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reply posted on 25-11-2009 @ 06:10 PM by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by nerbot


If people would only learn to leave each other alone and let them believe as they will so long as they harm no one else the "endless" debate would end. I do agree with you that there will never be sufficient proof to end it as humanity has an inexhaustable ability to bend any information to fit his or her preconceptions.



reply posted on 25-11-2009 @ 06:27 PM by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
An episode of Futurama touches just this particular illogical argument superbly.
Plot
During a noisy space pirate attack, Bender—trying to find some peace and quiet in a torpedo tube—is launched into interstellar space beyond the reach of Fry and Leela. After an asteroid crashes into Bender, a civilization of tiny humanoids ("Shrimpkins") grows on him and worships him as a god. At first, Bender enjoys his new-found status, picking a prophet named Malakai and having Malakai bring "The One Commandment" ("God Needs Booze") from "Up High" (Bender's head) to the Shrimpkins, who brew what for them are vast quantities of "Lordweiser" beer. The Shrimpkins begin praying for rain, sun, and wealth, and Bender attempts to heed their prayers—failing and unintentionally harming the Shrimpkins in the process. Eventually, Malakai tells him that the Shrimpkins who migrated to his backside felt their prayers were unheeded and became atheists. The atheists threaten war with Bender's worshippers. Bender, aware that attempts to help the Shrimpkins so far only harmed them, refuses to intervene. The micro-civilization is destroyed when the Shrimpkin factions launch atomic weapons out of Bender's nuclear pile. Malakai remains faithful to Bender during the war and it saddens Bender when Malakai and his family are killed by a nuclear weapon.

Bender soon meets a cosmic entity who is alluded to be God and recounts his experiences. "God" notes that the best way to deal with worshippers is to use a light touch so they will neither lose hope nor become dependent on supernatural intervention, saying, "When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."

Meanwhile, Fry and Leela search for a way to locate Bender, which leads them to a sect of monks who use a radio telescope to search for God in space. Leela overpowers and locks up the pacifist monks and Fry spends the next three days searching for Bender. Fry finds "God" by accident, and "God" flings Bender back to Earth just as Fry and Leela are leaving the monastery, causing Leela to exclaim that "This is, by a wide margin, the least likely thing that has ever happened." Bender quickly recounts his tale ("First I was God, then I met God!") and Fry boasts they "climbed up a mountain and locked up some monks," which reminds Leela that they never let them out. Fry is reluctant to return to the monastery and claims that God will surely help them. Bender tells them that God cannot be counted on for anything, and demands they rescue the monks themselves. The camera zooms out from Earth, past planets, through space, and back to God, who chuckles and repeats his advice: "When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."

Wikipedia Entry: Futurama Godfellas

God: Bender, being God isn't easy. If you do too much, people get dependent on you, and if you do nothing, they lose hope. You have to use a light touch. Like a safecracker, or a pickpocket.
Bender: Or a guy who burns down a bar for the insurance money!
God: Yes, if you make it look like an electrical thing. When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.


And I got a kick out of when "God" didn't remember where Earth was when Bender asks him/it to send him back there.

[edit on 25-11-2009 by Watcher-In-The-Shadows]


reply posted on 25-11-2009 @ 06:40 PM by saint4God
Originally posted by zerbot565
zZzZzZzZzZzZzzzzzzzzzz, boring , next....


Apologies that my presence was thought to be for the purposes of entertainment. Pardon if there were any misguided expectations.

Originally posted by zerbot565
how many christians do you know that stone disobidient children or homosexuals ?

probobly non, that make 100% of the christians you know dont live by a law made to you by the christian god.


Keep reading, there's more than three books to the Bible. To know the Christian God, you'd have to know Christ and recall what he said about "you who is without sin cast the first stone..."

Originally posted by zerbot565
how many christians do you know that does not engage in festivities for 100days from xmass to easter ? probobly non


Easter isn't a Christian holiday/holyday, so that makes me as "1" and my household as "5". I'm unclear where you're getting the 100 days number.

Originally posted by zerbot565
i could go on making these contradictions christians live by in ignorant bliss


I'm listening.

Originally posted by zerbot565
and by judging your name i asume you to have missed the point of the "do not worship false icons" remark....


Why would you judge? Why would you assume? It sounds like neither is a correct assertion then, because I do not worship false idols.

Originally posted by zerbot565
but its ok, most christians are realy lost and im not judging them


In the last sentence you were judging me by my username choice. Why the sudden change?

