At Least 7 Dead, 12 Wounded in Shooting at Ft. Hood in Texas

The local self-appointed defense teams for unjustly accused Muslim Americans have a lot of work ahead of them.

Rage is all the rage these days.

btw Google is the best way to find out who is carrying a reported story.

www.wham1180.com...

A Rochester man is facing numerous charges, accused of trying to run down people with his car on Thursday afternoon.

Police say they were flagged down by people in southwest Rochester, at a parking lot in front of 700 S. Plymouth Avenue. They say the driver of a Nissan Maxima had struck another car as well as several pedestrians.

The officer tried to pull the vehicle over, but the suspect's car then hit the police cruiser and kept going. Eventually, the Maxima struck a resident's car at Jefferson Avenue and W. Main and then hit a second police car at Jefferson and Clifton. The chase eventually ended on South Plymouth near Genesee where the suspect hit another resident's car.

Altogether, seven people, including the suspect were taken to the hospital for minor injuries, but police spokesman LaRon Singletary says it could have been a lot worse...

"The officer Jeff Schroeder was in the right place at the right time, you look at the hour it happened two oclock, school is letting out, it's a miracle no casualties happened given the way this individual was driving."

The suspect is identified as 27 year old Munir Muthana of Rochester. He faces numerous charges including assault and vehicular assault. there's no other word right now on a possible motive.

M

Originally posted by Night Watchman
Seriously, these amateur terrorists are making the professionals (like AQ) look bad. How long before OBL sends out cease and desist orders to these guys for harming the AQ Brand.

Hahahahahha. Really, they will have to refer these guys to the quality control department and give them a public image make over.

OBL is dead, any orders are coming from goathead Zawihiri, if he's still around since the laser got him in Indonesia on Tuesday. oopsie. The orders come from Saudi anyway and they have millions in line to be in the AQ ranks.

Khomeni gave a personal order the day before Ft Hood shooter took aim. He called all muslims to fard ayn. Then there were the Iranian sanctions put in place yesterday. So looks like the party is on.

[edit on 13-11-2009 by JJay55]

[edit on 13-11-2009 by JJay55]

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Road Rage happens to be nothing new to people living in big cities like Los Angeles, the D.C. Metro area or Miami.

I have been lucky enough to live in all 3 of the cities with the highest incident rates of road rage and longest rush hour commute times per mile in that precise order.

Some of the people who live in these cities are from other countries, some of them aren't Christian!

It's a pretty desperate tie in Michael when the police claim they have no motive for a Road Rage crime but you do simply based on their name and what you imagine their religion to be based on that name.

But hey I grant you this ranks right up there with New Jersey Rabbis under Federal indictment for illegal International Organ Trafficking.

Oh no there is that International word again. Now do you figure that the New Jersey Rabbi was doing this for political purposes, religious purposes, purely for profit or all of the above?

By the way I find riding my bicycle on sidewalks to be very safe. It makes it kind of hard to tail me too!

Best yet with my safety bell, battery powered head lights and tail lights and matching color coordinated helmet there is not one code violation in the world the police can stop me for or ticket me for!

Automobiles are clearly dangerous things and frankly while I see no tie in to Islamic terrorism here I do see a strong case for outlawing cars and reducing that dependence on foreign oil!

I wonder who really profits most off of our dependence on foreign oil the Arabs or Israel? It would seem to me if we had no economic interests in the Middle East we would have no interest at all in the Middle East!

Originally posted by JJay55

Originally posted by Donny 4 million
Perhaps one day you will be brought to trial and your jury will be your enemies.
Ah!, maybe they will skip the trial.
There is something fundamentally indecent about folk that blabber---
GUILTY until proven INNOCENT, Really indecent,ugly, sick.

Let's just name a few. Daniel Pearl, Nick Berg, poor guys lost their heads.

I do not find the loss of their lives in any way trivial.
Please remind me in which American Court they were tried in???

Originally posted by JJay55

Khomeni gave a personal order the day before Ft Hood shooter took aim. He called all muslims to fard ayn. Then there were the Iranian sanctions put in place yesterday. So looks like the party is on.

Khomeini died on 3 Jun 1989. Here is a link to a picture of his tomb:
Tomb of Khomeini

He doesn't give many "personal orders" these days. Death is a blissful retirement from such things.

Any muslim that has to be CALLED to fard al-ayn isn't anything to worry about, since such individuals are clearly not "self-starters", and lack initiative to carry out any sort of "attack". Fard al-ayn are individual religious obligations that are LIVED by practicing muslims, not some nefarious plot to kill white folks.

I could understand if you just hadn't got the memo on it, but you've been told, clearly and concisely, nearly a gozillion times just in this thread, and yet continue to ignore that.

