The God Number

Originally posted by mOjOm

that's a lifetime's worth of education in a tiny .gif, mojom.
nice.

Originally posted by billybob
that's a lifetime's worth of education in a tiny .gif, mojom.
nice.

Thanx billybob! I don't know if it deserves quite that much credit but I appreciate your comment.



My favorite is still from this post I made a long time ago.
www.abovetopsecret.com...


Flower of Life - Using Many Many Rings of Phi ratio



Faces and Creatures found within the Fractalized Rings

Originally posted by billybob

Originally posted by Leveller
Heh. Nothing beats Pi.

phi beats pi. pi is a closed system, phi open. just look. it's obvious.
i want phi pie. i bet it's infinitely delicious.

Because Pi is a closed system it is perfect. Phi, it is impossible to complete a phi spiral, it goes on and on. When our DNA produce these strict proportions, what ends these phi spirals, is a combination between a bunch of different constancts. Among them pi and epsilon. However Pi is the only perfect constant, an artist like Leonardo Da Vinci could draw a perfect circle in the sand or in the air without using any tools at all. However, to discribe it in numbers would be close to impossible. The main proportion of pi is 22:7 (or rather 3 or 21/7 infact), however, in order to complete the whole of pi as a number, we would need to minimise and minimise until there wasn't anything left to minimise. The cell is globular, from that single cell, all of the rest comes. The cell's shape is defined by Pi. The atoms are all globular, they are defined by Pi. The planets and the suns, well any liquid or semi liquid material, liquid also in the astronomical sense, well they're mostly globular in a vacuum, Pi. When you go further you will see that Phi is actually defined by Pi also. And I could go on about this lovely constant for ages. To the extent it is possible to love a number, I love Pi. The reason we cannot measure the complete Pi is due to our numerical system. Pi is a whole and complete proportion, the circle prooves it, but our numerals don't work on these constants. The base 10 system has it's flaws. It is no big problem to divide a stick into three pieces with the exact same length or weight. But it is impossible to proove it using decimals. You get an endless line of threes, continuing into eternity. We would really need to use different bases for different tasks. The same can be seen with the number seven. Divide any number by seven in the base ten system, and you get an endless line of six numbers repeating itself into eternity. And then we have Pi. I guess you could say that Epsilon and Phi is a computation between Pi and time and mass and energy. Einstein could possibly have explained it somehow. The point is nevertheless, that it is our numerical systems which limit our understanding of Creation. What if we simply needed to use two different dimentions to measure diagonals and circumferences.

Originally posted by StrangeLands

Originally posted by Nans DESMICHELS
140000/1260 = 111.11111111111111111111111111111111...

Uh, yes, that's true. But 144,000 (the number is your original quote) divided by 1260 is 114.28571428571428571428571428571 - not quite so impressive!

Yes, but the sequence 142857 have really interesting properties.
But first, I must tell you that I've started studying bible code and numbers in 1999. The first thing I've learn was about the value of 'pi'.

here it is : The hebrew alphabet got 22 letters, and It's written that God made the world with these 22 letters in 7 days. 22/7=3.142857142857142857

That's the way ancient people, before the invention of computers used to calculate approximatively the value of PI.


So, let's comeback to the weird properties of 142857...

142857 is like a key, i think it's the key of biblic code.

142857 + 142857 = 285714 (the same sequence)
142857 + 285714 = 428571 (again)
285714 + 285714 = 571428 (yet)
571428 + 285714 = 857142 (still)

I wont make it all, but you can in every ways, with the four operations *-+
/ and the 142857 sequence, the result will be the same sequence, but :

When you make :
857142 + 142857 = 999999

and after, if you try :
857142 + 285714 = 1142856 (Okay, it's not the same, but : 1-14285-6 >> )

You can also take :

142857142857 + 142857142857 = 285714285714

Etc..Etc...Etc... Infinitively, in exception of this case :

142857142857 + 857142857142 = 999999999999

...You see... Numbers in this sequence seem to be like the pieces of a puzzle :

142857 + 857142 = 999999
285714 + 714285 = 999999
428571 + 571428 = 999999

You see what I mean ?

A last comment :

It's interesting to notice the close relation between this ancient hebrew torah legend (God made the world in 7 days with the 22 letters of the Alphabet, and the sciences, physics and mathematics almost,but not only, who consider that the world is written in maths equations...)...

We don't know nothing about GOD and the creation. We think we learn, but in fact, we just always come back to the genesis..

[Edited on 23-5-2004 by Nans DESMICHELS]

Originally posted by Nans DESMICHELS
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So, let's comeback to the weird properties of 142857...

142857 is like a key, i think it's the key of biblic code.

142857 + 142857 = 285714 (the same sequence)
142857 + 285714 = 428571 (again)
285714 + 285714 = 571428 (yet)
571428 + 285714 = 857142 (still)

I wont make it all, but you can in every ways, with the four operations *-+
/ and the 142857 sequence, the result will be the same sequence, but :

When you make :
857142 + 142857 = 999999

and after, if you try :
857142 + 285714 = 1142856 (Okay, it's not the same, but : 1-14285-6 >> )

You can also take :

142857142857 + 142857142857 = 285714285714

Etc..Etc...Etc... Infinitively, in exception of this case :

142857142857 + 857142857142 = 999999999999

...You see... Numbers in this sequence seem to be like the pieces of a puzzle :

142857 + 857142 = 999999
285714 + 714285 = 999999
428571 + 571428 = 999999

[Edited on 23-5-2004 by Nans DESMICHELS]

that's sublime.

