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Why won't God heal amputees?

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posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 03:27 PM
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Originally posted by Haydn_17
Because he would have to come back and land his spacecraft, along with his heavenly host (army) I belive jesus was an alien..


Or simply because he doesn't exists at all


I like better the alien idea.




posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 03:33 PM
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I'm happy to say that I have not read all the posting so far.

What I want to know - will God grow hair back on my bald patch? I suppose I should stop being a fundamentalist agnostic before he does this.



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 03:46 PM
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there is one power that is all powerful, it's called Truth. We try to hide it, cover it up, run from it, deny it and lie about it. There is always 1. We have 1. We can only live 1. The closer we are to living the/our truth, then we are the closest to God. If we live our truth, as it is, and to ourselves be true, then we don't and won't have to run around trying to bribe God, or any religion for a better outcome. According to my encounter with my Grandmother during a near death experience, We all go to the same place. what matters is now. How we live and how are we living our, the truth. An amputee, whose gone to war and paid for it with his limbs, or a desease has claimed them, had nothing to do with faith, love, god, jesus, any religious icon, or religious views. That is the price for the risks, the person who went to War, went to War! the disease that caused the loss, is still from the disease that is in us as Human beings. We made the choice of coming to this conciousness of being Human. It's not a blame game, or find fault. it just is. We have to live with it no matter how it may make us feel, seem, appear, no matter what. When that person who lost their limbs, It all starts with the Truth. We are human, we are fallible, we hurt and hurt others. We are trying to survive this worlds as we know it in our conciousness. The farther we get from the truth, it becomes obvious from our choices and peace of mind. Bad things happen. It's not god's fault, it's the reality of what we've become as we have evolved. Many of us have "crosses" to carry, or issues to deal with. I would rather have no arms, or legs, as opposed to a heart that requires me to have a defibulator, 14 meds a day and according to the death mongering cardiologist, a few more years to live. We are accountable for all our choices. I have to be accountable even thought I didnt' want the heart attack that caused these issues, It is still in my genetics, and life. Now, I deal with it. It always ends with a choice. We just have to live with the outcome. Why won't God heal an amputee? maybe that person is healed, inside. Physically, it's beyond the limitations of our organic bodies. If we sit around and feel sorry for ourselves, well, that's a choice too. Maybe that person is healed to live on, to carry on. the still have the ability to love, live, get mad, get happy. The rest is just biological. I know, from experience, and my true faith, that we are "loved", so much by the powers that be. We are honored to live out thoughts, feelings, choices. It's not from a lack of love that these things happen. They happen. What or how are we dealing with it will be our legacy.



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 03:57 PM
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first problem is, you dont want to move your butt to find the evidence . you want it served right here on the screen. so I guess it will never happen.


I've already addressed why "being out there" is not a prerequiste to a miracle or anything supernatural.


But this issue regarding the letters isnt in a video . I guess you would propably say that it was manipulated in someway, if I showed you a video anyway, right ?


You're using two fallacies right now, and I would look at the evidence and examine it before I claimed it was manipulated in some way.


But you are lucky today - a book deals with this problem with illustrations of the letters
catalogue.nla.gov.au...

so, are you satisfied now ?
- I guess not - so sign off, and get out there - there is a lot of evidence to investigate


Sorry, but the book is not evidence that the letters are supernatural in origin (and yes I'm familiar with that book as well as the Hodgson Report.)



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 04:13 PM
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There are so many arguments regarding this from both sides of the spectrum. It gives me a headache.

When I was in school, we had to debate this in my philosophy class.

I actually had this same debate with a priest who came door to door. When I finally stumped him his only response was "well... thats where faith comes in."

All i have to say is this;

If G-D were omnipotent and omnipresent then he could do whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted, there wouldnt be so called "rules." The rules simply wouldnt apply, since G-D would be more powerful and larger then we could comprehend. So you cant have it both ways, either G-D purposefully causes people to lose limbs, because he controls everything, or he is not as powerful as people think. In that case he wouldnt be able to heal anyone anyways.


[edit on 25-11-2009 by WhiteDevil013]



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by endisnighe
If I am mentally handicapped, does that mean I should be solved?


None of us deserve healing. It is a gift. In some cases it is a gift to not be healed. In order to know, one would have to ask God. That is His role.



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by reasonable
Or maybe. Just maybe.... going out on a limb here (no pun intended) there is no god. What answer is more believable?


I call 'foul' on the basis of the thread you've started is titled with the assumption that God does exist. If you wanted to debate whether God exists or not, the discussion needs to be on a thread that says "Does God exist?" or somesuch. You've began on the supposition here that he does and somehow have managed to take your own thread off-topic.



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by boaby_phet
the answer is fairly simple..

their is no god! ... i have yet to see any proof otherwise!


