michio kaku @ disclosure protocols / aliens / physics, page 1

discussion @ coast2coastAM.... about disclosure procedures & 'protocols'...


very interesting interview re aliens and physics......


mutliverse.......


[edit on 6-10-2009 by mcrom901]

[edit on 6-10-2009 by mcrom901]


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reply to post by gortex

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changed......

reply to post by mcrom901

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Just to let you know , if you want to post youtube vids take the last part of the URL , the bit after the equals sign and paste that into the youtube video box .www.youtube.com...
so that is this bit popt1cus12

reply to post by gortex

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thanks.... i'll see what comes out...

reply to post by mcrom901

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Woah, that stuff sounds exactly like the stuff John Titor was saying 9 years ago about the "Multiverse" and the bubbles, and we just found out this stuff 5 years ago?

How backwards we are

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This whole space telescope thingy to communicate with the aliens has me puzzled.

First of all, there are already aliens and stuff here.

Second of all, as the City University of New York sky watcher said in this interview, if aliens are using electromagnetic waves to communicate, then we're looking at the wrong frequency. And that's if we have the technical capability to pick up their signal. It could even be that the "noise" in outer space is their communication. The whole thing is dubious.

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cheers.... have you looked into the 'night vision' ufo cases.....

and dont forget about the brookings institute report......

"While face-to-face meetings with it (extraterrestrial life) will not occur within the next 20 years; artifacts left at some point in time by these life forms might possibly be discovered through our space activities on the moon, Mars, or Venus." - The Implications of a Discovery of Extraterrestrial Life, page 215

"Evidences of its existence might also be found in artifacts left on the moon or other planets. The consequences for attitudes and values are unpredictable, but would vary profoundly in different cultures and between groups within complex societies; a crucial factor would be the nature of the communication between us and the other beings. Whether or not earth would be inspired to an all-out space effort by such a discovery is moot: societies sure of their own place in the universe have disintegrated when confronted by a superior society, and others have survived even though changed. Clearly, the better we can come to understand the factors involved in responding to such crises the better prepared we may be."

web.archive.org...://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/1998/may/m01-024.shtml

web.archive.org...://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/1997/nov/m30-005.shtml

reply to post by YoungGod88

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at least he is being honest and sharing some critical information here..... which shows to an extent how the brains 'behind the scenes' do operate.....

and dont forget the part where he mentions that since billionaires are the main contributors of funds towards these so called projects..... they have more say in it than the 'partner' governments.......

reply to post by gortex

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It's not merely about people not handling the truth well. It's about the byproduct as a result of that. It is in fact a matter of national security and world security. Wars are currently fought in the name of God, can you imagine what would happen if discloseure took place? Weigh the negatives vs your wanting to know and tell me it's a good idea. For that matter, what good can come from the public knowing? Sometimes knowing is not a good thing for a mass of people. The collective negatives far outweigh the personal positive. Truth or not, it isn't worth people dying over.

Originally posted by mcrom901
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at least he is being honest and sharing some critical information here..... which shows to an extent how the brains 'behind the scenes' do operate.....

and dont forget the part where he mentions that since billionaires are the main contributors of funds towards these so called projects..... they have more say in it than the 'partner' governments.......

yeah you are right about that atleast he did mention that and i appreciate it

Originally posted by spinalremain
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It's not merely about people not handling the truth well. It's about the byproduct as a result of that. It is in fact a matter of national security and world security. Wars are currently fought in the name of God, can you imagine what would happen if discloseure took place? Weigh the negatives vs your wanting to know and tell me it's a good idea. For that matter, what good can come from the public knowing? Sometimes knowing is not a good thing for a mass of people. The collective negatives far outweigh the personal positive. Truth or not, it isn't worth people dying over.

your just assuming all that would happen

and like you said look how much people have died and killed in the name of god and is still happening

but we have no problem with that huh

maybe a disclosure would make the situation better

maybe us humans will realize how arrogant we are

you never know

Michio Kaku talks about what would happen if SETI did discover unambiguous alien communications.

Personally, I think it's moot because as I've stated before, the SETI protocol for confirmation makes discovery of alien communications impossible.

To recant; SETI first listens to very narrow band channels, thus it is unable to detect modulation or sidebands, it is only capable of detecting carriers. Most of our modern communications is moving away from simple modulated carriers into modulation schemes that spread the information out across a very broad bandwidth because these schemes make the most efficient use of bandwidth, power, and are most immune to interference.

SETI would not be able to receive any information transmitted and with our most modern communications it wouldn't register anything at all except perhaps a slight rise in background noise.

But in addition to that problem, even with huge amounts of power, with the distances involved, a signal could only be received with very high gain (dish) antennas pointed directly at each other.

Because the Earth is rotating, and orbiting a star that is orbiting in a galaxy, and the galaxy itself has motion relative to other galaxies, and because the distant transmission would likely also be on an planet that is rotating, orbiting a star, which is orbiting in a galaxy that has motion relative to our own, any chance alignment of two high gain antennas would be brief.

But SETI protocol is as follows:

1) A candidate signal is received.

2) The antenna is pointed off a few degrees to confirm that the signal is indeed from space and not terrestrial interference. If the signal goes away then the antenna is pointed back to the original location and the signal is looked for again. The beam width of the antennas is probably sufficient to allow this step to be completed.

3) Another site distant on the Earth is notified to look for the signal. This serves to eliminate sources near Earth from Earth orbiting satellites. Although a catalog of known signals is used to first eliminate signals originating from satellites, the military does not publish all of the signals it's satellites generate and therefore this process is necessary. This will necessarily take some time and there is a strong likelihood that the antennas will no longer be mutually aligned by the time it is completed.

4) Assuming by some miracle that step 3 is completed; the next thing that SETI does is wait a day and then look in the same place. By now surely any chance alignment that existed will be gone and no signal will be found.

The ONLY way that SETI will detect an alien signal is if they crash a saucer into the building or aliens are intentionally beaming a signal specifically at us and keep re-aligning their antenna to track the movement of Earth relative to their position.

Given all of these variables, I don't think SETI is ever likely to detect anything making what they do after detection entirely moot.

That said; SETI has detected some signals that appear to be extraterrestrial and not possessing characteristics of any known natural objects, but none of them were observable the next day thus none passed SETI protocol requirements.

There are many natural sources of radio waves, such as hydrogen gas MASARs (a microwave analog of a LASER), that, with a receiver only capable of listening to an extremely narrow bandwidth, would be very difficult to discerne from any artificial source.

www.eskimo.com...

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Hi mcrom901
To make matters even more impossible the candidate is reconciled from someone running seti at home which may take days before the result is sent back to seti. Then seti are not satisfied with that they have to confirm the data analysis by running it again. Not holding my breath here....

For those who haven't heard the ATS Mix shows featuring Dr Kaku, here are the links-

Dr Michio Kaku on ATS Mix Part 1

Dr Kaku on ATS Mix Part 2

Personally, I'm a huge fan of Dr Kaku's.

reply to post by yeahright

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thanks..... listening now

Originally posted by SaturnFX
I suggest this has been pack it up and stop chatting...he is a pathetic excuse of a futurist/technologist whom is about as progressive thinking as the US Mail system

looool..... i had not seen those comments.....

nicely put

also check his comments here about the real star wars project....

www.disclose.tv...

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