what would you define as radical?

Islamic nations are also the only nations who punish women for being raped, who have a policy that a woman out in public unescorted by male relative who is raped, was only asking to be raped. Once again, how do you justify this as being anything less than extremely radical.

and how messed up is that?
i've read of how women in islamic countries get stoned to death for being raped. religion of peace my backside.

Originally posted by merkava

Solutions

Arrest them all on the charge of Terrorism?

Kick all Muslims out of western countries?

Pack them into trains destined for labour camps?

1)Ban islam and muslims coming to the West and i guess the muslims would expect the same in their countries.i.e getting rid of foreign forces,contracters, free trade of weapons and nuclear asenal, no border controls, no sanctions, no political interference.

2)Commit genocide like the russians did in chechnya and bosnia on muslims living in the West.

3)Drop a nuke on every islamic nation.

The way you present things about islam i think some of these points might solve the problems.

So which solution would you chose?

oh ha ha ha.

None of the above.

That wouldn't make any of us any better than the terrorists are.

I think rules are what need to be laid down.

I think, especially if they live in Western countries then need to LEARN to respect the culture and ASSIMILATE, as opposed to sticking with their own communities and calling everyone else infidels.
They need to be taught that women aren't a piece of meat if they're not covered in bedsheets from head to toe. They need to start respecting women, yes, even women in their culture too. It disgusts me how women are portrayed in the Qur'an as someone to pretty much be like the man's slave, have no say in anything.
They need to keep their problems and hate in their country, don't bring it elsewhere. I think countries should do a background and character check and English and Manners test.
And they shouldn't take the Qur'an so literally. Instead they should just see it as a rough guideline to life and try and adapt best in whatever country they live. just chill

reply to post by traumst_du

i've read of how women in islamic countries get stoned to death for being raped. religion of peace my backside.

did you never hear of it happening in the country you immigrated from?

[edit on 12/15/2009 by Spiramirabilis]

reply to post by poet1b

Originally posted by poet1b
I suggest you tell your friends that every time I see a woman wearing a burqa I am insulted, as it stands for everything that opposes Western beliefs.

Just because some people are forced to wear the burqa or hijab (just as some are "forced" to wear high heels, or ties or suits, etc), that doesn't mean that every person who wears one is oppressed. See, this is why people are coming off so hard on you. That statement DOES sound bigoted. It is akin to someone saying "Every time I hear someone speaking german, I am insulted, because it stands for the nazis, and those people should stay out of my country or stop speaking german!"- it is a GROSS over-generalisation, and very, very prejudiced.

Me, personally, I find that the burqa may be somewhat limiting for women, especially in conditions where they must interact with small children or the elderly (like a teacher or a doctor or something), but banning it would just be a infringement of their right to freely express themselves.

Now I don't disagree with you that men shouldn't be FORCING their wives to wear ANYTHING, but I hardly think a blanket ban is the answer, because many women freely CHOOSE to wear a hijab or burqa. There are some more reasonable solutions, which don't technically conflict with even the most extreme views, but it is up to the individual to educate themselves on that- and in the end, really, it is up to them.

QUESTION: Do you seriously believe that any woman wearing a burqa or hijab is only wearing it because they've been forced to wear it?

Originally posted by poet1b
It is clear that you must de-humanize me because my beliefs are so different than yours. You do this by ignoring what I write, because if you were to actually read what I have written, you might begin to understand why I feel the way I feel.

I understand the way you feel, but I optimistically hope that it is due to an incomplete view of the picture, perhaps compounded by cultural conditioning (rather than a concerted effort to mislead).

PS: I've been somewhat wondering about traumst_du as well (seems very strange she joined exactly yesterday, and posted directly into this thread), but I kinda kept quiet because it isn't exactly nice to confront someone like that- it is just that she (or her fiance) seems to have had more interaction with "indians" and "arabs" and "middle easterns" who (as she says herself), may not even necessarily be muslim, rather than actual "Islam". However, if you don't mind me asking, why would you be forced to only have to wear a hijab on 1 day of the week?

[edit on 15-12-2009 by babloyi]

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by traumst_du

 

i've read of how women in islamic countries get stoned to death for being raped. religion of peace my backside.

did you never hear of it happening in the country you immigrated from?

[edit on 12/15/2009 by Spiramirabilis]

Didn't look at the link of being stoned I posted, eh?
Stay in denial.