Originally posted by zerbot565
for what they do or belive , i just belive its very hypocritical to say one thing and wave a book in someones face when not have read it or understood the context withinn nor its origins.


I've both read it a number of times as well as study the context. Why would you presume otherwise?

Originally posted by zerbot565
just because you belive in a god does not make you a christian it just makes you a theist


This is true, and is also the reason why I was careful with my words in calling myself a Christian.

Originally posted by zerbot565
and if you live by the christian god then when was the last time you stoned disobidient children ?


See answer above.

[edit on 25-11-2009 by saint4God]


reply posted on 25-11-2009 @ 07:03 PM by oliveoil
reply to post by saint4God


You mean the documented case where a boy loses his leg, prays to God, and his leg is restored.

here it is again.

en.wikipedia.org...



[edit on 25-11-2009 by oliveoil]



reply posted on 25-11-2009 @ 07:13 PM by Angus123
reply to post by Sparky63


"Miraculous healing took place in the first century along with other gifts of the spirit, but ended with the death of the apostles."

So what about all the supposed miracles that still take place?
Are they hoaxes? Simple wishful thinking when someone lucks out of say cancer or something?

I personally think that's the case, but many will argue that they still happen until they turn purple and pass out.

And to further the point... why did miracles end with the apostles and where in the bible does it say that? (Yes, I've read the entire thing more than once. Which is why I don't believe it anymore.)


reply posted on 25-11-2009 @ 07:17 PM by Angus123
Originally posted by AdmiralObamaGFOL
reply to post by reasonable


The overriding prayer of ALL Believers is THY WILL BE DONE. We are willing slaves, bought and paid for by the blood of our LORD and Master, Jesus Christ.

You tell responders to read the article, I suggest that you read the book of Job.

My brother was a drunken, godless atheist until he was broken and humbled after an accident that left him a paraplegic. He also prayed for healing that never came. He was also called to the alter of a "church" and told in front of a congregation by the preacher that he wasn't healed because he lacked faith! God instead told him that HIS grace was sufficient.

Now God uses my brother to inspire and lead others to Jesus through the joy and peace that he exhibits every day in his life. Can you begin to imagine having joy and peace through God after that? Yet, the single source of that joy and peace is JESUS CHRIST his LORD- the peace that passes all understanding comes from God alone. Lost people see it and are drawn to it. His tragedy here in this world has become a way to glorify the living God and accomplish His eternal purposes.

Our life here is but a vapor of the eternal lives that we will lead forever. A good parent knows what is best for his children. An eternal God certainly knows, and gives what is best for His children. Thank God that he has NOT answered all of my prayers!

I have reviewed your profile and now I have some words that i hope you will consider-

Repent of your sins for God's wrath is upon you. There is no peace for the wicked; neither here on earth, nor in eternity to come. You see this torment even now in your life and I am telling you the source- Repent and come to the cross. You will face a Holy God on the day of judgement for your refusal to accept God's free gift of salvation through Jesus Christ.

You are living your short time here on earth in utter darkness because the adversary of your soul has deceived you. You have an enemy whom you also do not know. He hates you and wants you to die in torment because you are made in the image of your Creator, whom he also hates. Eternal hell and torment will be your destiny unless you repent of your sins and come to the cross of Jesus.

You will likely ignore these words for now; but they will absolutely be on your mind as you take your last breath... and wonder in terror about what happens next.

Read these words and stop wondering- save your soul now friend, it hangs in the balance.


So if he had been healed it would have been a miracle. But since he wasn't it was just God's will. That's a nice little fail safe.


reply posted on 25-11-2009 @ 09:48 PM by pumpkinorange
reply to post by Angus123
To REPLY, God's Kingdom is not of "this world". Accord to the Bible, "this world" is managed by Satan until the end. For reasons, we cannot comprehend, God is glorified by what occurs on this Earth and what will occur in the end, accord to the Bible. Also accord to same, God is Spirit, not "Flesh", understand? THE PURPOSE OF JESUS' miracles and the prophets before him were for ONE reason and one reason alone....that is to AFFIRM and ATEST to their authority in speaking God's word. THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE MIRACLES. Get it?
Arguably there have been no "miracles" since then because the purpose of miracles is to affirm/atest to the person doign the miracle.
It would be far more interesting to debate this if some of you would read the Bible so you could argue from knowledge and not dislike of Christians, which is understandable, BUT irrelevant. God is beyond us...live with it.
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