That's an EXTREMELY clear indicator that your entire purpose here is to misinform, misdirect, and promote an agenda of lies and deception, intent on enslaving the American public ultimately.

If that were not the case, you would be concentrating on actual threats, and promoting FACTUAL understanding of the situation, rather than trying to dilute the focus on terrorists to include all muslims.

Your entire purpose is to dilute the concentration of force on valid targets, and redirect attention away from them to harmless targets, so that the nefarious may continue their work.

You are here to assist terrorists, not oppose them.

You are no better than Hassan.

Originally posted by mmiichael
The local self-appointed defense teams for unjustly accused Muslim Americans have a lot of work ahead of them.

You are trying to start a racist witch-hunt. Why don't you just make it clear that your problem isn't with extremist murderers, but with Muslims? You keep dancing around it like we can't read into your words and sentiments but I don't see how you can be any more clear when you make statements like this.

I want to see you ranting and raving about automobile deaths and deaths by lightning strikes. They are a much greater threat to our "national security." Obama's escort could have a seizure behind the wheel and drive off of a cliff, oh no!!!

Or he could be standing in his back yard and be struck by lightning!

[edit on 13-11-2009 by bsbray11]

Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by mmiichael
The local self-appointed defense teams for unjustly accused Muslim Americans have a lot of work ahead of them.

You are trying to start a racist witch-hunt. Why don't you just make it clear that your problem isn't with extremist murderers, but with Muslims? You keep dancing around it like we can't read into your words and sentiments but I don't see how you can be any more clear when you make statements like this.

I want to see you ranting and raving about automobile deaths and deaths by lightning strikes. They are a much greater threat to our "national security." Obama's escort could have a seizure behind the wheel and drive off of a cliff, oh no!!!

Or he could be standing in his back yard and be struck by lightning!

This raving doesn't justify addressing. Grounded ATS members on 9/11 threads have demonstrated responding to these well-worn Truther tactics that attempts to impugn motives on the messenger are a waste of time.

Your problems should be seen as difficulties with outside world hard realities not the people on this board who draw attention to them. Lunatic fringe conspiracy persecution rantings trying to pass for dialect may be the norm around here but shouldn't be mistaken for anything else.

An increasing number of Americans have been murdered in the name of Islam right on their home turf. 9/11 was just the deadliest attack. Now it's been franchised to less detectable smaller scale freelance operations.

This murder spree is a matter of who killed who. We have the answer. All the outraged indignation, aggressive denials and pseudo-intellectual deflections from the "9/11 was an government inside job" and ever popular "Jews did 9/11" mob will not change that.

I anticipate many more pages of this type of sputtering histrionics. Some people think seeing something they desperately want to believe in type on a screen somehow gives it some weight.


M

[edit on 13-11-2009 by mmiichael]

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An increasing number of Americans have been murdered in the name of Islam right on their home turf. 9/11 was just the deadliest attack. Now it's been franchised to less detectable smaller scale freelance operations.

This has absolutely never been constitutionally proven in a Court of Law! It is a blanket and potentially deadly assumption that may have allowed the true perpetrators of the most heinous crime to ever occur on American soil to go absolutely free.

However the day when these alleged radical Muslim conspirators have their long criminally overdue date in court is fast approaching.

What kind of terrorist sympathizer would use the word alleged you are likely to rhetorically ask, only the highest ranking law enforcement officer in the United States of America none other than Attorney General Eric Holder when announcing that suspects will soon be moved to New York city to face trial in the Federal Courts.

I guess the United States Attorney General is one of those raving lunatic conspiracy theorists too you are constantly ranting about huh Michael?

``They will be brought to New York -- to New York -- to answer to their alleged crimes in a courtroom just blocks away from where the Twin Towers once stood,'' Holder said.

Miami Herald.com

I do tend to wonder what is more circumspect citizens of a foreign nation such as yourself who are constantly promoting Israeli/Zionist politics and telling Americans how they should think in regards to their own domestic policies and crisis and deriding them for questioning events and not agreeing with you...or critically minded people who do intelligently question events as well as motives.

American troops stationed in Saudi Arabia, Kuwaiit, Iraq, the United Arab Emirates and Afghanistan aren't all that far from Israel are they Michael.

Should the real truth ever be known?

I think the world would have been far better served addressing the Israeli illegal nuclear weapons rather than the imagined notion Iran is developing them and means to use them.

Divide and conquer, divide and conquer and frankly I am suspicious of any foreigner who seeks to divide America, especially when they have an agenda that is served by doing just that.



[edit on 13/11/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

Khomeini in fact is dead.

But Khomeni is still living.

Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by mmiichael
The local self-appointed defense teams for unjustly accused Muslim Americans have a lot of work ahead of them.

You are trying to start a racist witch-hunt. Why don't you just make it clear that your problem isn't with extremist murderers, but with Muslims? You keep dancing around it like we can't read into your words and sentiments but I don't see how you can be any more clear when you make statements like this.