Originally posted by Dock9

Aussies postpone having ANY children, because they're too busy working to pay tax so the government can hand it to muslim migrants and their multiple 'families'

Most muslim migrants are unemployable, by government standards. They claim they are 'not well enough' to work. Or .. they 'can't speak the English' ... or, they have no skills ... etc.








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[edit on 7-12-2009 by Dock9]

An awfully large amount of disingenuous posting in this thread.

My father taught me one rule: To know a thing examine its origins.

I did.

I saw my heritage being eaten away. I'm English by birth and I say the following with little shame. My homelands culture and heritage has been torn apart by immigration without integration.

I left.

I choose to live in the southern U.S.A. because it seems to be the one remaining (currently) bastion of MY (or close to it)cultural heritage, with one exception....too much religion.

I have no grievance with any religion in particular, I find them all offensive.
I do however have a large grievance with migrant populations who seem to believe that their adopted country should bend to their will and laws.
This isn't how it works. (Though apparently, I'm wrong, judging by the nation of my birth.).

Now in saying that, I have one question.

Since it is (as stated earlier in the thread) perfectly ok for any manner of garb to be worn in the western nations ...by anybody. Why is it offensive to do so in nations that declare themselves Islamic states ?

And now another.

Surely if it is ones custom to NOT wear head to toe garb, then you would think one could dress as one chooses ?

If it isn't..well then why is a person bigoted and intolerant in the west for frowning upon outdated, medieval mores. But it's ok elsewhere as we should not offend the host.

Tolerance has to be a two way street. It certainly does not appear to me to be that way.

(Individuals and some communities will differ from the norm. But study the big picture)


[edit on 15-12-2009 by EdCase512]

Originally posted by EdCase512
Since it is (as stated earlier in the thread) perfectly ok for any manner of garb to be worn in the western nations ...by anybody. Why is it offensive to do so in nations that declare themselves Islamic states ?

And now another.

Surely if it is ones custom to NOT wear head to toe garb, then you would think one could dress as one chooses ?

If it isn't..well then why is a person bigoted and intolerant in the west for frowning upon outdated, medieval mores. But it's ok elsewhere as we should not offend the host.

Because according to Islam theirs is the only correct law and superior to everyone elses. And if you don't agree they will behead you. Sorry, that's just the way it goes. And if you don't want to go along with it there will be violence.
Thanks for asking.

reply to post by JJay55


please - was really wondering

you said you've read about it

was it not common in the country where you came from?

there's no need to be snotty - it's a simple question - and an honest question

showing me something about a stoning won't prove anything - and I choose not to look at things like that if I can at all help it

doesn't mean my head is in the sand - it means - I won't watch others being tortured

simple as that

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by JJay55

 

please - was really wondering

you said you've read about it

was it not common in the country where you came from?

there's no need to be snotty - it's a simple question - and an honest question

showing me something about a stoning won't prove anything - and I choose not to look at things like that if I can at all help it

doesn't mean my head is in the sand - it means - I won't watch others being tortured

simple as that

Sorry silverback avatar. I was feeling sassy today. I'm very passionate about education about Islamic terrorism. There are a few others on this site that are also well educated on the topic. Then there are the typical others who cry racism and whatever else who refuse to awaken.

The future holds an increase in Islamic terrorism that we need to be prepared for. 2010-2013 are times of aggression that many won't understand. It's important to educate as many Americans so we don't run into infighting within our borders in the time of and emergency. All hands will be needed and those schmucks who are lagging will be a serious burden to First Responders and others who know what they are doing.

reply to post by JJay55


Thank you. I am however very familiar with the laws, was merely interjecting some mild-mannered thought provocation for those who may be interested enough to think about it for themselves.

I've seen "the writing on the wall" for a very long time and chose carefully where I wished to be...and when.

reply to post by JJay55


my apologies - you responded to a question that I originally asked traumst_du

I replied to you thinking it was her (I really hope she does reply)

my mistake

carry on

I'm really glad to see that there are some level headed posters on this thread.
What can be done to make more non-muslims aware of the Islam plan? How would you spread the word? What dangers should we make everyone aware of?

reply to post by JJay55

The best and simplest way. Encourage people to ask the questions themselves.

For example: Why would a person emigrate (most basic reason) ?

Answer: (Simplest term) For a better way of life.

.................So why continue to follow the same lifestyle with no effort to integrate and often an active and vocal push to have the "host" adapt to your way ?