I believe in God, but no mathmatical equation will prove Him. He is above math, above logic, our mortal minds cannot and for now, will not concive even to the slightest degree what He is. The existance of God is above our maximum thought potential, it is beyond our brains limit to even imagine such a power.

So I know, that I dont know. And I will beieve forever.

God Bless you all.

Originally posted by billybob

Originally posted by Nans DESMICHELS
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So, let's comeback to the weird properties of 142857...

142857 is like a key, i think it's the key of biblic code. 142857 + 857142 = 999999

285714 + 714285 = 999999
428571 + 571428 = 999999

[Edited on 23-5-2004 by Nans DESMICHELS]

that's sublime.

Sure, but I don't know what to do with this......7 is the perfect number...

[Edited on 25-5-2004 by Nans DESMICHELS]

Well the thing is that when you divide any number with the number seven, you get those same numbers up, unless of course, you get a whole number, or you haven't broken it down enough. Notice how if you pair the decimals, they are all dividable with seven. See? And there is even more about the number seven aswell. Truely a fascinating number.

[Edited on 25-5-2004 by Camelop�rdalis]

The number 144000 also has some quite magnifficent properties. Remember that 144,000 years is what is called a grand cycle. Anyway, if you divide the nember with either 111, 222, 333, 444, 555, 666, 888 or 999 you get something of the same as when dividing with seven, but instead of clusters of six, you get clusters of three, all repeating themselves over and over:

111: 1297,2972972972972972972972972973
222: 648,64864864864864864864864864865
333: 432,43243243243243243243243243243
444: 324,32432432432432432432432432432
555: 259,45945945945945945945945945946
666: 216,21621621621621621621621621622
888: 162,16216216216216216216216216216
999: 144,14414414414414414414414414414

But when you divide 144,000 with 777, something completely different happens:

777: 185,32818532818532818532818532819

You get clusters of sixes just like with the number seven. Only this time 328 sneeks in for some reason. And if then pair the decimals and divide them by seven, watch what happens. Nans, you'll just love this:

32/7=4,5714285714285714285714285714286
81/7=11,571428571428571428571428571429
85/7=12,142857142857142857142857142857

It's the exact same numbers as in the regular seven system.

Is that a synonym for "unemployed"?

"...he currently serves as the Executive Director of Renaissance III, Inc., Chief Tutor/Instructor in the fields of Civics, Political, Social, Economic and Spiritual studies at the House of Osiris -- Learning and Re-Creation Center. The Learning and Re-Creation Center is funded, primarily by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)...

...Mr. Sneed is also a Presidential Appointee, serving on the Presidential Advisory Council on HIV/AIDS (PACHA) and has recently been selected to serve as a voting delegate to the Texas State Republican Party Convention for 2004 as a representative from the 30th Congressional District."

[Edited on 25-5-2004 by d1k]

Sunat Kumara is said to return with 144000 followers, if I am correct.

I have never been a fan of sementics, numerology, just one big circle ended up with the same conclusions, those which your hear desires the most.

Deep

Originally posted by Camelop�rdalis
The number 144000 also has some quite magnifficent properties. Remember that 144,000 years is what is called a grand cycle. Anyway, if you divide the nember with either 111, 222, 333, 444, 555, 666, 888 or 999 you get something of the same as when dividing with seven, but instead of clusters of six, you get clusters of three, all repeating themselves over and over:

111: 1297,2972972972972972972972972973
222: 648,64864864864864864864864864865
333: 432,43243243243243243243243243243
444: 324,32432432432432432432432432432
555: 259,45945945945945945945945945946
666: 216,21621621621621621621621621622
888: 162,16216216216216216216216216216
999: 144,14414414414414414414414414414

But when you divide 144,000 with 777, something completely different happens:

777: 185,32818532818532818532818532819

You get clusters of sixes just like with the number seven. Only this time 328 sneeks in for some reason. And if then pair the decimals and divide them by seven, watch what happens. Nans, you'll just love this:

32/7=4,5714285714285714285714285714286
81/7=11,571428571428571428571428571429
85/7=12,142857142857142857142857142857

It's the exact same numbers as in the regular seven system.

Of course... Numbers in the Bible haven't been chosen by accident but to reveal us something...

[Edited on 26-5-2004 by Nans DESMICHELS]

Originally posted by Camelop�rdalis
With that transliteration of the tetragrammaton you actually get 36 in most European alfabets when you count only consonants: 7+6+17+6=36

You people really are trying to kill me aren't you? How in the world do you justify using European alphabets for this when the word was originally written in Hebrew? Forgive me if I'm off track here, but doesn't that have a little something to do with why you don't have the same answer?

