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When, when will we as a species "Draw That Line?!"
Religious zeal is the same no matter what faith it is for. They may or may not have done any thing.
We may not ever know the actual or alleged crime/s, is it any different, probably not. Does that make it right, no.
It is never right, to violate another persons sanctity through force of violence.
Rapists and child abusers of all kinds excluded. In my opinion of course, those two kinds of people deserve what ever punishment the victim or victims family feels warranted.
But religious zealots of any faith who commit atrocities in the name of their faith, are wrong. It is wrong, and we as a species have endured more than enough blood shed due to religious differences.
It is BS, and every one knows it. We each, are free to beleive and practice what we will, so long, as it does not violate another. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you....
So, that means those religious Jihadists want us, to chop their heads off because they are not beleivers of our faith?
I think not, it is that kind of BS that got our race into this messed up situation to begin with.
Your god vs my god is not different than my daddy can beat up your daddy imaturity. It is time we grew up as a species, and DREW THE LINE!When, when will we as a species "Draw That Line?!"
Originally posted by EMPIRE
reply to post by Dark Ghost
Did you know his motives? Moreover were you going to benefit from his motives? You're making it seem as if America went into this business arrangement with blinders on, and clearly this was not the case.
If it is required by law to perform a questionnaire on the person then I would do it first. It would be paranoid for me to assume that every person I sold a chainsaw to were psychopathic killers that intended to gruesomely murder people. If there was a recurring pattern of people who purchased my chainsaws and ended up cutting up other people, then that is a different story.
What you are failing to acknowledge in your attempt to highlight America as the villain is that videos such as these show that it is LAW and COMMON PRACTICE for people to be punished in these countries in these ways.
It does not matter if countries under Sharia Law are receiving police batons and machetes from Russia, Iran, USA, UK or Australia. The issue is the mentality to use inhumane and backward forms of punishment upon people who live under a religious form of law.
Originally posted by Mr.Hyde
reply to post by impressme
Would the act of committing others to death be any different if it were bombs being dropped from thousands of feet above?
Originally posted by honkusbobo
No, no, no, no. A war is not what is going to defeat this sort of mindset. War reinforces the "clash of civilization" doctrine and the us vs. them mentality. The Muslims will fight back just as hard as we do. The real thing is to do nothing and Islam will burn itself out, as you will see happening in the rapidly modernizing Islamic states the world over.
We also have to consider the fact that the act or acts of crime are synonymous to us all, excluding race, nationality and religion.
Originally posted by EMPIRE
Have the guys in the vid done anything different from Christians and Jews who used the scriptures to exploit Africans?
Originally posted by ADVISOR
I did not post this thread to under go an inquisition by you, or the member previous to you.
Am I a hypocrite, yes. Who isn't?
But show me some one who does not feel rapists and child abusers/molesters deserve the worse form of punishment...
And I will show you an individual who doesn't, doesn't belong among us.
What race am I, I am of the human race. How about you?
Since you asked (and I am guessing, you meant my ethnicity) I am of mixed Lebanese and Scandinavian decent. What does it matter, truely?
Trying to label me as Christian or Islamic, Athiest or monotheistic?
Non issue, same as race it doesnt matter, we are all people.
It is that exact, EXACT type of BS divisive mentality that divides us all.
Again, this thread is being derailed. You or any one else whom wants off topic answers fromme, please by all means U2U me, if your going to cause topic drift.
But, by all means if you feel your questions merit a public address start a new thread and invite me there for your inquisition.
I how ever insist upon staying on topic.
Also, for the record I am not offended, upset or bothered by you or any fellow ATSer for questioning. But it should not cause the topic of this thread to drift to a topic about me.
I don't go to your threads, on an inquisition to question your motivation for submitting topics you feel are relevent, do I? The same is expected in return.
Thank you for careing enough, to voice your thoughts.
May we please, now continue with this or do you really want me to start multiple threads each highlighting how examples of horror exist in every culture? I mentioned it, if you are too lazy to search for the few occurances I didnt link to then fine. thats your laziness.
But I did lik to other examples, including US CIA renditions to Uzbekistan for torture, I feel that listing example has been done.
Please, read the whole thread or at least my replies which have in most already commented on what you and others presented.I love you people, but dang nabit why so difficult?:lolI know, I know, advisor makes him self into such a pretty painted target)
Would you be protesting so loud if they happened to be of any other faith?
I highly doubt you would be.
Now I know from our previous discussions that you have an agenda and hatred for the US and are planning to leave.
Whats wrong with showing some truth of how some people in certain parts of the world behave? I don't remember seeing you protest when the Footage of the young Marine was shown dying in Afghanistan.
Originally posted by EMPIRE
Now remember, the chainsaw analogy was your analogy. With that being said did America go into this blindly, not knowing what these people were capable of or were they fully aware? If they were fully aware that means there must have been a previous pattern, and if there was a previous pattern, why support them?
So? What you’re failing to acknowledge in your attempt to highlight America as the great savior, and these people as children of Satan, is the fact the videos show that it is LAW. Now STOP for a second. What is it? LAW?!?!?!? So who are YOU to dictate what THEIR laws should or shouldn’t be? If that is how they punish people so be it. If it was done in accordance to their laws and carried out appropriately under their court systems so be it.