(This is painting with a wide brush to be sure. But the evidence is there to see.)

Hatred is not required or warranted. Some cold analytical observation will however prove eye-opening for many.

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by traumst_du

 

i've read of how women in islamic countries get stoned to death for being raped. religion of peace my backside.

did you never hear of it happening in the country you immigrated from?

[edit on 12/15/2009 by Spiramirabilis]

no, and just to be clear, i never said it happens in the country i came from. stuff like that doesn't happen in my country, but there IS great tension between the christians and muslims in my country. And don't forget the Bali Bombers, those guys that did it pretty much said they did it to kill the white infidels.

Originally posted by EdCase512
I saw my heritage being eaten away. I'm English by birth and I say the following with little shame. My homelands culture and heritage has been torn apart by immigration without integration.

yep. this is what Australia is becoming or has become. No culture or identity.

Originally posted by EdCase512
reply to post by JJay55

 

The best and simplest way. Encourage people to ask the questions themselves.

For example: Why would a person emigrate (most basic reason) ?

Answer: (Simplest term) For a better way of life.

.................So why continue to follow the same lifestyle with no effort to integrate and often an active and vocal push to have the "host" adapt to your way ?

PRECISELY!

Leave your problems and way of life behind you if you move to another country. I'm applying for citizenship soon and have been reading the booklet they gave me. It said a thing or two about Australia's "values" etc. Unfortunately none of those are actually practiced. these people take the test, then just go back to being un-Australian and not really taking in what the book says.
They haven't got a clue as to how to participate and function in a normal society. Fair enough our society might not be normal for them, but if that's the case, then leave.

reply to post by traumst_du



ok ok... I know I said I was gonna move on from this but I couldn’t resist

Traumst_du... you do realise that you are adding weight to an argument that could eventually see YOU kicked out of Oz???

Or do you think that they will somehow be able to tell you apart from the evil, terrorist, rapist, woman stoning, child beating, Burka wearing, all the problems in the world are caused by, Muslims?



Babloyi...

I've been somewhat wondering about traumst_du as well (seems very strange she joined exactly yesterday, and posted directly into this thread), but I kinda kept quiet because it isn't exactly nice to confront someone like that

Trouble with these sorts of threads is you never know if you are having a real conversation or not...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Not saying Traumst_du is one of these... but they are out there

EdCase512....

The best and simplest way. Encourage people to ask the questions themselves.

For example: Why would a person emigrate (most basic reason) ?

Answer: (Simplest term) For a better way of life.

.................So why continue to follow the same lifestyle with no effort to integrate and often an active and vocal push to have the "host" adapt to your way ?

(This is painting with a wide brush to be sure. But the evidence is there to see.)

Hatred is not required or warranted. Some cold analytical observation will however prove eye-opening for many.

Same can be said for the English expats in Spain... Most have gone over there, to a land of foreigners, to escape all the foreigners, and become the foreigners (ouch that hurts my head)

Many of them don’t bother learning the language, open up English Chip Shops and English cafes... get drunk at night, do not care about Spanish culture and traditions. Just sit around complaining about how Britain has gone downhill since all the foreigners moved over there and destroyed their culture... ROFL

The irony, the hypocrisy, the stupidity!!!

How do i know this... my uncle is one of them!!





[edit on 16-12-2009 by Muckster]

reply to post by traumst_du

no, and just to be clear, i never said it happens in the country i came from. stuff like that doesn't happen in my country, but there IS great tension between the christians and muslims in my country.

I don’t doubt that

And don't forget the Bali Bombers, those guys that did it pretty much said they did it to kill the white infidels.

oddly specific

yep. this is what Australia is becoming or has become. No culture or identity.

I’m wondering about this – if it were up to you – what parts of Australian culture and it’s identity would you see preserved?

reply to post by EdCase512


So, the first thing an immigrant should do when moving to the United States is become a Christian, buy a cowboy hat, get a truck and wear an American flag denim jacket while listening to Toby Keith?

The United States is a nation of immigrants, with different cultures, values and ideals. (Remember? Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, yearning to breath free.)

Freedom includes the freedom to maintain your own cultural values and heritage, not to be forced to change who you are to "assimilate", provided you don't infringe on another's freedom, which seems to be what all of those proposing forced assimilation are doing. Assimilation and conformity are the opposite of freedom. It is, in fact, slavery to the norm. Kantian heteronomy at its finest.


[edit on 16-12-2009 by SorensDespair]