Now as for the whole gays and god thing- I encourage input on the subject from anyone who can produce evidence, preferably in the form of a signed and notarized statement from a real and verifiable God. I encourage deafening silence from everyone else. Gays can do whatever they like- they just can't do it with me. So yeah, thats great, compare yourselves to God. I'm sure God likes hearing that sorta crap from puny mortals. Peronally I'd have a special type of lightning bolt reserved strictly for people who compared themselves to Me, if I were Him.

Last thing- who was it that suggested this guys purpose was to give ammo to Christian appologists? I doubt this guy is welcome in any mainstream Christian church that knows who he is, especially considering his affiliation with a group named for Osiris. (The church I grew up in would lynch a gay man who helped blacks in the name of Osiris). Besides, Christian appologists have this really nifty story about filling Texas several feet deep with silver dollars. When I was more pious I knew how that illustration went, but now I just sorta get caught up in the idea of all that money. The point though is that Christians have so many silver dollars that they don't need logic, let alone logic from a homosexual pagan. (In all seriousness, Christian apologetics can be very compelling, provided it's not the sort that assumes the bible is the source of incorruptable truth. They don't need this guy.)

Originally posted by The Vagabond

You people really are trying to kill me aren't you? How in the world do you justify using European alphabets for this when the word was originally written in Hebrew? Forgive me if I'm off track here, but doesn't that have a little something to do with why you don't have the same answer?

perhaps everything has been anticipated. we are talking 'god' here. if codes are woven through the very fabric of reality, our puny understanding of it(reality) doesn't mean they(codes) don't exist., or that they don't span languages and time.
ever been to 'legoland'? it looks like a dinosaur, or a person, or lunar module, but it is just a pile of building blocks. without analysing the individual blocks, there is no understanding of legoland. it is an illusion.
so, it might be with these codes, they are in all languages, because language is built from them, and not vice-versa.

Originally posted by The VagabondNow as for the whole gays and god thing-

huh? what's that got to do with numbers? numbers are gay?
wrong thread. try 'was jesus a homosexual?" or " if being gay is alright in the eyes of god, then...".

nobody here is trying to kill you(i'm honestly guessing on this one).
stay paranoid, though. it's healthy.

MoJoM,

I don't have enought time actually, but, you should try also something with

TAN-COS in two dimension.

I've wrote a long time ago a small basic program to get this.

It was something like :

For q=1 to 1260
x=COS(q)
y=SIN(q)
Next

But it was something like that but it was not only that. And I'm sorry, I don't have enought time today to search in my old Basics books and also M$win-XP sucks and don't have any QBASIC or GW-Basic.

Originally posted by The Vagabond

Originally posted by Camelop�rdalis
With that transliteration of the tetragrammaton you actually get 36 in most European alfabets when you count only consonants: 7+6+17+6=36

You people really are trying to kill me aren't you? How in the world do you justify using European alphabets for this when the word was originally written in Hebrew? Forgive me if I'm off track here, but doesn't that have a little something to do with why you don't have the same answer?

I am not justifying anything here. I was just correcting some rather strange calculations made by some guy earlier in the thread. And also showed how the Romans have made the alfabet such that the gematria of the Tetragrammaton equals the Morningstar cycle, which is quite interresting. The Tetragrammaton is but the first two and the last two letters or syllables in the Name of God, which is actually connected to astrology rather than a person. But, mind you, NOT the Zodiak. That would be Ba'al and his Name of the Beast, the antiversion of the Name of God.

After all I did say in my post: With that transliteration of the tetragrammaton . To transliterate means to "translate" letters and syllables, how to write foreign letters and sounds etc.

[Edited on 28-5-2004 by Camelop�rdalis]

As for the systems you see, Nans, every prime number has their own little rules and personalities. It's not really strange that certain proportions follow strict patterns like these, it's mostly like resonans and harmony with different tones. Some tones sound better than others. The number 11 also has interrseting properties, so does 13 and 17, 19 and 23 and so on. Most of it has to do with the base 10 system. A weakness you might say. Like how it is impossible to write 10/3 with decimals. 3 is also a prime.

I was doing some maths earlier and realized this:
Phi is (1+SQRT 5 )/2
If you take the negative, e.g. (1-SQRT 5)/2, you get the negative reciprical of Phi!
another strange property of the number

I consider myself as being a Christian, and proud to be, but I'll always doubt of any so-called undeniable proof of God`s existence... at least until the End of Times and the Revelation.

No one ever found the proof, and no one ever will. God will reveal himself at the appropriate time, in the end. That will be the one and only proof.

Originally posted by d1k
...Mr. Sneed is also a Presidential Appointee, serving on the Presidential Advisory Council on HIV/AIDS (PACHA) and has recently been selected to serve as a voting delegate to the Texas State Republican Party Convention for 2004 as a representative from the 30th Congressional District."
[Edited on 25-5-2004 by d1k]

Good GRIEF!

Firsts it's the the bible bashing doctor on the FDA, and now you've got another Christian nut-case on the HIV/AIDS Advisory Council!

I'm not sure what the Christian equivalent of Sharia Law is, but you Americans look like you'll be finding out soon enough!