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reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 03:27 PM by Sheeper
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So because you heard some crazy random rumor about guillotines that may or may not be for some perposterous reason so we should now ignore the acurate information the Islamic terrorism lends itself to? You would have us pretend were just as bad? My mind can not be tainted in such ways by ignorant pacifism, reality is far too important to me.


reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 03:32 PM by dubiousone
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That rumor has been thoroughly debunked. The so-called "guillotines" you're referring to are industrial paper cutters. They're called "guillotines" because they use a similar action to cut paper. Google it.


reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 03:49 PM by Mr.Hyde
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Would the act of committing others to death be any different if it were bombs being dropped from thousands of feet above?

I see people buying in to the Us versus Them mind-set all the time. People who fail to review the wide scope of the issue. This is not some modern crusade. This is not some battle of ideology's. This does not boil down to who has a stronger God.

How does someone or a people effect or cause harm to an unbeatable opponent? - With drastic, unimaginable and grotesque action.

I ask the following. We as Christians have the benefit of the New Testament, if we did not, our system of beliefs call for the forceful removal of a thief's hand, an eye for an eye.A disobedient son should be stoned to death as should those that commit adultery or a non-virgin women.

Again, this is not a conflict of Ideas though. Its of corporate interest. Look at British Petroleums interest in Iran. Historic records can not be ignored or written off. Look at what happened to Sadam when he removed the dollar as his reserve currency in 2003. I can go on and on here but... I think its really unfortunate that people are so short-sighted in their views to consider this matter to be as simple as 'Islam versus Christianity" and Us versus Them.

I would also like to mention something to those that believe this conflict to be an Us verses Them senario. Have you taken a trip to the Middle East? Have, by chance, you been to Dubi (or seen it on The Amazing Race recently)? Or visited any college with foreign exchange students from the Middle East? Those of the Islamic faith are not killing Americans (or anyone not sharing in their beliefs) on sight. The people, the citizens, of the Middle East are just like us...they want to work, feed their family, enjoy soccer and watch their children grow. We as people want these same things. I don't wake up and think, 'Man, I sure would like to have Five or Six hundred Arabs blown up before breakfast'. The MSM and other fear mongers (some can even be found in our places of worship) want us to believe that Arabs want this to happen to us though...to promote their agendas and to make more money, perhaps to keep support for a very confusing war. Where are the weapons of mass destruction Sadam had? -people already forgot that was the main push for war, Powell holding a vile with some deadly yellow substance at the U.N. Sadam was said to have. Then it was Nation Building, well that never happened either. We find ourselves in Afghanistan now ... and for what?

Put yourself in the position of the people of the nations we have military presence in. If you were them, would you be happy?

In closing, I support the American people and I question the actions of our Government. As our founding fathers expressed Governments should fear their citizenry not the inverse of this. I fear the continued loss of our Rights and the imposing actions and systems of control being put in to place by our Government. Our Government seems to be staging a war on many more fronts then we know or are comfortable to accept or consider.





[edit on 1-11-2009 by Mr.Hyde]


reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 03:58 PM by jeddun
reply to post by PenandSword



ZERO proof...that statement is purely due to the paranoid rantings of conspiracy theorists..the muslim problem is real and should be regarded as dangerous.


reply posted on 1-11-2009 @ 04:05 PM by Confused and Dazed!
reply to post by Sheeper



I did say something about it! "Out of respect for those who were murdered, and for their families" I refused to watch it! How much more clear do I have to be?
Do you need a diagram? Geesh!

I saw someones brains all over the road once, the results of an automobile accident with a pedestrian. It was nasty, and gut wrenching. The lookie loo's who were running to see what happened, I stopped and warned them, they may want to stay way, after I told them what lay up ahead. Some heeded the warning, and said, they didn't care to see it. Others said; OH! Gross; and went and looked anyway, and vomited...
The woman who was killed didn't have any say in the matter.

As I wrote, there are some things, you would just as soon not remember, or be a party too...via curiosity.

Next time, direct your snotty tone at someone else...it was uncalled for!
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