That's the thing that pisses me off.

Instead of dancing around these people should make it clear that they hate everyone that stands under the umbrella of islam and muslims should all be nuked.

Atleast JJay is brave enough to do that.

Originally posted by Udo Hohnekamp Lux.
Khomeini in fact is dead.

But Khomeni is still living.

What??

Where is he?

Originally posted by merkava
That's the thing that pisses me off.

Instead of dancing around these people should make it clear that they hate everyone that stands under the umbrella of islam and muslims should all be nuked.

Atleast JJay is brave enough to do that.

Agreed.

If someone is harboring ill feelings against all Muslims, and wants to see vengeance against all Muslims, they are no better than the extremists they are complaining about. In fact they are the exact same: extremists. And the US media is TRYING to fashion extremists out of stupider Americans that are oblivious to how they pull media strings and all the rest.

The very least such a person could do, would be to have the nerve to admit as such without blanketing it in rant after rant about how Muslims are becoming increasingly extremist and a threat to us and we should do something about it.


At least I am making myself clear: I will sooner do something about the anti-Muslim extremists/racists here than I will pit myself against an entire race of ANYBODY.


For every normal, everyday Muslim I see in daily reality, I come across 10 or 20 stupid Americans wanting to kill them all. Turn the Mid-East into a "parking lot." No, I will turn THOSE people into a parking lot first!



Edit to add I was also raised around people racist towards black people. I know what racism is. I know how it is "disguised." I know what it "smells" like. This is pure racism against Muslims here. Make no mistake about it. The threat is EXTREMELY over-exaggerated, for the sake of pure racist attitudes.

[edit on 13-11-2009 by bsbray11]

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

I do tend to wonder what is more circumspect citizens of a foreign nation such as yourself who are constantly promoting Israeli/Zionist politics and telling Americans how they should think in regards to their own domestic policies and crisis and deriding them for questioning events and not agreeing with you...or critically minded people who do intelligently question events as well as motives.

American troops stationed in Saudi Arabia, Kuwaiit, Iraq, the United Arab Emirates and Afghanistan aren't all that far from Israel are they Michael.

Should the real truth ever be known?

I think the world would have been served addressing the Israeli illegal nuclear weapons rather than the imagined notion Iran is developing them and means to use them.

Divide and conquer, divide and conquer and frankly I am suspicious of any foreigner who seeks to divide America, especially when they have an agenda that is served by doing just that.

An army psychiatrist major shot over a dozen people at a US army base a week ago. He was a self-declared devout Muslim who advocated the killing of innocents as a justifiable means to political ends. 93% of Americans polled see this crime as an act of terrorism.

America is not so divided. The more thinking members who are in decision making positions, for the most part, see through incessant apologist and deflective rhetoric. Things like "Jews did 9/11" maliciousness are relegated to fringe sites, Youtube, conspiracy forums for that reason.

Agenda driven dot-connecting has it's limits and it's limited market. Kids and delayed adolescents with axes to grind trying to inflate themselves as holders of the "Real Truths".

Typing skills do not impute analytical skills or wisdom. The same disinformation typed a thousand times does not change it's nature. Though some would like to think so.



M


[edit on 13-11-2009 by mmiichael]

Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by merkava

For every normal, everyday Muslim I see in daily reality, I come across 10 or 20 stupid Americans wanting to kill them all. Turn the Mid-East into a "parking lot." No, I will turn THOSE people into a parking lot first!

Or maybe we should ship all the extremists to an island and give them all the nukes they want.

Than they can decide who the 'Chosen Ones' are among themselves.

[edit on 13-11-2009 by merkava]

Originally posted by mmiichael
America is not so divided. The more thinking members mostly see through this kind of apologist and deflective rhetoric.

No surprise that you would align yourself with the "more thinking members" in your own head as you spew racist attitudes.

Racists do have a very hard time coming to the realization that they are the problem, not the entire race they hate and want to see destroyed.

"Jews did 9/11" maliciousness is relegated to fringe sites, Youtube, conspiracy forums for that reason.

First of all, "Jews did 9/11" is a completely off generalization and more importantly has nothing at all to do with your racism towards Muslims. Secondly, All of those places are swamped with such material because it has proportional representation in "real life." In fact, since you apparently oblivious to the fact, YouTube is used by real people, with real bodies sitting in real countries and have real votes when it comes to politics/government. YouTube is "real life." Ask any telecommunications engineer, who has to work to keep the systems up.

To say this stuff is only on the internet and not anywhere else is completely asinine. My entire family and the great majority of my friends know 9/11 was an inside job. But then again, I do get out of my basement on a daily basis. People know the war on terror is a corporate-driven farce to make money for the military. They just don't much like talking about it, because it hurts.

