Originally posted by Hack28
I read a similar thread this morning, i have to admit this is my first ever exposure to this Reptillian concept. I have heard about it but truthfully never gave enough credence to the opinion to look into further. I guess my biggest compliment can be to ATS that allows me to find more information freely.
I watched a few videos and read alot of varying opinions, the first video i saw was of eyes changing or rolling in the head quickly. I have to say i had a similar feelin to that of the first time i was being exposed to 9/11 truths. I was seeing things with my own eyes that went against my internal logic of comprehension. Just as with the 9/11 crowd and any other crowd on the planet there are pure nut jobs all the way through to distinguished scholars. I cant say im a believer, but i wont be another person who adimantly denies the possibilities, for i strongly believe in quantum mechanics and however unlikely it is it is not impossible.
Thanks to everyone for both sides of the debate, regardless of the opinions to me it is the hunt for truths that makes all this fun.

Yeah. That was my thread you commented on. It's been removed because I posted links to other sites. I didn't know that I couldn't do that.

Ok i am going to say this again for the 10000 time.

We have a hard enough time trying to prove aliens may or not exist.
So let's make them Shapeshifter's...like vampire werewolf's. lol

Give it a break ..If there is aliens they won;t be to much different than us..
and not our imagination running wild from a lifetime of movie's.

Originally posted by IX-777
WalterRatlos:

Apparently you either missed some of my posts in this thread or you did not read them properly, as I already explained most of the questions you ask.

Trust me, I have read your post carefully, I have quoted relevent parts in my previous reply to you and I have commented them. If you cannot accept those comments or believe that I misunderstood what you wrote, please, feel free to explain your thoughts further.

Originally posted by IX-777
Or perhaps you should read the full posts before quoting and asking about what you quote, as some of the question you ask in the first quotes are answered in later quotes from the very same post.

I did read the full post, see above. Ok, help me out here, maybe I don't understand what you are saying, because you are not saying it in an understandable way? At least not for me ...

Originally posted by IX-777
But to be kind I will summarize quickly the answers to what you ask:

I know because I am involved with similar things myself, and I have practiced related things personally for close to 2 decades. I am member of societies and orders where it is practiced. I have seen and experienced such things. Reptilians are non-human enities in human bodies, thus the true form can be perceived by psychic means. Haullcinations are not part of anything mentioned by me here, as these things can be verified and have been. Outside observers not involved are some whom have been able to verify such.

Verified by whom, when, where? Provide me with a trusted source and I'll oblige to go look at it. And yes, it has to be a mainstream scientific site, everything else is pointless to me. And you know hallucinations are very, very real to the person who experiences them. So, if I, for example, would hallucinate that evil aliens abducted me, this hallucination would be a very real experience to me. And no, I don't feel that you have really addressed any of my questions -except for the 2 decades member of elite secret societies stuff- (and it's late and I'm tired and I'll not go back to repeat them all). On the contrary, I feel that you just have graciously dodged them, but, hey, it's your right to do so and who am I to tell you otherwise. Just don't expect me to take you serious. You know maybe you should have quoted all my questions and answered them below the quote, to show and to prove for everybody to see that I apparently just skimmed over your post and came up with a bunch of nonsensical questions that were already answered in later parts of your initial post. In conclusion, I can assure you that I never post on impulse and before reading the post I'm replying to carefully and fully.

Originally posted by WalterRatlos
Verified by whom, when, where? Provide me with a trusted source and I'll oblige to go look at it. And yes, it has to be a mainstream scientific site, everything else is pointless to me.

Dude, this is a conspiracy site. A skunkworks section of a conspiracy site. And a thread about shapeshifting reptilians.

If you're only into mainstream scientific stuff then you are really, really in the wrong place.
And I do believe that Skunkworks is expressly for speculative subjects, even by conspiracy standards so why do people continuously ask for hard, scientific proof?

And do people really expect to get independently verifiable info about someones membership status in a SECRET order???

NewBornStarWatcher:

There are always ways to meet any entity. If you want to meet a reptilian being I suggest using spirit travel, meditation, channeling - as they are as mentioned interdimensional spiritual entities and thus this would be the easiest way to contact them. Ouija boards could work too, as would pendulums, and other instruments, but they are not as trustable and direct contact through methods such as astral projection.

Unity_99: No I have not heard of any Olodeon, nor have I ever seen any "confederation" - if you are talking about matters such as the Galactic Federation and such. To my knowledge there are no physical alien belevont beings wathcing over Earth, and we are here on our own and must use our own abilities to help ourselves. Certainly we can get some assistance from other beings, mainly through teachings on how to live and what to practice to get towards harmony and inner balance, but direct physical assistance from any beings do not seem probable. Not from my knowledge and involvement with such things in any case.

I am somewhat familiar with Tau Ceti, but not in a degree enough to say much about it, I prefer to speak of things I know directly of and not things I am not experienced with.

Cigar shaped crafts have been observed for aeons, or at least centuries. Personally I have never witnessed one, but I have witnessed up close other types of crafts. So far, I have never seen any evidence of non-earthly intelligence operating these crafts - except for in a few cases where spiritual entities , in interdimensional forms, temporarily manifest themselves in a physically visible way. In other cases they are observed by psychic vision from specific people whom have an active astral sight.