Foul again. The thread title is built under the assumption that God exists, else this would be a different debate about whether or not God exists. Let's stay on topic. Just because YOU haven't seen God does not mean God does not exist.

[edit on 25-11-2009 by saint4God]



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 04:26 PM
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Well I don't know. There was this one time God sent this cat named Jesus down that could heal people and even gave authority to a few of his friends to heal people too.

Didn't work very well. He raised a dead guy and healed a blind guy and the next thing you know everyone was pissed off and they crucified him. Also, they persecuted his friends too.

Apparently we don't like it when God comes down and tries to heal us either physically or spiritually. However, when the amputee gets to Heaven in just a short time I'm sure God will repair them.

I think the real question is why won't we let God heal amputees? Last time he tried, it didn't go over so well for him.

[edit on 25-11-2009 by tinfoilman]



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 04:28 PM
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That makes sense.



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by oliveoil
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I'm certain I could find a website that has historical references that green is blue. From what I've read Pinocchio grew a nose. I have faith you could do the same.


Your speaking to a colorist by trade who happens to be a Jewish Christian - I'll let the nose thing slide.


[edit on 25-11-2009 by oliveoil]


Truly sorry about that. You're a good sport. Peace my friend!



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by boaby_phet
can i just ask all the bible heads a small question.. as theirs no point trying to actualy talk in here , as it will just fet flames with more religious bullcrap!

"WHY IS IT SO IMPORTANT THAT THEIR IS A GOD TYPE FIGURE IN YOUR LIFE?? DO YOU ALL NEED SOMEONE TO FOLLOW OR SOMEONE TO BLAME?


Rather than "someone to follow or blame", maybe just looking for an answer to the fundamental question "what is the truth" and who can be trusted. Even if every Christian is despicable in your view and experience, doesn't necessary mean what they believe isn't true, right? So chill...we need each other and whatever time we have left to discuss these things before they pull the plug on us.



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 04:33 PM
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Originally posted by moocowman
I see, so does your god (if you have one) heal amputees ie regenerate limbs ?


He can. Whether He does or not is His decision.


Originally posted by moocowman
If so would you care to share any evidence of this may have of this.


I believe a specific example was already cited, but ignored.



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 04:37 PM
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again..it is not Gods fault people go spreading falsehoods about things being done in his name..You need to stop trying to blame God for all the bad in the world when it is our fault as human beings..we have ruined the earth..not God


dude I'm not blaming a guy in the sky, that would be silly when I find no evidence for it the jesus yahwehgod.

However, if your god is the creator of all that there is then it is responsible for all that there is. Unless of course there's another god responsible for all the bits in creation that your god is not responsible for.

Stop blaming people fro all that bad in the world, if they are created in your gods image.



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by reasonable
This is a big test right here.. does the religious right own ATS? We shall see.


Off topic, the thread has tripled due to splintering discussions. As the original poster, I am surprised you're not encouraging the guests to stay on topic. P.S. The answer to your question is "no".



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by templar knight
I'm happy to say that I have not read all the posting so far.

What I want to know - will God grow hair back on my bald patch? I suppose I should stop being a fundamentalist agnostic before he does this.


TK,

Be careful what you wish for. I got my hair back, it's just not where I wanted it. Maybe God does answer prayers but he's hard of hearing.



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by reasonable
Yeah some of them preach all about jesus on ATS but then use pornographic avatars. I know what you mean.


This is off topic. The title of the thread is "Why won't God heal amputees?". To this we should be addressing. If there's an issue with someone's avatar, that would be best addressed via U2U. As the host of this thread, it should be your responsibility above anyone else's here that it remains on topic. Otherwise you're using the mods to do your work for you...which isn't very nice. On to the actual topic please?



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by EMPIRE
Now assuming the god of the bible exists (notice I didn't say god of the Christians), could it be argued that the reason why amputees are not healed is due to no longer being involved in the welfare of humans?


Nah, the God of the Bible says He is with us always.


Originally posted by EMPIRE
In closing, the topic is very broad, generalized and should be specific as to which christians are being addressed. In addition, what does the bible say about the purpose of miracles?


That they are done for the glory of God. This is to say we receive benefit, but we're not the reason why.

[edit on 25-11-2009 by saint4God]



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by SassyCat
Some here think their brain and p**** are larger just because they call them selves atheists.


I think an apology is in order here. A sweeping stereotypical generalization about other people merely based on their beliefs is both unfair and inaccurate.



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by reasonable
A million can cure a brain tumor but surely it would take atleast 20 million to faith heal a amputee? It's all about revving up power levels.


The number isn't important, the plan of God is what's important. If it works against his plan, there would be no reason for Him to grant the request.




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