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Reported today that Fort Hood shooter is paralyzed from waist down and has severe pain in his hands.

I hope his nurses are addicts and switch his pain pills out for aspirin and his pain shots with saline.

www.cnn.com...

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The point being Michael as a non-citizen of the United States who’s first and foremost concern is Israel and Zionist politics where exactly can you demonstrate an un-biased basis to make your blatantly self serving opinions anything more than a blatantly self serving opinion.

Whether it’s a CNN video of an Osama Bin Laden look alike or a YouTube video featuring the infamous dancing Jews celebrating with the smoldering New York Skyline in the background as they dance atop their work van before being held nearly two months in Federal Custody one thing remains the same…

There have been no Constitutional Trials even in absentia where the United States Government has actually had to present actual evidence that can be held up to legal scrutiny by people constitutionally empowered to critique it and analyze it and prove or disprove that evidence’s or lack there of validity.

Isn’t it amazing that not one citizen has been constitutionally empowered to hold our government to account to prove it’s case but you a foreign citizen feel empowered to criticize any and all who don’t uphold the government’s unproven version of events.

A government that has dragged it’s feet and done everything humanly possible to keep any piece of evidence or any accused or alleged conspirator from seeing the inside of a court room for almost a decade now?

You want to question Americans who question what happened to the constitutional requirement for a timely and speedy trial.

You want to question Americans who have never been granted their constitutional right to know the facts via a trial when individuals are accused of a crime on American soil?

And you want to do that as a Canadian Citizen and a self professed Zionist and Jew?

Alright then, I told you months ago Michael that eventually these tactics would backfire on the Zionists.

Americans deserve to know the truth, and real Americans will never be satisfied with anything less than the truth, and real Americans have real constitutional standards and principles they will NEVER abandon in their quest to uncover it and know it.

No amount of racist intimidation, double speaks, political correctness and coined phrases will overcome these cherished principles that some of us don’t just adhere to but consider it our own sworn duty to see that they are adhered too.

American citizens have a responsibility to their Constitution, to their nation, to its principals and ways of life and frankly sir where do you get off as a Canadian questioning that, deriding that, and making it seem through your own turn of the phrase inherently wrong as opposed to the very inherently noble and American thing it truly is.

Originally posted by bsbray11
"Jews did 9/11" maliciousness is relegated to fringe sites, Youtube, conspiracy forums for that reason.

First of all, "Jews did 9/11" is a completely off generalization and more importantly has nothing at all to do with your racism towards Muslims. Secondly, All of those places are swamped with such material because it has proportional representation in "real life." In fact, since you apparently oblivious to the fact, YouTube is used by real people, with real bodies sitting in real countries and have real votes when it comes to politics/government. YouTube is "real life." Ask any telecommunications engineer, who has to work to keep the systems up.

To say this stuff is only on the internet and not anywhere else is completely asinine. My entire family and the great majority of my friends know 9/11 was an inside job. But then again, I do get out of my basement on a daily basis. People know the war on terror is a corporate-driven farce to make money for the military. They just don't much like talking about it, because it hurts.


I take into account analysis and criticism from people I respect. Your dishonest attempts to impute me with things I neither say nor feel are simply false.

Were they from a source other than a ranting conspiracy site troll I might be offended.


M

Originally posted by mmiichael
I take into account analysis and criticism from people I respect.

That's a shame, because I don't think you're going to learn much of value from other racists.


The way you always argue pro-US federal government, I would've sworn you lived in some back part of the states. But you're NOT an American? What in the hell are you doing putting on like you have anything to do with politics or daily life here anyway?

So what other countries brainwash their citizens into pushing this same kind of crap, that aren't American.... I would guess you must either be British, Australian, or Israeli. How off am I?

Originally posted by Donny 4 million

Perhaps one day you will be brought to trial and your jury will be your enemies.
Ah!, maybe they will skip the trial.
There is something fundamentally indecent about folk that blabber---
GUILTY until proven INNOCENT, Really indecent,ugly, sick.

It's very likely that, if someday I am seen by multiple eyewitnesses killing innocent people, I would go on trial. And I would deserve it.

By the way, do you understand what the term, "innocent until proven guilty," SPECIFICALLY refers to? Our justice system and I fully support that. IN THE JUSTICE SYSTEM.

It was never intended to extend to public or private discourse. We are all free to form our own opinions. Some of us choose to do that based on eyewitness reports of the people who were there. Others wish to grasp onto the first, confused reports in the immediate aftermath of an horrific shooting and ignore the actual eyewitness reports.

Based on the reports of EVERY SINGLE witness I have seen interviewed, this scum was the cold blooded murderer. He will have his day in court and his fair trial. Just as it should be.

That doesn't stop intelligent people from developing informed opinions in the meantime.