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For this experiment, we need to find a deserving person who has had both of his legs amputated. For example, find a sincere, devout veteran of the Iraqi war, or a person who was involved in a tragic automobile accident.
Now create a prayer circle like the one created for Jeanna Giese. The job of this prayer circle is simple: pray to God to restore the amputated legs of this deserving person. I do not mean to pray for a team of renowned surgeons to somehow graft the legs of a cadaver onto the soldier, nor for a team of renowned scientists to craft mechanical legs for him. Pray that God spontaneously and miraculously restores the soldier's legs overnight, in the same way that God spontaneously and miraculously cured Jeanna Giese and Marilyn Hickey's mother.
If possible, get millions of people all over the planet to join the prayer circle and pray their most fervent prayers. Get millions of people praying in unison for a single miracle for this one deserving amputee. Then stand back and watch.
What is going to happen? Jesus clearly says that if you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer. He does not say it once -- he says it many times in many ways in the Bible.
And yet, even with millions of people praying, nothing will happen.
No matter how many people pray. No matter how sincere those people are. No matter how much they believe. No matter how devout and deserving the recipient. Nothing will happen. The legs will not regenerate. Prayer does not restore the severed limbs of amputees. You can electronically search through all the medical journals ever written -- there is no documented case of an amputated leg being restored spontaneously. And we know that God ignores the prayers of amputees through our own observations of the world around us. If God were answering the prayers of amputees to regenerate their lost limbs, we would be seeing amputated legs growing back every day.
Originally posted by Taskism
Because he designed reality to follow certain rules. A spontaneously generated leg would defeat those rules.
Originally posted by iamsupermanv2
reply to post by reasonable
if people have faith in a certain being, then let them have faith. it does not harm you.
Originally posted by saint4God
Ooh! An easy one. Thanks for the thread. It's already biblically answered:
"The man answered, "Now that is remarkable! You don't know where he comes from, yet he opened my eyes. We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly man who does his will. Nobody has ever heard of opening the eyes of a man born blind. If this man were not from God, he could do nothing."...
Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and when he found him, he said, "Do you believe in the Son of Man?"
"Who is he, sir?" the man asked. "Tell me so that I may believe in him."
Jesus said, "You have now seen him; in fact, he is the one speaking with you."
Then the man said, "Lord, I believe," and he worshiped him.
Jesus said, "For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind."
Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked, "What? Are we blind too?"
Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains." - John 9:30-41
Remember also that praying isn't commanding a servant to do your bidding, praying is asking God for us to do His.
[edit on 24-11-2009 by saint4God]
Originally posted by iamsupermanv2
reply to post by reasonable
you are missing my point in your effort to further project some sort of agenda..whatever it is.
first off..crusades were done politically under the religious guise....same as 9/11.
but i'll spell out my point for you:
if i am sitting here and say i believe that the desk in front of me is inhabited by the wood god. i choose to pray to it, to worship it. These actions do not hurt you. If I walk up to you and say "OMG I have GOT to tell you about this god i am worshiping" you can either indulge me, and participate in a RESPECTFUL discussion as to why you think I am retarded, or say " not thanks, i'm set" and walk away.
why prod at these people?
Originally posted by reasonable
That answers absolutely nothing.
Originally posted by reasonable
Are you trying to imply that amputees must be non-believers if their limbs will not regenerate from prayer?
Originally posted by Taskism
Because he designed reality to follow certain rules. A spontaneously generated leg would defeat those rules.
Originally posted by blupblup
Because he's a figment of peoples imagination?
Originally posted by Haydn_17
Because he would have to come back and land his spacecraft, along with his heavenly host (army) I belive jesus was an alien..