There are to my knowledge no "commanders" of the Great White Brotherhood in physical form currently on Earth, though there are institutions and organizations put in place on Earth by Ascended masters, to spread their teachings here on the physical plane. Some of this work is carried out through organizations and orders like the Theosophical Society and the Rosicrucian Order among others - though through time there has been some corruption and perversation within the structure of such organizations, as it always happens on Earth. But as of now, these two organizations are the purest in form to the true teachings as far as I am aware of.

oconnection:

Astral projeciton is probably the most important experience a person can have and learn to do by will during his physical life as it will give him the knowledge and experience of his true spiritual self, understanding of life and death, and the very nature of our multidimensional existence including explanations of many of the paranormal phenomenas from aliens to ghosts to telepathy to healing and so on. I recommend everyone to truly practice and experiment with astral projection themselves, regardless if they believe in its reality or not - it is a accepted phenomena by the medical community, even though the reality of it is not completely understood, so it is indeed a real experience no matter if you consider it a "hallucination" or "true separation of the body" - by practice and experience you will find out the answer to these questions by time in any case. And why not get familiar with what possibly awaits you after physical death, so you know what to expect, and how to navigate the afterlife?

Protoplasmic Traveler:
Actually the physical body does like the astral projection experience - it is your mind that may hinder the process due to fear or negative belief. This is simply proven by the fact that those whom consider astral projection a natural thing which they frequently do, have great joy and no physical problems at all when performing such acts. By time many will start having spontaneous astral projections where no physical "symptoms" are experienced at all prior to the seperation, as you will suddenly just awake outside your body during sleep. And, we all project every night in either case, where do you really think you are when you dream? The difference between normal dreams and astral projection is that during a dream you are not aware and conscious, while during an astral projection you maintain your awareness. Lucid dreaming is a form of astral projection where you mainly explore the dream enviornment in a conscious and aware way, and you may travel further out into a true full separation from such a lucid dream.

WalterRatlos:
Sorry for us not being able to properly communicate and understand eachother.

Feel free to try ask me more questions in as simple as possible matter.

For now I will try answer the last questions:

Regarding the verifications, it has been verified over and over again by all kinds of institutions, organizations, scientists, governments and so on. It has also been verified by private individuals, like myself, and members of secret orders and societies, and so on. If you want verification, simply verify it yourself - that is the only true verification you can ever get. If you are too lazy to do that, then it is only your own loss, and I could care less.

When it comes to hallucinations, indeed many things are attributed to such things, including alien abductions, and certain astral projection experiences, as the mind is a sensitive thing that easily misperceives certain things if it has not been trained properly to distinguish between what is real and what is not, and how different things appear in different states of mind. For unexperienced people, and even experienced, many things are not always as they seem. But, because some things may be what can be called an hallucination, does not automatically make it all hallucinations. Specifically because these things have been verified physically over and over again, and people have performed experiments together, where all involved have been able to report the same experiences independently of distance or where they have been or how much - or little - they knew of the experiment before carrying it out.

Oconnection:
The governments WORK and SERVE these spiritual entities. It is their Gods. That is, the elite, leaders of the Top of the World, controlling the Governments.

They are building underground bases to prepare for possible coming catastrophes.

-Maggador

I have no idea of reptilians, so i won't touch on them, ut I do know a thing or two about shapeshifting

I am able to change form in the astral realms-while I sleep. I've been tigers, birds, and even whales. It's wonderful, fun, and enlightening to know how those animals feel and live. Gives me an appreciation for nature that many do not get to experience. I whole heartedly believ our energy may manipulate form, ut not so much in the physical-at least not to any extreme (You won't see me changing into a cat in real life), but what many do is take advantage of their animal totem/guides. Focusing our energy on our animal helps us gain their insight and wisdom/teachings. For example the wolf teaches wisdom, family , and intuition while the horse teaches strength and power to move forward in a difficult situation. We are able to access these energies when we ask and be guided by them. In dream time when we are bit by an animal it is your totems way of 'claiming' you as their own-yours for life to guide you. It's insightful to read up on their wisdoms and what they are helping you with. Keep a dream journal as this helps us to recall our dreams better each night and as time goes on the more you're able to realize you are dreaming the better chance you may take advantage of your soul form-and shift

Just my two cents...but not all shapeshifters are evil reps :p

"People with split personality, schizophrenia, hearing voices and so on often have more than one soul within their physical host body, and at times these other souls may take temporarly control over the host body. Such things will also greatly disturb the person whom "owns" the body, and usually make him crazy and heavily medicated and put into a mental institution "

Oh dear no, let's not start to spread misinformation about an illness that already has so much stigma attached to it. These poor individuals go through enough and their families deserve the respect of having the truth heard instead of blaming something mystical or spirit. Schizophrenia is a highly genetic disease that damages the brain-a very physical and biological situation. Those who may carry the gene may never have this disease, so i do not want to scare anyone-It is usually those who are extremely stressed-environmentally poor conditions that trigger this. Psychiatrists are not evil people doing evil biddings, but they do there best to help control the disease so that the person is allowed to be themselves for a time. Unfortunately there's really no money going into research on this issue and the only homes they have-an institution gets shut down. They end up without medication and on the streets where they may cause harm to themselves.

Dissasociative disorder has a lot to do with abuse and trauma and is treated with cognitive therapies and there are people who come out from this-It's a way they hide from their traumas.

None of these mental illnesses have other worldly entities involved, our own minds are extremely complex and fragile. There is an assumption that because something is thought of as a 'mental' illness there are no physical symptoms b.c it's all in their head. Not so..I think that our medical system has a lot of flaws an dthey do over medicate, I will agree on that concept-yet there does need to be treatments for people with real physical illnesses that are freely attacking their brains a cleansing or ridding of souls is not going to cure this reality.
I believe in spirits as much as or more so than many people here, but we can't go back to using them as a cop out for our problems today. This was done in the past and we know better now. People suffering from posessions in the past were suffering from seizures...It's horrible how people were demonized.
We need to take responsibility, and if someone is interested in helping those with schizophrenia or other illnesses-consider donating to their research-That's the only way people will become aware and a cure will be found. That won't happen pointing fingers at invisible people Anyone have thoughts on this?

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